Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 13 - Another Crack At This

[Capital Power]

That's cool and all but some of us might be dead before Kens stench has left this club.

Yep. I understand the third veterans badge marks the final curtain

 

[Donuts_]

You keep on making posts like this and you’ll ruin your whole reputation as shitposter-in-chief!!!


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We might have to jump on the PAFC66 bandwagon instead

 

[Andre]

It's not even that they don't have the balls to sack him (which they clearly don't). It that Koch genuinely this he's doing a good job and they the club has been successful in recent years, to Koch close enough is good enough and if we keep doing the same this it might somehow change next year.

Zero desire to make change and hunt a flag.

Koch's inability to see that a flag would help our finances greatly (with him meant to be a financial guru) is the reason I despise him the most. Sponsorships, increased member numbers, better timeslots (leading to more of the first two), increased merchandise sales. All these have gone begging because we've stayed with Hinkley. Take the most basic of metrics for any club - Membership numbers. The reality is in 2024 Port were 10th of 18 clubs. In 2014 the club was 7th of 18. The club could have been debt free years ago.

Koch obviously sees no issue with Hinkley, but his ego thinks he's done a great job off-field. Our drop in membership numbers (and I'm sure similarly the percentage of the total sponsorship dollars across the AFL the last decade) should be the things raised at the AGM to him AND THEN tie that back to how Hinkley still in the job is responsible for a large part of the drop off, all enabled by his financial mismanagement by retaining him.

 

[Andre]

I had more optimism in 2011.

I had more belief in the future of the club walking out of the Melbourne game at AO in 2011, then I have had any time in the last 7 years.

 

[Papa G]

Every player on our list who wasn't traded in besides Travis Boak has never played under another coach. Most who were traded in have played their best football under Hinkley, as has Boak.

You can't just assume these players would've become what they are through talent alone. You only need to look at a club like North to see that. And I'm not just talking about the three mids. Guys like Farrell, Houston, Bergman, Georgiades and others have flourished as players in recent years. Now that's not all Hinkley but it's not none of his doing. There's a reason the players like him and the Geelong players liked him. He makes them feel good about themselves and probably speaks the language of your average dumb young footballer.

None of this makes him a good senior coach. He reached his level as an assistant and that's where he should've stayed. But to deny that he has any strengths undermines the credibility of this thread.

Georgiadis and Bergman are both first round picks. They are good regardless. Houston and Farrell were both born with elite kicking skills. None of that has anything to do with Hinkley's coaching or development.

 

[western royboy]

Congrats…not sure if that’s the right word (commiserations) but i was convinced by someone with reasonable connections that he would have been gone if the Dogs had beaten you at home and the 12th volume would have been it. My apologies for any role i played in inflicting Kenny on you. I only had him for three years and at the end of it my club folded . Good Luck with it.

 

[Addy23]

You lot that are taking it out on Chewy must seriously have loose wires in your head. He never said Ken was gone to start with.

His sources also are right, the decision to sack Ken hasn't happened in a formal way yet but there's a general expectation/understanding that they would let him see out his contract because in their eyes he's a great coach (not my words so don't come at me). So there's no urgency to make that decision formal. Maybe it plays out differently once everyone's in a room and people start to realise how much opposition now there is against Ken. But very unlikely from here on, and this is my opinion, that Ken gets the sack.

There's resistance at board level now, just not enough atm to sack Ken. This time next year when he fails, the resistance will increase and an extension won't be given unless he miraculously wins the flag.

So stop taking it out on Chewy and go live your lives. He doesn't control the club. Just be grateful for his insights and honestly, if you don't trust him then cry elsewhere.

Chewy316 hope you're on the mend mate. Health is paramount so focus on your recovery and getting out of hospital!

 

[Us against the rest]

Yeah there is ... it would break Butters' heart.

This is creepy shit from grown men.

In love Out of love Back in love

 

[TeeKray]

As Chewy has said, no decision has been made and discussions are ongoing. That may or may not result in Hinkley being removed as coach.

Everyone needs to take a step or ten back from the ledge. It either will or won't happen and you have no control over it. If you voted for Tredrea at the board election then you have a voice in the room. In the meantime just enjoy life rather than obsessing over some hillbilly.

 

[PowerLil]

You lot that are taking it out on Chewy must seriously have loose wires in your head. He never said Ken was gone to start with.

His sources also are right, the decision to sack Ken hasn't happened in a formal way yet but there's a general expectation/understanding that they would let him see out his contract because in their eyes he's a great coach (not my words so don't come at me). So there's no urgency to make that decision formal. Maybe it plays out differently once everyone's in a room and people start to realise how much opposition now there is against Ken. But very unlikely from here on, and this is my opinion, that Ken gets the sack.

There's resistance at board level now, just not enough atm to sack Ken. This time next year when he fails, the resistance will increase and an extension won't be given unless he miraculously wins the flag.

So stop taking it out on Chewy and go live your lives. He doesn't control the club. Just be grateful for his insights and honestly, if you don't trust him then cry elsewhere.

Chewy316 hope you're on the mend mate. Health is paramount so focus on your recovery and getting out of hospital!

Thank you for posting what you know. I don't mean to sound ungrateful but it's born from sheer frustration, anger and disappointment. The only problem with your post above is "this time next year, if he fails". He's failed for 12 years and here we are yet again.

 

[bomberclifford]

He never said it was a done deal.

He actually did.

According to him, if we lost the next game after the Brisbane booing game, it was done.

Then we beat the Saints and it eventually became a 50/50m proposition. Basically a guess.

