List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Harrison Bergeron]

All of Nank, Naismith, Ryan, Kozi, Miller, Colina and Hayes-Smith are going to line up round 1.

Will also redraft Beanie who'll start in the forward pocket...

 

[tiger_tough]

Will also redraft Beanie who'll start in the forward pocket...

And Dean Putt.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Only one minute of highlights?!?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

All of Nank, Naismith, Ryan, Kozi, Miller, Colina and Hayes-Smith are going to line up round 1.

And Angus! Lets not forget 'body like Tarzan plays like Jane' Angus!!!

 

[Harrison Bergeron]

And Dean Putt.

Only one minute of highlights?!?
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Nothing will ever top Hampson's three minute "highlights" video of 4 goals v us followed by 2 and a half minutes of uncontested marks for the Northern Bullants...

 

[barracoutta]

All of Nank, Naismith, Ryan, Kozi, Miller, Colina and Hayes-Smith are going to line up round 1.

and Balta on the wing

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Angus the Bull!!!

 

[AstuteTiger]

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Personally don’t think it’s been that bad

Not ideal but not absolutely terrible either

Even guys like Conca who some consider a “bad” pick isn’t as bad as people like to act like it was
Still managed 150 games and actually showed to be a capable midfielder when he went to Freo it was just when he was with us he was pushed out by other guys who suited the midfield mix better

The only two who I have as standout disappointments are C Ellis and RCD but if you look at the pick in itself without layers of information that simply didn’t exist at the time the reasoning behind picking them was sound

I seem to remember as a pick and Cripps went next to Carlton.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

I mean for all the whining about not drafting pure midfielders we did manage to win three flags in that time so maybe not so bad…..

We're not alone. The five most recent premiership teams have hardly drafted a decent young mid in the last 7-8 years.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

RCD likes to be where the ball isn't!

Like Cinderella at midnight

 

[Muddiemoose]

I seem to remember as a pick and Cripps went next to Carlton.

Was referring simply to our midfield recruitment hence no mention of Benny Lemmon

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Guess it depends on your definition of putrid and expectation of the player relative to the pick used to draft them with

Still early to call Dow and Sonsie

RCD and Ellis didn’t make it

Ross looks like he will be a 150 game ish player taken with pick 43

Graham 200 game plus player taken pick 53

Conca was a par relative to the pick used but not a total waste notching up over 150 sr game’s during his career

Is pretty decent and you would be hard pressed to find better drafting elsewhere

Go have a look at all the top midfielders in the comp and how many have come outside the top 10 picks in the draft
Also take note of how old they are given they didn’t just walk in as start up top tier players the day they got drafted either

That Bolton guy who we have lighting up our midfield is pretty decent but he seems to get forgotten about during these discussions for some reason

Conca was a ducking awful pick and wouldn’t have made 100 games if he wasn’t a wasted pick 6. Slow, poor decision maker and shit kick.


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[JR82]

To reply to both of you, I do sort of think we've been bad at drafting decent midfielders.

If you consider a strong midfielder a guy who can get it around 25 or more times every week, how many have we drafted in recent memory, those pure midfield types?

Aside from Cotchin who is now retired, I can't really think of one.

• Dusty yes, but he is more of a fwd/mid, he really only spent 2017 and 2018 as more of a pure midfielder getting 25-35 a week. Was also drafted a long time ago.
• Bolton, a great pick for where we got him, but like Dusty is more of a fwd/mid.
• Edwards, became a midfielder after also being a fwd/mid, and we didn't see him play a full/long career as a pure midfielder. He had a few good games there around 2015, blossomed there 2017-2020, then fell off a cliff.

• Prestia, we traded for him.
• Taranto, we traded for him.
• Hopper, we traded for him.

• Ross, not a high pick but certainly looked like one in 2019, has since then been turned into a flanker and now a winger, so no longer counts as a midfielder unless Yze aims to put him back.
• Graham, pure inside mid initially like Ross that also wasn't a top pick and also looked great early doors, that has sadly turned out kind of average and has been stuffed around with position too.

Outside of Dow (pretty crap), Sonsie (looking shaky), RCD (horrible and now gone), what other midfielders have we drafted in recent memory? Conca yes, also a very long time ago now.

As you can see, not only do we not seem to draft pure midfielders well, we very rarely seem to at ALL. It's something we need to fix.

Can we learn anything from Collingwood? Their key position stocks are a combination of OK and woeful outside of Darcy Moore, and they're nothing special at half-back, and have bang-average rucks, but they have a very good midfield combined with a very good small-forward group. Obviously the right game style too.

Based on this, and I've said it for quite a few years now, you really need to focus on your midfield, it's where games are won especially in finals. Look at the Coleman medallist... barely registered a possession across three finals yet the Blues were in it up to their necks from the start of an Elimination final right up until quarter time of a Prelim.

I digress.

Yes, Richmond needs to do better at drafting midfielders ASAP.

The problem for mine is, as you alluded to, we draft them but don't play them there & they end up as bog ave players as a result of that. I have no idea why we went back to doing that, funnily enough during our dynasty we didn't do it.

 

[Rayzorwire]

haha you do you champo. Some delicious rants in here about a nothing a player that is gone for many reasons, wasnt pushed, didnt play much, didnt do much, wasnt very good, and despite your points rating, was a very average player, even in his role.

Got ignorant fully down pat and determined to keep going for broke on rude as well, huh?

