List Mgmt. 2009 trade week discussion

[DanA]

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Would you guys consider a trade of our pick 7, Seaby and Spanger fror Travis Varco?

I don't think we would. I don't think any of our starting 22 will be up for trade. Maybe Stokes but Varcoe I think is very doubtful

 

[rooie]

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Would you guys consider a trade of our pick 7, Seaby and Spanger fror Travis Varco?

I would take that in a heart beat.

 

[Geelong2k9]

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I would take that in a heart beat.

Ditto.

 

[OldStyle2007]

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There was a thread on the main board that said Stokes to Eagles is a done deal. Didn't say what the details were though

Hard to see us giving up Varcoe. He's improving every year, and becoming a very good player.

I don't think we need another ruckman (Seaby). I couldn't see Eagles giving up Spangher after his good late season form

Might just be Stokes and a pick upgrade

 

[muttonchops]

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There was a thread on the main board that said Stokes to Eagles is a done deal. Didn't say what the details were though

Hard to see us giving up Varcoe. He's improving every year, and becoming a very good player.

I don't think we need another ruckman (Seaby). I couldn't see Eagles giving up Spangher after his good late season form

Might just be Stokes and a pick upgrade

How about Stokes and we exchange our first round picks. We get pick 7 you get pick 16.

 

[Geelong2k9]

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How about Stokes and we exchange our first round picks. We get pick 7 you get pick 16.

I reckon that'd be ideal; WCE have spoken about getting LeCras (shafted by Neon Leon for the AA spot) into the midfield more; hypothetically; you could see a Geelong style rotation between forward/ midfield if this all were to eventuate.

 

[meto]

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I would take that in a heart beat.

Ditto again, Varcoe doesn't get it enough to be to worried about him, if he's good trade bait use him.

 

[Turbocat]

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How about Stokes and we exchange our first round picks. We get pick 7 you get pick 16.

I really don't see the Cats trading him for Peanuts and swapping R1 picks is not enough IMO (unless Wells basically knows that it would get us a certain player that he is hot for)
More fair I feel would be
GFC- Stokes & R1 for WC-R1 & R2 or R3.
We would at least get extra pick for loss of a player that is in our best 22 most weeks.

As for Varcoe , even if the deal was attractive I doubt the club would have drafted his younger brother if they were planning to trade him

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

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I really don't see the Cats trading him for Peanuts and swapping R1 picks is not enough IMO (unless Wells basically knows that it would get us a certain player that he is hot for)
More fair I feel would be
GFC- Stokes & R1 for WC-R1 & R2 or R3.
We would at least get extra pick for loss of a player that is in our best 22 most weeks.

As for Varcoe , even if the deal was attractive I doubt the club would have drafted his younger brother if they were planning to trade him

stokes will not be going to the eagles
he will stay

required player

can we stop speculating about our starting 22

he played injured this year, and watch him after a full pre season

 

[rooie]

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stokes will not be going to the eagles
he will stay

required player

can we stop speculating about our starting 22

he played injured this year, and watch him after a full pre season

would certainly trade him for the right deal. He is far from a 'required player'. He is handy, and wouldn't look to move him on, but if a club came with a good offer I would take it.

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

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would certainly trade him for the right deal. He is far from a 'required player'. He is handy, and wouldn't look to move him on, but if a club came with a good offer I would take it.

a pick in the mid 20s is a hope pick in this draft
on his day he is a great player

 

[Topper]

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I dont undrstand the timing of this thread???

We're preparing for a GF and people are throwing up names of players either playing on Saturday or are in contention.


Maybe we can look at trades after we're done celebrating on the weekend

 

[DanA]

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I really don't see the Cats trading him for Peanuts and swapping R1 picks is not enough IMO (unless Wells basically knows that it would get us a certain player that he is hot for)
More fair I feel would be
GFC- Stokes & R1 for WC-R1 & R2 or R3.
We would at least get extra pick for loss of a player that is in our best 22 most weeks.

As for Varcoe , even if the deal was attractive I doubt the club would have drafted his younger brother if they were planning to trade him

I agree that it's pretty unlikely we will trade Varcoe. His borther is at the club, he's starting to settle and looks a bright prospect.

But there's generally a pretty big difference between pick 16/17 and pick 7 and with that low a pick there would be a degree of certainty about who we could get. I think that would represent a good deal for us considering we have 2 x Varcoe, Byrnes, Motlop, Djerkurra and Chapman all playing similar sorts of roles.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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I dont undrstand the timing of this thread???

We're preparing for a GF and people are throwing up names of players either playing on Saturday or are in contention.


Maybe we can look at trades after we're done celebrating on the weekend

Agreed...although I wouldn't be surprised if the recruiting dept is doing some prep for next week behind the scenes.

So I hope they don't go celebrating too much on the turps on the w/e

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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Would you guys consider a trade of our pick 7, Seaby and Spanger fror Travis Varco?

I doubt it, even though on paper that is a fair trade. I just think we want to keep both our Varcoes.

If you want a small forward (as I keep hearing WCE is after), Stokes or Byrnes might be a more realistic target.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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I reckon that'd be ideal; WCE have spoken about getting LeCras (shafted by Neon Leon for the AA spot) into the midfield more; hypothetically; you could see a Geelong style rotation between forward/ midfield if this all were to eventuate.

