List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[noobermensch]

Trainor picked a bad moment to have by far his worst game of the season. Strangely enough he started pretty well when conditions were at their worst, but as the game progressed he appeared to increasingly struggle with the wet conditions, and made a series of mistakes that seemed to shake his confidence. He appeared to deal poorly with the higher level of pressure applied by his opponents at times, which will be something to watch going forward.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Split the first. Every chance Lalor and Hotton are better than Draper and Smith in the end, might as well split and cover additional needs too

Yeah, I'm in the split it camp but for Murphy Reid and Travaglia. *Subject to change multiple times prior to draft.

 

[noobermensch]

Does Zak play midfield though?
The other week when he lined up against the Pioneers he played 100% of the game off the half back flank and didn't spend any time in the midfield.
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TBH, as a HBF he may put up good numbers but he is far less dynamic an option than Travaglia has proven to be who is a much better mark, better defensively, faster and has demonstrated aptitude in the midfield. Both seem to be exceptional endurance players though Travaglia continues to play at his top line breaking level deep into the fourth. It will be interesting to compare their Combine results at the end of the year.
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He played wing and HFF all last season as a bottom-ager.

He started this season splitting his time between onball and forward, but more on ball. The move into defense is a recent thing a few weeks ago, and I haven't had a chance to really study closely what style of game he's playing back there. He's a decently sized boy and excellent overhead so I can see it from that perspective. He's also super classy with the footy, can hit targets over any range.

I imagine he's a very different type of defender to Tobie. You'd want one of each ideally.

 

[Keys]

So Ralph has just said he’s spoken to the Yeo camp and he wants 2 years @750k with a games trigger for a 3rd year @500k.

F**k me if that accurate and we’re holding out for less than that then get ROB back from Essendon. That contract is an absolutely reasonable request from Yeo.

YEO TALK COOLS

Despite reports earlier in the week suggesting Elliot Yeo had been tabled a large offer by North Melbourne, Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph told Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle that no conversations between the Roos and Yeo camps have been held as of yet.

“North Melbourne list boss Brady Rawlings has not had one conversation with Yeo’s camp about him moving there,” Ralph said.

“Maybe things might develop in the long-term future, but he’s got massive interest, the three-year deals that are coming from the clubs like Adelaide and maybe St Kilda as well.”

Ralph then gave some insight into the numbers surrounding a possible deal for the reborn Eagle.

“Here’s the deal that would likely get it done. 750k a year for the next two years at West Coast and then a trigger for a third year on games at about 500k, right now West Coast continues to hold out, their deal is not of that scope.

“He wants to stay, his partner’s pregnant, there are family illnesses, and he would love to stay in Perth.

“If West Coast was not to get to that deal and they were to lose him to a desperate club with a free agency war chest, I just think that would be so negligent by them, he wants to stay, get this deal done.”

Yeo’s career resurgence in 2024 has been huge for Adam Simpson’s side.

The 2018 premiership Eagle has managed to get fit, averaging 23.1 disposals, 6.4 tackles and 7.6 clearances a game this year.

So North are denying talking to Yeo which is a fairly direct contradiction of the Caro report

As you’ve posted, if the deal suggested by Ralph ($750k per year for 2 years with triggers for a third at $500k) is accurate that seems more than reasonable. I don’t understand why that would be an issue for the club

If we were to lose a required player that wants to stay because the club won’t agree to a perfectly reasonable request then that would be disappointing

There’s a valid argument that the club hasn’t been as ruthless on contracts as it could have been in the past but this looks like an over correction

The qualifier to the above is that it’s Jon Ralph so the validity of what he’s said is 50/50 at best

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I have no idea.

Does Warner want to leave?

If he wants to leave, Sydney are going to ask the world for him.


I’m actually conflicted in this situation.

You need a healthy Yeo to keep you competitive and keep the hope going for supporters and your young kids.

But Warner helps you longer term.

Why not both?

We dont need to trade of Yeo to bring Warner. Cash is king, and we will be throwing plenty at him (Warner). I am still of the view Warner has a target on his back next as opposed this year.

This gives us more leverage and would be the strategic choice but we will see. I only see three scenarios and not getting into specifics with Busslinger, Baker .etc

Scenario 1
2024 -
In: Pick 3 and Pick 4 (FOS and Draper)
Out: Yeo
2025 -
Out: R1 and R2, Sydney and Warner

Scenario 1A
2024 -
In: Pick 3 (e.g FOS)
Out: Yeo, Pick 4 trade
2025 -
Out: R1 and R2, Sydney and Warner
In: F1 (Pick 4 trade from previous year)

Scenario 2
2024 -
In: Pick 3 (e.g FOS)
2025 -
Out: R1 and R2, Sydney and Warner

Scenario 3
2024 -
In: Pick 3 (e.g FOS)
2025 -
In: R1, R2, R3

Separately if the trade rumours are true and Yeo wants out I would think its better to get more kids in now, although I dont see Yeo leaving.

