Freddy Swift
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Who are you trying to kid? I don’t doubt he may have done some marketing work for them occasionally but ‘had a promotion’? Get off the grass
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List Mgmt. “It’s a form of tanking” the Richmond rebuild
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Who are you trying to kid? I don’t doubt he may have done some marketing work for them occasionally but ‘had a promotion’? Get off the grass
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Um...
If winning the wooden spoon isn't "going back to said incompetence" what is?
Is it really that difficult to finish last and exit a handful of your best players who still have trade capital in exchange for more draft picks?
I'm pretty sure any club could copy that template if they really wanted to.
Well we didn't really want to trade out players they wanted to go, but true our hand was half delivered.for us
Last season however we traded into this draft which gave us more picks this year which enabled us to trade better in a strong draft. Something like 8 picks under 60 before player trading began. This was not accidental and we we all wondering why at the time. Seems like good management in the end.
Toffee Lion
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And yet many clubs haven't been able to find success, yet the template is there.
I will say of course there is a lot to go for the Tigers from here out but they've put themselves in the best position to rebound as quickly as possible and that's all that can be asked of them post-golden era.
Are you saying this is the best way to quickly rebuild?
Because there are many clubs who have gone a similar route without success, despite having 3 to 4 years as whipping boys of the competition.
Toffee Lion
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I'm not saying it's the best but considering their position where a lot of players want to go home and their stars have retired, what else do you expect them to do?
The added caveat is Richmond is not a North or St.Kilda, they'll attract FA talent in the next few years to compliment their youth. I think they've done very well with the hands dealt to them.
Dr Tigris
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The big difference to me is that the Tigers have kept 8 premiership players + Hopper and Taranto + the younger guys coming on fairly well (Ross etc). So the team is half decent (if fit) without the new draftees. My guess would be the team, if fit and playing a decent brand of footy, would win 6 - 8 games. If Lynch rips it up, and the midfield works to its best then maybe even challenging for the bottom of the 8. incredibly unlikely to be that good though.
But anyway, most clubs that have traded players out and been bottom haven't had a solid team to protect and develop their kids in.
It may all go pear shaped, but the Tigers have about 3 years of a solid mid to lower mid ladder team before it all goes away. That is without young guys developing into good players. And also that assumes that the injury plague the tigers had will stop. (20 guys injured = uncompetitive. )
So if the club does this well over the next few years you'll see the first team turn over to be much younger and the new draftees being developed carefully, with few players being smashed as kids. Don't worry too much about AFL results, and allow many players who could play AFL play VFL and dominate. Then give them the taste and learn what is required. If it goe right then the Tigers will have a team of very high quality and great balance in 4 years. If they screw it up then hello North.
Whilst I don't agree with your assessment of the current list, it is definitely important to retain some mature bodies to help the developing kids.
The big mistake Melbourne made circa 2010 was to let go of too much experience, leaving the likes of Grimes, Trengove and Watts to get absolutely pummelled as young leaders of the club. One can only think how much different their careers would have been had they had started with a stronger club.
I'd expect Richmond to bring in some mature players over the next couple of years - think Hodge's last couple of years at Brisbane - to provide leadership and experience.
Good luck with it all. It will be an interesting watch.
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Dr Tigris
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Cheers. I wasn't very positive about the team, even if all fit and playing well. But compared to 2024 it'd be a big step up.
Right now barring major injuries or total loss of form, the tigers have enough mature bodies for the next few years. But in a few years we'll know what the future shape of the list will look like, and where we need to recruit.
It'll be an interesting thing to watch.
Keep looking for excuses. None, but St.Kilda haven't won a flag in a while, Doggies and Melbourne one each in much the same time. Not sure success can be measured in flags only, they don't come easy even when you play finals regularly.
First, according to BigFooty, it was a shocking mistake to trade picks out of weaker drafts for Hopper and Taranto.
Next it is a terrible mistake to not have big bodies to protect the 7-8 talented youngsters Richmond is recruiting in a very strong draft.
Other rebuilding clubs haven't been in this position, because:
1. They didn't have a raft of multiple flag players remaining on their list,
2. They didn't have highly in demand relatively young multiple flag players to trade, and other clubs in a position to pay a full tariff for them,
3. They did not have a patient list manager prepared to steer all the resources into the strongest looking drafts while other clubs were clambering to get new players in as quickly as possible
It is pointless as Fadge is doing, asking where it got other clubs, no other club has been in this position. Richmond has just 6 players on the list who have previously played at another club. It is a very low number. It sets the club up for what comes next, being a very strong player in the trade and free agency markets. And the recruiters and list manager has big runs on the board in that regard. They have seen it all before and scarily, will have learned plenty that should only make the process more smooth the second time around.
The other thing a lot are missing here...the only other 2 teams we have seen struck by anything like the unavailability Richmond suffered in 2024 are Essendon 2016 & Eagles 2022-23.
2022 Eagles suffered 8 x 60+ thrashings.
2023 Eagles suffered 10 x 60+ thrashings.
2016 Essendon suffered 9 x 60+ thrashings. Lions that same year 10 x 60+ thrashings - finished top four just 3 years later.
2024 Richmond suffered 4 x 60+ thrashings. It is obvious Richmond's best 22 will not be as strong with the good players leaving, but the average team actualy taking the field could be appreciably stronger in 2025 compared to 2024. In fact it is likely to be.
Next it is a terrible mistake to not have big bodies to protect the 7-8 talented youngsters Richmond is recruiting in a very strong draft.
Other rebuilding clubs haven't been in this position, because:
1. They didn't have a raft of multiple flag players remaining on their list,
2. They didn't have highly in demand relatively young multiple flag players to trade, and other clubs in a position to pay a full tariff for them,
3. They did not have a patient list manager prepared to steer all the resources into the strongest looking drafts while other clubs were clambering to get new players in as quickly as possible
It is pointless as Fadge is doing, asking where it got other clubs, no other club has been in this position. Richmond has just 6 players on the list who have previously played at another club. It is a very low number. It sets the club up for what comes next, being a very strong player in the trade and free agency markets. And the recruiters and list manager has big runs on the board in that regard. They have seen it all before and scarily, will have learned plenty that should only make the process more smooth the second time around.
The other thing a lot are missing here...the only other 2 teams we have seen struck by anything like the unavailability Richmond suffered in 2024 are Essendon 2016 & Eagles 2022-23.
2022 Eagles suffered 8 x 60+ thrashings.
2023 Eagles suffered 10 x 60+ thrashings.
2016 Essendon suffered 9 x 60+ thrashings. Lions that same year 10 x 60+ thrashings - finished top four just 3 years later.
2024 Richmond suffered 4 x 60+ thrashings. It is obvious Richmond's best 22 will not be as strong with the good players leaving, but the average team actualy taking the field could be appreciably stronger in 2025 compared to 2024. In fact it is likely to be.
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Absolute nonsense premise however can see the media running with it. Let's call it what it is, it's an accelerated rebuild with the potential to be really bad for a bit then really good after it. Would it be better to not do these trades, then lose one of these guys every year for the next 3-4 years? With us just being bottom in the bottom four for the next few years while hoping we nail our picks each year. We cashed in with a few players whose values are high, we have the potential to bounce back rather than do 5 years at the bottom then beg the AFL for a priority pick.
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