No worries, duly noted.

The major problem in discussing anything football with some of you blokes that are here virtually every day, is that you've held pretty much every possible position on every player on our list at one time or another...

Soldo was actually preferred over Nank for quite some time and performed much better than Nank against the bigger rucks in the comp.

The post you've quoted and replied to above (from Jul 2021) said "...Nank was the only good ruckmen, Soldo is fine but nothing special..."

- so on that day, you decided to 'correct' this bloke and say Soldo had performed "much better" than Nank, and was therefore clearly not our 'only good ruckman.'

And of course, that is the truth, but I guess that truth doesn't suit you right now.

Traded - Callum Coleman-Jones [Traded to North Melbourne with 42, 47 and a future 4th for Tarrant, 40 and a future 2nd]

Agree, but if the tables were turned, I wouldn't begrudge Richmond sending a player to the PSD without a favorable deal. Despite what many of my fellow supporters think, the psd is there to help the bottom clubs get us contracted players without giving up anything in return. Wouldn’t have...

www.bigfooty.com

Want some morro?

Soldo is a man mountain and his tap work and follow
Up at ground level is very good.

 

[chriso11]

Yeah it's strange. He was a contested ball winning beast as an u18, SA captain + Larke medalist yet we never really tried him there in the last few years when we were desperate for a big inside mid.

He’s behind Taranto, Martin, hopper, Prestia and Bolton, theoretically all A graders (when fit). That’s why.

 

[Rich01]

Sam Day

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Sam Day

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

looks to be delisted with the intention of being picked back up as a rookie.

Seemed pretty decent in his early years.
Not sure what his output has been over the past couple of years.

Could be a worth a late pick in the National draft by a club?

EDIT: Scratch that. I didn’t realise he was 31 years old, thought he was 24-25. Geez time goes by quickly.

 

[tiger_tough]

He’s behind Taranto, Martin, hopper, Prestia and Bolton, theoretically all A graders (when fit). That’s why.

But he wasn't getting a crack BEFORE we landed Hopper and Taranto, when Martin was 75% forward and Prestia was missing every 3rd week with injury.....

 

[tiger_tough]

Sam Day looks to be delisted with the intention of being picked back up as a rookie.

Seemed pretty decent in his early years.
Not sure what his output has been over the past couple of years.

Could be a worth a late pick in the National draft by a club?

EDIT: Scratch that. I didn’t realise he was 31 years old, thought he was 24-25. Geez time goes by quickly.

Yeah hes been there since day one. Hip is stuffed too.

 

[Morro]

Got ignorant fully down pat and determined to keep going for broke on rude as well, huh?

No worries, duly noted.

The major problem in discussing anything football with some of you blokes that are here virtually every day, is that you've held pretty much every possible position on every player on our list at one time or another...





The post you've quoted and replied to above (from Jul 2021) said "...Nank was the only good ruckmen, Soldo is fine but nothing special..."

- so on that day, you decided to 'correct' this bloke and say Soldo had performed "much better" than Nank, and was therefore clearly not our 'only good ruckman.'

And of course, that is the truth, but I guess that truth doesn't suit you right now.

Traded - Callum Coleman-Jones [Traded to North Melbourne with 42, 47 and a future 4th for Tarrant, 40 and a future 2nd]

Agree, but if the tables were turned, I wouldn't begrudge Richmond sending a player to the PSD without a favorable deal. Despite what many of my fellow supporters think, the psd is there to help the bottom clubs get us contracted players without giving up anything in return. Wouldn’t have...

www.bigfooty.com

Want some morro?

From years ago???

Pre knee?

You should find the posts abou Dean Polo from his debut

Or even better, find every post I made after Soldo did his knee where I argued black and blue that the over top expectations on him were laughable?

Context is important but you know that right

Strange poster is strange

Also a bit Rich crying over someone’s post when you yourself started the rude context with your initial comment.

Your desperation here is noted and appreciated

 

[Dr Tigris]

Got good coordination and athleticism. Nice skills. Highlight package, but a lot to work with

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We're not alone. The five most recent premiership teams have hardly drafted a decent young mid in the last 7-8 years.

Which premiers we talking about?
February
March
Sept.
Oct

 

[Rayzorwire]

From years ago???

Pre knee?

An admirable attempt at a decent squirm, but no, sorry, your post was from June 2021 (as I already said and linked to), so you said it during his post-op recovery.

Right there in black and white, you dutifully 'correcting' a poster to insist that we had two great ruckmen and that Soldo had often outplayed Nank.

Which was of course true then, and it's true today because his Melbourne game I was initially referring to was also superior to (or at the very least the absolute equal of) anything Nank did this season.

Your perpetually flexible opinions may well change, but the facts do not and have not.

 

[RJK Tiger]

AFL’s $7m call revealed; Veteran joins new-look HQ in ‘profound’ shift

AFL’s $7m call revealed; Veteran joins new-look HQ in ‘profound’ shift

www.foxsports.com.au

Good to see now that Dimma has left and gone to the Suns, the coaching Soft Cap has been raised by $250k, but also now y20% of your head coachese salary does not get included in the soft cab. Based on what Dimma was on previously this represents around a $600k increase to our previous soft cap allowance.

timing is everything, sometimes....

 

[ms3]

We’ve had some pretty terrible first round draft picks but we’ve absolutely cleaned up in the rookie drafts recently. Balances it out