 

[briztoon]

It is becoming more obvious you and Jack are good mates

Pretty quick retraction

“I call bs on Caro”

Now

“Caro sounds like bs”

One is calling out Caro
The other is adding doubt

Leaving that alone, because you're just nit picking on a nothing comment.

On Robo and Tunstill. You posted that they are likely out come end 2024. Will they be delisted or traded? If traded, what would you say each are worth? If undecided, I can always drop Caro a line to see her input.

I didn't say they are likely out. Said quite a few on our board hope they find a spot on a list elsewhere, because we have a serious list squeeze coming up, and they're good kids/people. They're contracted, so they're not being delisted. Already said I'd be happy for a token pick for both, e.g. a token pick upgrade, trade pick 63 for 59.

 

[briztoon]

From briztoon on the Lions board re Busslinger. Where on earth are you hearing about his intentions?

This thread, no idea how many days ago now. What's this got to do with anything?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

So North are denying talking to Yeo which is a fairly direct contradiction of the Caro report

As you’ve posted, if the deal suggested by Ralph ($750k per year for 2 years with triggers for a third at $500k) is accurate that seems more than reasonable. I don’t understand why that would be an issue for the club

If we were to lose a required player that wants to stay because the club won’t agree to a perfectly reasonable request then that would be disappointing

There’s a valid argument that the club hasn’t been as ruthless on contracts as it could have been in the past but this looks like an over correction

The qualifier to the above is that it’s Jon Ralph so the validity of what he’s said is 50/50 at best

Anyone know what we're offering?

Seems like its be closer to 500k per year for 2 years, if his manager is leaking to the press, pressuring Eagles to come up?

Otherwise why haggle with a champion of your club get it done and build triggers into the 3rd year e.g 18 games...

 

[ghostbat12]

So Ralph has just said he’s spoken to the Yeo camp and he wants 2 years @750k with a games trigger for a 3rd year @500k.

F**k me if that accurate and we’re holding out for less than that then get ROB back from Essendon. That contract is an absolutely reasonable request from Yeo.

Ralph said this?

It means he will re-sign within a few weeks.

 

[briztoon]

So North are denying talking to Yeo which is a fairly direct contradiction of the Caro report

As you’ve posted, if the deal suggested by Ralph ($750k per year for 2 years with triggers for a third at $500k) is accurate that seems more than reasonable. I don’t understand why that would be an issue for the club

If we were to lose a required player that wants to stay because the club won’t agree to a perfectly reasonable request then that would be disappointing

There’s a valid argument that the club hasn’t been as ruthless on contracts as it could have been in the past but this looks like an over correction

The qualifier to the above is that it’s Jon Ralph so the validity of what he’s said is 50/50 at best

So AsterixTheGaul who to believe hey? Caro or Ralph?

b.s. is b.s. anyway you (or I) want to frame it.

 

[ronpingwins]

This thread, no idea how many days ago now. What's this got to do with anything?

I hadn’t read anything linking Busslinger to Freo, was wondering where you’d heard it as it was the first mention of it. Was it definitely this thread?

It’s a West Coast draft and trade thread so it’s fairly relevant.

 

[triplegee]

I hadn’t read anything linking Busslinger to Freo, was wondering where you’d heard it as it was the first mention of it. Was it definitely this thread?

It’s a West Coast draft and trade thread so it’s fairly relevant.

May be mixing Busslinger up with the Warner preferring Freo talk earlier in this thread....

 

[briztoon]

I hadn’t read anything linking Busslinger to Freo, was wondering where you’d heard it as it was the first mention of it. Was it definitely this thread?

It’s a West Coast draft and trade thread so it’s fairly relevant.

It'd be somewhere in this thread most likely. Haven't been on the Freo board for years. It could have been pure speculative conversations, someone talking about draft capital, where the different WA kids end up, etc. I skim read a lot of the conversations here, lots of stuff I don't engage in.

 

[briztoon]

May be mixing Busslinger up with the Warner preferring Freo talk earlier in this thread....

Fair chance. Though that didn't stick in my mind. I'm still to read/hear an actual reporter linking Warner wanting out as a rumour.

 

[briztoon]

Why not both?

We dont need to trade of Yeo to bring Warner. Cash is king, and we will be throwing plenty at him (Warner). I am still of the view Warner has a target on his back next as opposed this year.

This gives us more leverage and would be the strategic choice but we will see. I only see three scenarios and not getting into specifics with Busslinger, Baker .etc

Scenario 1
2024 -
In: Pick 3 and Pick 4 (FOS and Draper)
Out: Yeo
2025 -
Out: R1 and R2, Sydney and Warner

Scenario 1A
2024 -
In: Pick 3 (e.g FOS)
Out: Yeo, Pick 4 trade
2025 -
Out: R1 and R2, Sydney and Warner
In: F1 (Pick 4 trade from previous year)

Scenario 2
2024 -
In: Pick 3 (e.g FOS)
2025 -
Out: R1 and R2, Sydney and Warner

Scenario 3
2024 -
In: Pick 3 (e.g FOS)
2025 -
In: R1, R2, R3

Separately if the trade rumours are true and Yeo wants out I would think its better to get more kids in now, although I dont see Yeo leaving.

