List Mgmt. 2013 Trade / Draft / Free Agency

[cooperrules]

Will apologies to posters who follow the WAFL or SAFL, but i find it hard to get excited about 'mature' players who dominate at this level.
Most of them are there cos they couldnt cut it in the AFL. Tucky wasnt really setting the world on fire in the AFL last time.
If its a kid dominating in the SAFL then id be taking notice cos there is still the chance of huge improvement as he developes .
Obviously the step up from SAFL to AFL is huge nowdays so Tuckys stats are hard to judge. But one thing i do agree with is his size, 190cm, 94kg.
Thats like Nat Fyfe. Perfect for the modern footballer
Would be a feel good story if he did get picked up though. Like ive said before everybody deserves a 2nd chance (except James Hird )

would rather george hampson from subiaco.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Billings still.

 

[Barrels]

would rather george hampson from subiaco.

I know Defacto is a massive Hampson fan, but I'm not sold. Certainly can play, but at 23 and 188cm still very light at 80kgs and has two reconstructed knees; yes that was at 16 and 18, but the weakness is there.



I'm not particularly sure what role he plays either.

 

[okeydoke7]

I'm going to change my mind 10 times on who i want us to draft over the next 10 days...This despite having no authority or special knowledge on who we should/shouldnt select.

They all look good on their bloody highlight tapes

Whoever we draft I will back in, and look forward to watching with excitement. This trade period relies on the exclamation point, and that is a good draft. We know next year is supposed to be a super draft, so laying the foundations a year early and backing it up next year would be ideal!

 

[blktreacle]

how many senior and rookie list spots do we have left to fill?

 

[Bull3tblitz]

so much smoke and mirrors going on

 

[goodie23]

how many senior and rookie list spots do we have left to fill?

Still have to shed one player off the senior list if we're going to use pick 19, two vacancies on the rookie list

 

[cooperrules]

I know Defacto is a massive Hampson fan, but I'm not sold. Certainly can play, but at 23 and 188cm still very light at 80kgs and has two reconstructed knees; yes that was at 16 and 18, but the weakness is there.

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I'm not particularly sure what role he plays either.

he was playing c grade ammos 3 years ago. he seems to thrive in better standards. he is very skinny not sure he has a lot of muscle growth left in those chicken wings. was it the same knee he did twice?

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Footy Tragic has done an in depth Power Rankings (detailed discussion til 25, then just named his best 1-25. But will update eventually). Is a good read, has a number of surprises that are relevant to us (Crouch at 50, Gardiner, Hartung and Taylor all high 30's to 40's.)

Also relevant, has Dumont at #10, Dusntan at #14 and Aish at #12 :O

Aish has dropped in quite a number of PD's. Even KM has him potentially at 10!

Starting to think it's very doubtful we'll see Acres anywhere near Pick 18 as well.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/

 

[Barrels]

he was playing c grade ammos 3 years ago. he seems to thrive in better standards. he is very skinny not sure he has a lot of muscle growth left in those chicken wings. was it the same knee he did twice?

Nope. Has done both, Menzel style.

 

[Defacto]

I know Defacto is a massive Hampson fan, but I'm not sold. Certainly can play, but at 23 and 188cm still very light at 80kgs and has two reconstructed knees; yes that was at 16 and 18, but the weakness is there.

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I'm not particularly sure what role he plays either.

i'm an extremely biased fan

since i saw him in his 2nd or 3rd game, i havent seen him have a problem with his knee once. its solid. he missed some games early this year but from memory it was mouth/nose surgery or something unrelated to his knee, i forget now

when he first played for subi, they used him off the HFF/FP similar to what we have used milera for in the past. when i first watched him, i had no idea who he was other than the old man telling me they got him out of no where from esperance and the kid can play. i saw him destroy west perth in a final on that day in terrible conditions.

since then as our form went to the toilet, he has been played everywhere bar probably the ruck and CHB/FB. not because he hasnt been good in his initial position but because he was thrown anywhere we had a problem or to try and ignite something. think what we used to do with beej, what geelong do with stevie j/bartel. everytime he was given a role he did it extremely well. moved onto the wing after HFF, then into the guts, then HBF, hell i've seen him play the one out fwd in a greasy night against claremont.

the kid has some serious heart. he reminds me of a mix between leigh montagna and lenny hayes. deadly in front of goal, endurance beast. despite what people say, he knows how to get in there and win his own pill, despite the knock on his size.

if we did have one knock it would be his decision making sometimes, but hey if your regularly getting high 20s possessions you are going to make a mistake here and there, especially in a shit side. tackling could also be worked on.

like i've said before he would be an immediate upgrade on someone like ledger and is someone that would flourish in the higher system, as someone else pointed out. something which showed when he first joined subi and was mentored by des headland

is he a perfect fit for us, i dont know

 

[Barrels]

i'm an extremely biased fan

since i saw him in his 2nd or 3rd game, i havent seen him have a problem with his knee once. its solid. he missed some games early this year but from memory it was mouth/nose surgery or something unrelated to his knee, i forget now

when he first played for subi, they used him off the HFF/FP similar to what we have used milera for in the past. when i first watched him, i had no idea who he was other than the old man telling me they got him out of no where from esperance and the kid can play. i saw him destroy west perth in a final on that day in terrible conditions.