Unless there's a specific player Wells wants at 7 that he thinks will be gone after the top 10, then I don't see how that pick upgrade trade helps us.

Then again, we did pick up a certain Selwood with a pick 7

 

[Belisarius]

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Given the time and effort put into Varcoe - and he is just starting to repay us - I think it unlikely GFC would trade him. Now with his brother at the club it is even more unlikely he will be traded.

However pick 7, Spangher and Seaby is still a good deal - given the history of the draft and how clubs hate to give up their early round 1 picks. However Seaby is not needed with Mumford and West at the club IMO. Spangher looks good so far but why would the WC ever trade him ?

What GFC need is a KP backman - to replace as much as possible Matty Egan. If Spangher fits that role then I understand the interest in him. I still think it far more likely we would get MacGuire, even with Hudghton retiring making this trade a little more difficult to get done.

Everitt with his height and mobility looks a potentially good option down back, and if other clubs are only offering pick 27 - for a player that was a first round draft pick (and now with a season under his belt at a AFL club) - what a bargain that would be, on paper at least. I find it hard to believe the Doggies will trade him for such a pick. I think he is worth our first round pick (16-17) - as long as the recruiting staff rate him.

I have great faith in the recruiting staff. Seems to me only one real dud to their recent record - Tenace (given he was such a high draft choice). Things may have changed from the old recruiting days but they are 'still in the zone' when it comes to getting good players without high draft picks.

 

[sexyhunk]

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l like us to have a look at boak, lackie hansen or henderson. mature guys like burygone, lovett and co would be extremely difficult to fit in to the cap. the guys i mentioned you think be on quite modest contract as they havent really set the world on fire..

hansen i particulary excited about if we can somehow snare him, he would fit right in and take over with our aging defense.

1st round pick for sure, duno which player north be interested though.

 

[Geelong2k9]

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Just a change of tune; let's go with a pure hypothetical......say Jarrad Roughead announced Geelong as his club of choice to be traded to; what would you give Hawthorn???

 

[Vegas.]

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Just a change of tune; let's go with a pure hypothetical......say Jarrad Roughead announced Geelong as his club of choice to be traded to; what would you give Hawthorn???

Tenace and a taste of their own medicine.

 

[hamG]

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what would you give Hawthorn???

I've always wanted to give them a punch in the face.

 

[Turbocat]

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Deals take two sides to agree.

As much as some say Hawthorn sold North a dud or two, North agreed to the deals and agreed to pay what they did.
So who is to blame here, the vendor selling the moonshine wonder cure from the back of a wagon or the backwater hick that laps it up and buys.

On the other hand , the Pies and the Dons said NO to Steve Johnson when he was looking a little to frail. There is such a thing being a little too risk adverse.

In the end , everyone has responsibility to mind their own house.Deal with Hawthorn and one better have your wits about you

 

[DanA]

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Deals take two sides to agree.

As much as some say Hawthorn sold North a dud or two, North agreed to the deals and agreed to pay what they did.
So who is to blame here, the vendor selling the moonshine wonder cure from the back of a wagon or the backwater hick that laps it up and buys.

On the other hand , the Pies and the Dons said NO to Steve Johnson when he was looking a little to frail. There is such a thing being a little too risk adverse.

In the end , everyone has responsibility to mind their own house.Deal with Hawthorn and one better have your wits about you

Disagree. Hawthorn failed to disclose a mental illness Hay was suffering and instead pushed him out the door which had severe repercussions on his health to the point where it ended his career. Hawthorn disregarded the players welfare and showed a lack of integrity in trading. Completely different to S.J scenario where clubs were aware if his ankle problems and were able to scrutinize his preexisting injuriy. Hawthorn were scum of the highest order in this case as far as I am concerned.

 

[proboy]

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Disagree. Hawthorn failed to disclose a mental illness Hay was suffering and instead pushed him out the door which had severe repercussions on his health to the point where it ended his career. Hawthorn disregarded the players welfare and showed a lack of integrity in trading. Completely different to S.J scenario where clubs were aware if his ankle problems and were able to scrutinize his preexisting injuriy. Hawthorn were scum of the highest order in this case as far as I am concerned.[/QUOTE]

totally

 

[Turbocat]

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Disagree. Hawthorn failed to disclose a mental illness Hay was suffering and instead pushed him out the door which had severe repercussions on his health to the point where it ended his career. Hawthorn disregarded the players welfare and showed a lack of integrity in trading. Completely different to S.J scenario where clubs were aware if his ankle problems and were able to scrutinize his preexisting injuriy. Hawthorn were scum of the highest order in this case as far as I am concerned.

Thats a surprise.

Wasn't Donald McDonald involved in both clubs. Was he aware of the situation and still decided to go ahead with the deal? Even if Hawthorn held back knowledge etc... North are still partially to blame , because they should have done more due diligence. Did they really investigate his health?For mine not well enough. They were focused on the immediate talent they could add to their team.

Trading in itself is risky. When you trade for someone , you better understand that they bring some sort of baggage. We took a risk with Ottens heath but its paid off but if we had done the Rawlings deal it probably would have been a ballsup.What about some kid that looks alright and you then find out he's on two strikes.

What I do agree with you on is Hawthorn probably could have been more open , laid it on the table , made sure North were fully aware of the situation.

Are Hawthorn scum? If you sleep with dogs , you get fleas.