List Mgmt. “It’s a form of tanking” the Richmond rebuild
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The Goon
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Not downplaying his contribution at all. Just saying that of the many, many talent holes we have to fill to be a premiership team, key defender is not one of them.
You had 4 elite defenders in rance vlastuin grimes and houli. Atm I would say your defensive stocks are far from it
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I thought I would have a look at how teams have faired playing kids. (Debuts) Year.
The debuts are draft picks not trades.
(87) 2020 (94) 2021, (84) 2022, (70) 2023 (76) 2024
2020: Adelaide 9 debuts and the spoon. Sydney and GCS next with 7 debuts each finished bottom 5.
2021: Adelaide 9 debuts. Pies 9 debuts. Hawthorn 7 debuts. All bottom 5. North won the spoon with 2 debuts that year.
2022: West Coast 10 debuts second last. Hawthorn next with 8 and Essendon 7. Hawks 13th Essendon bottom 5.
2023: Hawthorn 7 , Richmond 6 both bottom 5 and West Coast 6 plus the spoon. Collingwood win flag see 2021.
2024: Pies, Richmond won the spoon, North, St Kilda and West Coast all 6 debutants. North and West Coast bottom 5.
Admittedly I actually don't don't what to make of this. Its cold and wet. I thought teams might be playing more kids which might be encouraging for the Tigers fielding a young team. Debuts have dropped in the last two seasons.
Like always you need to nail recruiting, coaching and drafting it seems. Hence the positions North and West Coast are in.
The debuts are draft picks not trades.
(87) 2020 (94) 2021, (84) 2022, (70) 2023 (76) 2024
2020: Adelaide 9 debuts and the spoon. Sydney and GCS next with 7 debuts each finished bottom 5.
2021: Adelaide 9 debuts. Pies 9 debuts. Hawthorn 7 debuts. All bottom 5. North won the spoon with 2 debuts that year.
2022: West Coast 10 debuts second last. Hawthorn next with 8 and Essendon 7. Hawks 13th Essendon bottom 5.
2023: Hawthorn 7 , Richmond 6 both bottom 5 and West Coast 6 plus the spoon. Collingwood win flag see 2021.
2024: Pies, Richmond won the spoon, North, St Kilda and West Coast all 6 debutants. North and West Coast bottom 5.
Admittedly I actually don't don't what to make of this. Its cold and wet. I thought teams might be playing more kids which might be encouraging for the Tigers fielding a young team. Debuts have dropped in the last two seasons.
Like always you need to nail recruiting, coaching and drafting it seems. Hence the positions North and West Coast are in.
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I would say a restructure, not tanking.
It’s not tanking being genuinely shit and a poor culture to the point your best players want out. That’s just a poorly run club
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Or they realise they should move for mutual benefit, staying at Richmond means winning 9 games a year for next 6 years, without any top 4 picks coming in the door. The club becomes Hawthorn 2019 to 2023, Essendon 2015 to 2024.
It probably wouldn’t be 9 wins a year given they only won two games this year. It will be a few years down the bottom to come. More north Melbourne as an equivalent or Melbourne early 2010’s
Richmond may have debuted only 6, but we used 42 players in the season, the most of all clubs.
The only 2 players at the club yet to debut are 2 category B rookies and Gray, a mid year recruit who was about to debut after kicking 4 in the VFL before doing a hammy with minutes to go. So the cupboard was pretty bare. Only 1 player played every game for Richmond last season.
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You're really not very good at the trolling game are you.
I think you're absolutely, 100% correct. Unanimously so (as some of our more intellectually challenged fellow posters might put it).
Some Geelong supporters see two things as absolutely unanimous (I think it's a Geelong word for true): That Geelong will always make the finals. and that they can't beat Richmond in finals. Therefore they're extremely triggered by Richmond, and any prospect of success. It's their biggest nightmare.
So it's really, really, really, I'd even go so far as unanimously important for Richmond to fail in this draft, as it is for them to believe that any Richmond teenager isn't all Australian 5 minutes after they've been recruited, is an unanimous fail.
I don't really care.
But given half the posts in this thread have been about whether or not Richmond are actually getting the highest rated kid in the draft, I though it was relevant...
Quotes something as if it is authority then says he doesn't care who he is quoting as authority.
Classic Fadge.
The Goon
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Sure, but that wasn't the statement I was answering.
Such an interesting thought process is fadge logic, AKA fagic.
You must first ask yourself whether you care about something enough to post about it. And if the answer to that question is no, then your obvious next step is to.......post about it.
It’s trolling to say Richmond was genuinely shit in 2024 and your best players wanted out?? More just a fact really.
It’s hard to beat a side that makes finals 6 times across 35 years in the AFL era. It’s like waiting for a wackamole to bob its head up for a split second once every hour. A one off four year patch doesn’t really count for much in the grand scheme
The thing is that Ashcroft may be the new no.1 but he wasn't for much of the year. He was thereabouts but Smile, Smith, FOS, Lalor have all be no.1 at some stage of the season. He might have edged ahead at the end but there is not much in it, it is not unanimous, so there is hardly any point going on about Richmond missing the best player in the draft.
Besides, Richmond might not necessarily have picking Ashcroft because he is a bit similar to what we already have and we might be after something a bit different. Lalor, FOS perhaps.
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