List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Ctl]

Ugle-Hagan took a couple years before he started to kick on

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I’d be 100% fine with giving up a 3rd round pick or even next years Fremantle 2nd to get inside the top 20 and take Lance Collard. The kids going to be a match winner and you put him and Bolton in the same forward line and you will have two match winners.

Don't think he's much better if at all than Coulthard too give up a f2.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We'd want to be bloody sure if we're going all in on this kid. Frankly I haven't been impressed by any element of his game. Going at .5 goals a game. Bauer looks better for free.

He's tanking

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Ugle-Hagan took a couple years before he found Mia

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[Harrison Bergeron]

Ugle-Hagan took a couple years before he found Mia .

To be fair most young draftees do...

 

[GhostofJimJess]

He ain’t gonna sign a long term deal and then the club release him 12m later , just doesn’t happen like that , Grundy aside

Well if BKing happens to sign a long termer on a high salary Bo, which is the only way it can go barring a less likely neat little one taking him up to FA, then something else of high quality will inevitably be squeezed out.

It'll be GWS all over again.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

First year… takes time

If you watched a few of his VFL games you’d think different I promise you
He’s a gun

Just watched his 8 goal game late in the season, not bad. I'd like to see more strong marking and less crumbing goals before we blow our load on him though. Is massive for 19 and pretty athletic, will only get better.

 

[Pomsta]

Guess it depends on your definition of putrid and expectation of the player relative to the pick used to draft them with

Still early to call Dow and Sonsie

RCD and Ellis didn’t make it

Ross looks like he will be a 150 game ish player taken with pick 43

Graham 200 game plus player taken pick 53

Conca was a par relative to the pick used but not a total waste notching up over 150 sr game’s during his career

Is pretty decent and you would be hard pressed to find better drafting elsewhere

Go have a look at all the top midfielders in the comp and how many have come outside the top 10 picks in the draft
Also take note of how old they are given they didn’t just walk in as start up top tier players the day they got drafted either

That Bolton guy who we have lighting up our midfield is pretty decent but he seems to get forgotten about during these discussions for some reason

Let's look at where we are going to pick up all these guns.

Since 2013 we have only missed finals a couple times. For a finalist this means that we would get a pick anywhere between 12-22 (depending on father sons and matched bids). Since 2013 I would say that the best 5 mids picked would be:

Cripps in 2013
Will Day in 2019 (although he started in the backline)
Max Holmes in 2020
Hobbs in 2021

5 depends on if we count Gresham and Higgins as midfielders

The only time we had high picks because we missed finals we traded for Prestia and took Gibcus. Where are all the gun midfielders coming from? You could argue we should have traded up but to where? With our picks we could have gone up to 14 or 15 maybe but we still wouldn't have got gun mids.

 

[Karp3_dm]

Just watched his 8 goal game late in the season, not bad. I'd like to see more strong marking and less crumbing goals before we blow our load on him though. Is massive for 19 and pretty athletic, will only get better.

Yeah hope he has a poor year so we get him cheap then he turns into a jet for us

Smart plan

 

[tigerfan1961]

Yeah hope he has a poor year so we get him cheap then he turns into a jet for us

Smart plan

Absolutely laughable that some think we will get Cadman. ZERO chance

 

[Bojangles17]

Absolutely laughable that some think we will get Cadman. ZERO chance

I wouldn’t say zero , I reckon they have youngsters spill every odd year at gws who want to bail , they’re due

 

[fargothegreat]

Absolutely laughable that some think we will get Cadman. ZERO chance

If he's not signed before the start of next season he's as good as gone.

 

[tigerfan1961]

If he's not signed before the start of next season he's as good as gone.

I hope I’m wrong but I’ll be seriously stunned if he either leaves the Giants or we have the capital to get him if he does want to leave

 

[_RT_]

Absolutely laughable that some think we will get Cadman. ZERO chance

Never say never. We will need to work hard to get it done, but it's worth remembering that Blair rarely misses once he locks in on a target.

 

[tiger_tough]

I hope I’m wrong but I’ll be seriously stunned if he either leaves the Giants or we have the capital to get him if he does want to leave

We'd have 2 x 1st rounders and 2 x 2nd rounders. We'd be able to get a deal done.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We'd have 2 x 1st rounders and 2 x 2nd rounders. We'd be able to get a deal done.

We may have at least one more 1st.
Eagles very keen on Baker.
And who knows with Dusty.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Soldo has played some good football, no doubt,

Except a few posts back, when it suited you to say he was a "nothing footballer" who "didn't do much" and "wasn't very good."

but not enough good football to be labelled a good footballer today.

Right...so he was "good" once upon a time (when it suited your argument that day), but now, despite the fact he just got an elite game rating against the competition's #1 ruck two months ago, is prime age and finally has his body better than ever before, he is most definitely 'not a good footballer.'

Are you gonna stop digging that hole any time soon?

Your desperation to hang onto some points based system to justify an embarrassing opinion that he is better than Nank or, wait for it, ELITE hahahahahhaha is what it is, embarrassing.

Resorting to making shit up, huh? Fair enough, can't say I blame you at this point!

Haven't written anywhere that Soldo is an 'elite' ruckman right now, I said his recent elite game ratings demonstrate strong signs that's where he's headed in years to come - right in line with his pre-injury football plus natural improvement.

