List Mgmt. 2009 trade week discussion

[candiehappy]

Re: Potential Trade Week Action!

Harlet retires, Tenace out. Gamble & Lonergan for trade bait?

Praying Egan can recover ........

 

[DanA]

Re: Farewells

Hey guys, Just on what Bomber said, Gelong could be one of the best sides in the AFL, but you need to let go of some players earlier than expected.

Not just trade options but retirement. Harley one would think would go, Could probably go around again, However, With Taylor as good as he is, Scarlett and Mackie you guys could probably afford to see the back of Tom. ?Milburn? Again, Probably still has another year in him, but you need to give a kid a regular opertunity, if not a kid, Josh Hunt steps back into this role for a few years. David Johnson, again could keep going and to be honest has had a limited career however, he is not going to be a player to keep you guys towards the top of the ladder for the next three years.

Add to that Egan, Unfortunate.

Kane Tennace to be delisted.

Probably trade one or two players max.

But are your opinions similar to mine, who do you guys think you could loose but still replace?

6 changes to a premiership side, is a good turn over while still keeping competative.

I think your pretty much spot on. Hunt was our quarterback before Milburn so he can take that role back. That free Milburn up to play the chop out role Harley does and Gillies can fill in when injuries occur or if Kelly is needed elsewhere.

I think we arefine until Ottens, Scarlett and Mooney retire. Then who knows.

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Potential Trade Week Action!

It is hard to know what the ramifications are when you trade someone or let it be known they are up for trade. However assuming there were no fall outs and other consequences, you would think that Geelong needs to make some changes now to the list. Especially before GC comes into the trade situation.

If we have salary cap issues then DJ, Lonergan and Tenace have to go. None of these guys are going to make Geelong's best 22.

I think that Hogan, Gillies and Mumford are definitely worth keeping and putting some more senior time into.

So who could also be up for trade ? I think Blake and Gamble are possible trades. Really liked Blake's last quarter in the GF but it seems only a matter of time before Mumford overtakes him. Gamble looks like he could be a player - so has trade potential as well.

I still like Maguire as a possible trade, if cheap enough - and Andreas Everitt, if he can be got with a draft pick and one of the above players.

The Premiership window is well and truly open for another 2 years at least.

Of the three years Geelong have had this has been our worst in overall performances and, it could be argued that '08 was our best (excl. the GF). So no reason why if we make it into the second week of the finals we cannot win again.

If we can replace Egan with someone who is half as good, that frees up Taylor to play HBF and run to receive more ball coming out of defence, it would suit Geelong. He is a nice long kick, and along with Josh Hunt, could give us another weapon to break the zone oppositions use against us.

 

[catempire]

Re: Potential Trade Week Action!

Let's just be clear, Geelong will not be able to trade in any established players this year because of our salary cap constraints. If anything, we will trade for picks.

The comments by Thompson suggest that we may have to trade out some talent and perhaps some best 22 talent.

No club will want DJ, Lonergan or Tenace, let's not kid ourselves. A couple of years ago, maybe, but not now.

It may well be that someone like Gamble has to go because he has some currency, is on more than the minimum salary and has failed to live up to expectations. This will disappoint me because I think he'll make it somewhere else with this possibly being the kick up the backside he needs.

 

[muttonchops]

Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

Mark Thompson has said we will most likely have to offload some players due to salary cap pressures. Looks like some hard call may be made.

But who. Could be some unlucky players.

 

[True Blue Cat]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

I don't recall him saying that. He said if players were unwilling to sign for under what they are worth then this would happen. Geelong Players have taken pay cuts over the last 2 years in order to keep the group together so it wouldn't surprise me if it happened again.

 

[muttonchops]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

From the Addy

Coach Mark Thompson said the club's tight salary cap could force it to off-load players this trade week, in his post match press conference.

 

[PoidaCat]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

From the Addy

Coach Mark Thompson said the club's tight salary cap could force it to off-load players this trade week, in his post match press conference.

That's not a direct quote from Bomber. That's manipulative journalism.

 

[catempire]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

That's not a direct quote from Bomber. That's manipulative journalism.

Here's a direct quote for you then:

'What I am looking forward to is getting into the draft this year. We have some salary cap problems. We might have to trade, but I am looking forward to getting the best kids we can and training them up and putting pressure on guys and having the best football club in Australia.'

 

[PoidaCat]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

Here's a direct quote for you then:

Cheers.

There is now substance to the thread.

 

[True Blue Cat]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

I still see a difference between Bomber saying we might have to trade the the main post saying we will most likely have to.

 

[rizzo]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

Maybe fringe players, but can see our best 22 staying together!