I have no idea what Sydney would ask for Warner. The only top tier mids that I can remember being traded somewhat recently, are Kelly and Neale, and Warner is younger than those two, to make his trade value somewhat higher. If you could turn your 2024 and 2025 first round picks in to Warner and Busslinger, and keep all your other picks, I'd almost call that a win.

Or turn both picks in to Warner and Travaglia, I'd almost call that a win as well.

But, until there's media reporting Warner (or Busslinger) want out, I don't get too caught up most of the discussions here. There's a bit more smoke around Baker, but he's not a player I think does much for you.


The Yeo talk I'm interested in, mainly because it's in the media, but my personal opinion of the Adelaide and North talk is that the money and years being mentioned are ridiculous, and has all the hallmarks of Dan Hannebery to St Kilda. You'd have to take the lead of WCE_phil about what it would take to trigger band 1 or 2 compensation, as he has actual experience working on real deals, and knows where the AFL is headed in regards to tightening compensation and current requirements.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Sign yeo for what he wants - we need some quality talent around our kids

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So AsterixTheGaul who to believe hey? Caro or Ralph?

b.s. is b.s. anyway you (or I) want to frame it.

Certainly not believing you. I have no insights in this one as my Vic contact is not linked in on the deals in question.

Let’s face facts, I am not the one putting posts out there claiming to be informed on all matters list, trade and draft. That mantle would belong to the Prince of Brisvegas.

BTW - when are you scheduled as a guest on Gettable?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

We have no players worth anything of trade value......that I would want to let go. So unless we trade Barrass or Allen, we are left with only one avenue to draft picks..... future trading.

If the word on the street is right, trading away 2-3 yrs ahead will be implemented. For example.....This is where we could trade our 2026 F1st for ports 1st this year. Currently pick 14.

Leaves us with
2024
Pick 3 14 21 56

2025
1st 2nd 3rd 4th

2026
2nd 3rd 4th


Pick 3 FO or sid draper
Pick 14 Travaglia
Pick 21 busslinger
Pick 56
2025 F2nd Baker

Still leaves us with 2025 F1 for Warner if the pipe dream is real.





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And what exactly are our 2nd and 3rd year, 1st rounders worth?

The further the years, the less they are worth due to increased unpredicbilty.

We saw last year what our 1st year was worth. No takers.

It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

This year's draft will be critical for our future.
Last year was a no brainer with Reid.
We need to find the best possible mid in the 1st round to team up with Reid, Hewett & Ginbey for the next 10+ years.

 

[briztoon]

Certainly not believing you. I have no insights in this one as my Vic contact is not linked in on the deals in question.

Let’s face facts, I am not the one putting posts out there claiming to be informed on all matters list, trade and draft. That mantle would belong to the Prince of Brisvegas.

BTW - when are you scheduled as a guest on Gettable?

Everything is just my opinion, that’s pretty clear. Never claimed to have any contacts anywhere.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I don't get too caught up most of the discussions here.

 

[eaglevision]

Really a nothing article but a rare bit of media on Busslinger from the HUN:

 

[pantskyle]

So North are denying talking to Yeo which is a fairly direct contradiction of the Caro report

As you’ve posted, if the deal suggested by Ralph ($750k per year for 2 years with triggers for a third at $500k) is accurate that seems more than reasonable. I don’t understand why that would be an issue for the club

If we were to lose a required player that wants to stay because the club won’t agree to a perfectly reasonable request then that would be disappointing

There’s a valid argument that the club hasn’t been as ruthless on contracts as it could have been in the past but this looks like an over correction

The qualifier to the above is that it’s Jon Ralph so the validity of what he’s said is 50/50 at best

Add Ralphys 50/50 to my 100 and lock it in as fact.

 

[Obeanie1]

If you had to draft with pick two tomorrow and had the option of Finn O’Sullivan or splitting and taking Lalor and Travaglia which option are you taking?

Whats more pressing?

Improving the midfield or shoring up our half back line?

Id be focusing on the midfield.

Can get a Busslinger for a 2nd.

And half backs also slide to the 2nd round.

With Kelly and Reid out the midfield looked pretty slow and thin, we were spanked at contested and clearances.

 

[Obeanie1]

Pls stop trying to sell Dev off to us lol.

Lions will be paying us to take him to free up a list spot for another one of the dozens of gun academy kids.

Briz does enjoy rubbing our noses in the northern academy rortes........ again.

After last week I actually dont get why people are anti improving our midfield depth. Especially on the cheap and looks like defensive mids are back in vogue.