Also haven't said he's 'better' than Nank; I've said we needed both of them, that both of them should have played a lot of games together next year, but also that Soldo deserved every chance in a transition year to prove he was better as a #1, centre square ruckman.

Instead, we gave a top-4 midfield a bloke who can rack up 15+ hit-outs to advantage against top opposition, to replace their nothing rucks, because that was the smart thing to do for our chances of winning a flag.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Except a few posts back, when it suited you to say he was a "nothing footballer" who "didn't do much" and "wasn't very good."





Right...so he was "good" once upon a time (when it suited your argument that day), but now, despite the fact he just got an elite game rating against the competition's #1 ruck two months ago, is prime age and finally has his body better than ever before, he is most definitely 'not a good footballer.'

Are you gonna stop digging that hole any time soon?





Resorting to making s**t up, huh? Fair enough, can't say I blame you at this point!

Haven't written anywhere that Soldo is an 'elite' ruckman right now, I said his recent elite game ratings demonstrate strong signs that's where he's headed in years to come - right in line with his pre-injury football plus natural improvement.

Also haven't said he's 'better' than Nank; I've said we needed both of them, that both of them should have played a lot of games together next year, but also that Soldo deserved every chance in a transition year to prove he was better as a #1, centre square ruckman.

Instead, we gave a top-4 midfield a bloke who can rack up 15+ hit-outs to advantage against top opposition, to replace their nothing rucks, because that was the smart thing to do for our chances of winning a flag.

Let’s not forget, it was Soldo who wanted to go. The club were more than happy to keep him but he and his management insisted that a trade was done. Therefore we got the best deal we could as there was little sense in enforcing his contract.

 

[tigerdan]

Absolutely laughable that some think we will get Cadman. ZERO chance

Its cadman we're talking about, not green!

 

[Tigerturbulance]

Its cadman we're talking about, not green!

 

[Morro]

Except a few posts back, when it suited you to say he was a "nothing footballer" who "didn't do much" and "wasn't very good."





Right...so he was "good" once upon a time (when it suited your argument that day), but now, despite the fact he just got an elite game rating against the competition's #1 ruck two months ago, is prime age and finally has his body better than ever before, he is most definitely 'not a good footballer.'

Are you gonna stop digging that hole any time soon?





Resorting to making s**t up, huh? Fair enough, can't say I blame you at this point!

Haven't written anywhere that Soldo is an 'elite' ruckman right now, I said his recent elite game ratings demonstrate strong signs that's where he's headed in years to come - right in line with his pre-injury football plus natural improvement.

Also haven't said he's 'better' than Nank; I've said we needed both of them, that both of them should have played a lot of games together next year, but also that Soldo deserved every chance in a transition year to prove he was better as a #1, centre square ruckman.

Instead, we gave a top-4 midfield a bloke who can rack up 15+ hit-outs to advantage against top opposition, to replace their nothing rucks, because that was the smart thing to do for our chances of winning a flag.

FFS you are a strange unit, constantly picking and or choosing 3 year old posts without context and or current posts but only bits and pieces.

There is a reason you have little to no support in any of your arguments thus far, and that reason, is you

 

[Rayzorwire]

Let’s not forget, it was Soldo who wanted to go. The club were more than happy to keep him but he and his management insisted that a trade was done. Therefore we got the best deal we could as there was little sense in enforcing his contract.

There was little point enforcing it if we weren't intending to let him compete for the #1 ruck role in a genuine way like any other player on the list.

If we were intending to do the right thing along those lines, then he may well have willingly stayed with the club and blokes he loves - there would be no need to hold him to his contract.

 

[Rayzorwire]

FFS you are a strange unit, constantly picking and or choosing 3 year old posts without context and or current posts but only bits and pieces.

You went out of your way to quote and mock my opinion.

I've exclusively used your own words and there's really nothing which can be taken out of context when you're simply measuring a player's worth.

As far as I'm concerned, I have every right to spend half a minute in the archives finding and quoting what I already knew - that when it was fashionable on the board to pump up Soldo's tyres, you were an enthusiastic tyre pumper.

You even spent time 'correcting' others as to his high proven value as a player if they posted to the contrary.

Sorry if you don't like being reminded of these embarrassing episodes of blatant, easily proven hypocrisy now it's convenient for you to insist that he's practically worthless and always has been, but you really did bring it on yourself, from my perspective.

Congratulations on stopping digging.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

There was little point enforcing it if we weren't intending to let him compete for the #1 ruck role in a genuine way like any other player on the list.

If we were intending to do the right thing along those lines, then he may well have willingly stayed with the club and blokes he loves - there would be no need to hold him to his contract.

The bottom line is Soldo got an offer to good to refuse and asked to leave. He obviously thought that was a better option for him as opposed to replacing Nank as the number one option here. They are the facts the rest is just guess work.

 

[Rayzorwire]

The bottom line is Soldo got an offer to good to refuse and asked to leave. He obviously thought that was a better option for him as opposed to replacing Nank as the number one option here. They are the facts the rest is just guess work.

Well, no, the bottom line is the exact details of why he sought a trade in the first place.

I don't think we can regard it as a fact that he was ever going to be given an opportunity to replace Nank or shift him to the #2 slot - for now at least, that also falls into the realm of speculation.

We may well find out from the horses' mouth when he does his first 'trade steal of the year' ala Tom Hickey interview in late March/early April.