 

[kriso182]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

Possible Trades

Kane Tenace - Most likely will be delisted and picked up another club in the Pre-Season Draft. A draft pick would be a bonus.

David Johnson - Most likely will be delisted. Maybe picked up by another club in the Pre-Season Draft. Again a draft pick would be a bonus.

David Wojcinski - Out of Contract and will generate interest. At 29 years of age we would probably get a third round pick for him.

Matthew Stokes - Out of Contract and will generate interest. Would probably get a second round pick for him.

Mark Blake - Out of Contract and could be traded if he doesn't like the contract put to him. Worth a second round pick.

Trent West - Not sure if he is out of contract, but has now spent 4 years on the Geelong list for 7 games. Possibly could get a fourth round pick.

Ryan Gamble - Could request a trade due to lack of opportunites. I think the Cats would want a second rounder for him.


Tom Lonergan - Is he out of contract? Cant see any teams wanting him and will probably be delisted. (unless under contract)

Obviously, I couldn't see us losing both Blake and West but one could go.

 

[winty]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

After what Stokes has shown this week, I highly doubt we'd move him on, unless he wanted to look elsewhere.

 

[True Blue Cat]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

After what Stokes has shown this week, I highly doubt we'd move him on, unless he wanted to look elsewhere.

With the character he has shown in the last week i don't think we would get rid of him. He has shown nothing but the utmost respect for the club and the selectors decision so i think the club would show him the same respect. I doubt he would want to go anywhere else.


I wouldn't want to lose Wojo. He still needs to polish his ball handling skills under pressure but the speed he adds to the Geelong side is something we need.

Trent West may go. As Kriso said he has spent years on the list and has got few shots at Afl level and i don't see him getting a game at all next year. If he wants a chance at an Afl career he is best going to another club that can offer him game time.

Although trades such as depth players in Tenace, Lonergan, DJ, etc. may happen i don't think they would free up much space in our salary cap.

Lonergan signed a new contract at the end of 2008 i believe. As there was a story in the paper about struggles they were having getting him to sign as he wanted more money but the cats couldn't fit it into the cap. Not sure how long the contract was for though.

Would it be possible to have the thread title changed to something to do with possible trades this year to give it a broader subject as it has gone to that anyways. Or just merge it with the potential trade week action thread.

 

[Big Fozza]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

Possible Trades

Kane Tenace - Most likely will be delisted and picked up another club in the Pre-Season Draft. A draft pick would be a bonus.

David Johnson - Most likely will be delisted. Maybe picked up by another club in the Pre-Season Draft. Again a draft pick would be a bonus.

David Wojcinski - Out of Contract and will generate interest. At 29 years of age we would probably get a third round pick for him.

Matthew Stokes - Out of Contract and will generate interest. Would probably get a second round pick for him.

Mark Blake - Out of Contract and could be traded if he doesn't like the contract put to him. Worth a second round pick.

Trent West - Not sure if he is out of contract, but has now spent 4 years on the Geelong list for 7 games. Possibly could get a fourth round pick.

Ryan Gamble - Could request a trade due to lack of opportunites. I think the Cats would want a second rounder for him.


Tom Lonergan - Is he out of contract? Cant see any teams wanting him and will probably be delisted. (unless under contract)

Obviously, I couldn't see us losing both Blake and West but one could go.

i'd want to keep johnson, wojak, stokes, west and gamble.

i can see DJ moving on though as lack of opportunities and could be a great pick up for another club. obviously couldn't begrudge him 1 bit for this.

I don't see Gamble staying around when his value at another club could be a lot more.

Stokesy won't go anywhere and i see him as having a lot to offer the club over the next 2-3 years.

i think Blake will be gone. for what he would be after in $$$ vs Mummy and the lack of room that we have i don't think we have much of a choice.

Has Ablett resigned yet? when's selwood's contract up as well? next year? i'm praying to god that neither leaves to go to the GC. what about Bartel & chappy as well, you'd reckon they would have to be on thier wishlist as well. i can't see either going obviously but after chappy is getting his well deserved recognition this year who knows... they'll be throwing big money around

 

[FoxC]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

Has Ablett resigned yet? when's selwood's contract up as well? next year? i'm praying to god that neither leaves to go to the GC. what about Bartel & chappy as well, you'd reckon they would have to be on thier wishlist as well. i can't see either going obviously but after chappy is getting his well deserved recognition this year who knows... they'll be throwing big money around

He re-signed last year 'til 2011 so no he hasn't resigned.

Same with Selwood.