 

[Kenny_Powers]

After the embarrassment of the BnF, I just can't see him not getting another extension in 25.....the only way it won't happen is if we tumble down the ladder, but I can't see that happening with our talented list and his steady as she goes game-plan.

25 will be a repeat of 23, the players will profess their love for him multiple times throughout the year, the media will turn up the pressure on the situation, but his old guard in Cornes/Caro/Russel/Whateley will frame it as unfair to make him coach under the conditions, that he's in the middle of developing a young list, has done very well and deserves to see it through for another 2-3.

Almost guarantee at some point Kane will be asked the question and his response will be something like "yeah....I would, I'd give him a couple more, he's still got the players, he's coaching very well, why upset the apple cart?"

Koch will lead the charge, likely go rogue from the boards direction in a few interviews, and make it near impossible not to give him one.

Onwards to 2027.


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[bomberclifford]

Don't know that there is wide spread anger so much at Chewy for bad news.

I don't think there is, is there?

Who is angry at Chewy? I'm not angry at him, I'm just sceptical of the veracity of the info he's been fed.

Surely it's ok for us to question the info he's put forward given what's happened in the past few days.

 

[El_Scorcho]

As Chewy has said, no decision has been made and discussions are ongoing. That may or may not result in Hinkley being removed as coach.

Everyone needs to take a step or ten back from the ledge. It either will or won't happen and you have no control over it. If you voted for Tredrea at the board election then you have a voice in the room. In the meantime just enjoy life rather than obsessing over some hillbilly.

I disagree that we have no control over it, we've just not gotten properly organised to exercise that control aside from voting in Tredrea.

A lot of that is because of the gaslighting. If we'd been told in the aftermath of the 2021 prelim that he'd get at least another 4 seasons, we'd have protested. Our fault has been assuming he'll be sacked if his results dictate that he should be.

 

[wayb2912]

How confident do our players feel when their coach continually bangs on about how hard premierships are to win. Ken has made them believe it

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[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

Thank you for posting what you know. I don't mean to sound ungrateful but it's born from sheer frustration, anger and disappointment. The only problem with your post above is "this time next year, if he fails". He's failed for 12 years and here we are yet again.

A decision hasn't been made yet. A lot of people in here have jumped to their own conclusions without any solid facts. The undisputed fact is that Chewy316 knows more info on here about the club than anyone of us, but in saying that, and as I’ve mentioned in an earlier post, we must fight as one; we’ve lost the battles, but we can’t and won’t lose the war with the hierarchy.

 

[Portwon]

I don't think there is, is there?

Who is angry at Chewy? I'm not angry at him, I'm just sceptical of the veracity of the info he's been fed.

Surely it's ok for us to question the info he's put forward given what's happened in the past few days.

Agree with that 100% bomber.

Exactly what my post was trying to say

 

[Del165198]

We’ve truly become a better version of the Saints: just a team who’s in no man’s land, won’t get better, won’t get worse, just happy to be here, and no real change will be made any time soon.

Teams like the Eagles and Tigers are bottom 4 now, but you know they are building properly and actually have a path to success.

We're the one step up version of Essendon.

Or the Temu version of Sydney

 

[King_Tredrea]

I disagree that we have no control over it, we've just not gotten properly organised to exercise that control aside from voting in Tredrea.

A lot of that is because of the gaslighting. If we'd been told in the aftermath of the 2021 prelim that he'd get at least another 4 seasons, we'd have protested. Our fault has been assuming he'll be sacked if his results dictate that he should be.

Lol yeah. We are in a perpetual state of believing his departure must be right around the corner.

 

[Scodges]

I had more belief in the future of the club walking out of the Melbourne game at AO in 2011, then I have had any time in the last 7 years.

Yeah same, was an awesome feeling of a sleeping giant had been awoken. Then Kock happened.


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[Addy23]

Thank you for posting what you know. I don't mean to sound ungrateful but it's born from sheer frustration, anger and disappointment. The only problem with your post above is "this time next year, if he fails". He's failed for 12 years and here we are yet again.

The biggest difference between last 12 years and his 13th year is that he's going in a contract extension with resistance at board level. Now I don't have sources to confirm that he had no resistance in all of the 12 years, but I know there hasn't been any resistance for the last 4 years.

That in itself is a huge obstacle for Ken and Koch to go past. It's not as easy as it used to be

 

[bomberclifford]

Agree with that 100% bomber.

Exactly what my post was trying to say

Sorry, I misread your post at first but can see now we're in agreement.

 

[Rendaw]

Choosing not to decide is still a choice

 

[Port 2004]

Just to clear the air about people having a pot shot at Chewy316. He never said it was a done deal. To my understanding, he said there are people high within the hierarchy that want Hinkley gone.

Even though you think it’s a break-even moment, at best, they’ll ram so many “I told you so’s” down our throats than you can poke a stick at. Add to that, the smugness coming out of their collective behinds will be enough to change the polarity of the magnetic poles.

I have no issues with Chewy316 in fact really look forward to reading his posts. Certainly not his fault that the old bald bastard hasn’t been sacked yet.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The biggest difference between last 12 years and his 13th year is that he's going in a contract extension with resistance at board level. Now I don't have sources to confirm that he had no resistance in all of the 12 years, but I know there hasn't been any resistance for the last 4 years.

That in itself is a huge obstacle for Ken and Koch to go past. It's not as easy as it used to be

That won't be enough by itself, these people are shameless. They're a 4 game winning streak away from extending him again to keep the best friends club together for 2 more seasons.

We need to make it wildly uncomfortable for them. We need to break through the expectation of decorum and start actively protesting at games. We need to take some inspiration from Arsenal's Wenger Out campaign, starting with the AGM.