 

[kriso182]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

After what Stokes has shown this week, I highly doubt we'd move him on, unless he wanted to look elsewhere.

I only included Wojo and Stokes on my list because they are out of contract not because I want to see them go. Unfortunately, we may not be able to keep everyone unless they are prepared to play for less than half of what they can get somewhere else.

 

[kriso182]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

He re-signed last year 'til 2011 so no he hasn't resigned.

Same with Selwood.

Ablett and Selwood are both out of contract next year.

Gary Ablett and Joel Selwood are both out of contract at the end of next year at a time when the Gold Coast club has the chance to secure uncontracted talent. The spectre of the Gold Coast side would likely force their price up at Geelong, which would have obvious ramifications for the following year's list and salary cap.

But next year the vast bulk of Geelong's list should remain intact.

''We have time up our sleeve [for Ablett and Selwood], they will be done some time next year, I don't know when,'' Cook said. ''But I am not going to go into the individual players.''

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/cats-want-to-keep-team-together/2009/09/27/1253989826514.html

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

I wouldn't want to lose Wojo. He still needs to polish his ball handling skills under pressure but the speed he adds to the Geelong side is something we need.

who is going to trade for a 29 year old?

maybe freo, but surely even they have learnt.

 

[GOEAGLES 08]

i think you guys should hand over joel selwood. we have 2 other selwoods so i think its only fair.

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

lonergan is on jack, was on $150k approx, so whether he stays or goes no big deal

blake was on 500k, and he will not be offered this, more like 300k, so he might go, depends on where his heart and ego are at, he goes west stays, he stays west goes, pretty simple

stokes is going nowhere, he wants to stay, club want him

gamble will ask to leave, thinks like prismall (who is holding onto his medal)

harley will play on. he wants to get to 200 games. he stays johnson goes

tenace will be offered up to be traded

wojac is going nowehere, he got his medal, and wants another

byrnes will stay, and knows he is on the fringe, but guess what he has 2 medals, and if he was playing at melbourne he would have been retired

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

Possible Trades

Kane Tenace - Most likely will be delisted and picked up another club in the Pre-Season Draft. A draft pick would be a bonus.

David Johnson - Most likely will be delisted. Maybe picked up by another club in the Pre-Season Draft. Again a draft pick would be a bonus.

David Wojcinski - Out of Contract and will generate interest. At 29 years of age we would probably get a third round pick for him.

Matthew Stokes - Out of Contract and will generate interest. Would probably get a second round pick for him.

Mark Blake - Out of Contract and could be traded if he doesn't like the contract put to him. Worth a second round pick.

Trent West - Not sure if he is out of contract, but has now spent 4 years on the Geelong list for 7 games. Possibly could get a fourth round pick.

Ryan Gamble - Could request a trade due to lack of opportunites. I think the Cats would want a second rounder for him.


Tom Lonergan - Is he out of contract? Cant see any teams wanting him and will probably be delisted. (unless under contract)

Obviously, I couldn't see us losing both Blake and West but one could go.

This assessment seems pretty spot on to me. If we have salary cap issues then Lonergan, Tenace and DJ have to go (depending however on the contract they have in place). Can see Gamble being used as trade bait - and I think you need to be hard hearted and say if you can get something for Blake - get it now. West should be kept - as he will be the back up ruckman to Ottens and Mummy, and could still be a possible KP player at a pinch.

Not worth trading Wojo for a third round pick. Not likey to get a quality player and certainly would not be up and running next year, as Wojo will be. Cannot see Stokes being traded - but again might get some interest from other clubs - and Geelong has POTENTIALLY a few small forwards coming thru.

It is very likely Harley will retire, and Egan has been delisted. So there's a few bucks off the salary cap. Add to this Lonergan, Tenace, DJ and Blake - and we should be able to pay for our best 24 and get some new blood in the draft. Geelong has normally got at least one good player each draft - for years now. We only need one good one - and that will certainly bolster our stocks for the next few years to come after 2010 season, when things will be lean for a while.

 

[Reg Hickey]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

harley will play on. he wants to get to 200 games.

He is on 198, right?

So why don't we keep him on with a shortened preseason and low salary, and let him play the first two matches. He could then "break down" at training the following week, and we put him on the long term injury list for the rest of the season.

Would get him his 200 games, and wouldn't really cost us a spot on the list because we could promote a rookie (like Ranga?) for the rest of the season.

 

[True Blue Cat]

Re: Our salary cap - Players may have to be offloaded, Who?

who is going to trade for a 29 year old?

maybe freo, but surely even they have learnt.

Someone who wants 1 of the fastest players in the comp who is also a dual premiership player?