since then as our form went to the toilet, he has been played everywhere bar probably the ruck and CHB/FB. not because he hasnt been good in his initial position but because he was thrown anywhere we had a problem or to try and ignite something. think what we used to do with beej, what geelong do with stevie j/bartel. everytime he was given a role he didnt it extremely well. moved onto the wing after HFF, then into the guts, then HBF, hell i've seen him play the one out fwd in a greasy night against claremont.

the kid has some serious heart. he reminds me of a mix between leigh montagna and lenny hayes. deadly in front of goal, endurance beast. despite what people say, he knows how to get in there and win his own pill, despite the knock on his size.

if we did have one knock it would be his decision making sometimes, but hey if your regularly getting high 20s possessions you are going to make a mistake here and there, especially in a shit side. tackling could also be worked on.

like i've said before he would be an immediate upgrade on someone like ledger and is someone that would flourish in the higher system, as someone else pointed out. something which showed when he first joined subi and was mentored by des headland

is he a perfect fit for us, i dont know

Is he likely, or even able to put any genuine size on?

 

[Defacto]

Is he likely, or even able to put any genuine size on?

that's a good question. he's been in the system a touch over 2 years now. he has gotten bigger since he first started and this year wasnt helped by a delayed pre-season

its a valid knock. but he's bigger than mark hutchings whos on an AFL list and someone people on here have said we should never have passed up

hows his weight compare to other players of similar height?

 

[Barrels]

that's a good question. he's been in the system a touch over 2 years now. he has gotten bigger since he first started and this year wasnt helped by a delayed pre-season

its a valid knock. but he's bigger than mark hutchings whos on an AFL list and someone people on here have said we should never have passed up

hows his weight compare to other players of similar height?

Seb Ross has 6 kilos on him while being 1cm shorter, but the parameters are probably Shaggy who's still got 3kgs on him despite being quite slim to the ludicrous 16kgs that Jimmy Gwilt has on him. Jimmy Webster, who was very skinny this year was only 2kgs lighter, but is only 19 and judging by the photos that are up, he ain't lighter no more!

To put it into further perspective, Blake Acres, who is a baby, has 4kgs on him already...

If he wants to be a 'complete' mid rather than just outside or a flanker, he'd want maybe 5kgs by my count.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Footy Tragic has done an in depth Power Rankings (detailed discussion til 25, then just named his best 1-25. But will update eventually). Is a good read, has a number of surprises that are relevant to us (Crouch at 50, Gardiner, Hartung and Taylor all high 30's to 40's.)

Also relevant, has Dumont at #10, Dusntan at #14 and Aish at #12 :O

Aish has dropped in quite a number of PD's. Even KM has him potentially at 10!

Starting to think it's very doubtful we'll see Acres anywhere near Pick 18 as well.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/

First of all - I know diddly squat about which kid is better than which but for mine:

Pick 3: Don't mind here as whether it is Billings or Kelly or Aish or even KK you have to back the club to make the right call. Will get excited about whomever they call out here.

Pick 18/19 - this is where it gets interesting.

1 pick - IMO we need to take one of Dumont or Dunstan and would be very happy with either one (I think both will be available). I am not a fan of Crouch - I think you need more strings to your bow in today's game and whilst he is great at getting the ball the rest is pretty ordinary by all accounts. Again I don't know that much - only what I have read etc. Does not sound like a top 20 pick to me and I think the other two kids I mention have more to offer the club. For mine that is the easy of the two picks.

The other pick is the tricky one. I have liked Acres or Jones a lot here and again would be very happy with either one them. Yes there is a chance one or both might be gone but that would allow a slider perhaps. However from what I've read we like Hartung or Taylor whom according to Footy Tragic are both rated as late second or even early third round draft picks. Interesting.

What I am nervous about is that we have to get these picks right to justify our approach to trading/drafting/recruiting. We can't afford to stuff this up, not in the slightest or we are going to get crucified in the media. And I am sick of us getting roasted in the media. I don't want the club to give the media another reason. Nothing short of 1 elite and 2 very good players will suffice. Based on last two years I have faith in Trout, Bains, Pelchen, Beveridge, etc but I still worry....

So
Billings
Dumont/Dunstan
Acres if not Jones if not ???

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Stanley well done. You are a tracker dog at finding every little bit of information flying around. Good work.

 

[Jezzarayman]

First of all - I know diddly squat about which kid is better than which but for mine:

Pick 3: Don't mind here as whether it is Billings or Kelly or Aish or even KK you have to back the club to make the right call. Will get excited about whomever they call out here.

Pick 18/19 - this is where it gets interesting.

1 pick - IMO we need to take one of Dumont or Dunstan and would be very happy with either one (I think both will be available). I am not a fan of Crouch - I think you need more strings to your bow in today's game and whilst he is great at getting the ball the rest is pretty ordinary by all accounts. Again I don't know that much - only what I have read etc. Does not sound like a top 20 pick to me and I think the other two kids I mention have more to offer the club. For mine that is the easy of the two picks.

The other pick is the tricky one. I have liked Acres or Jones a lot here and again would be very happy with either one them. Yes there is a chance one or both might be gone but that would allow a slider perhaps. However from what I've read we like Hartung or Taylor whom according to Footy Tragic are both rated as late second or even early third round draft picks. Interesting.

What I am nervous about is that we have to get these picks right to justify our approach to trading/drafting/recruiting. We can't afford to stuff this up, not in the slightest or we are going to get crucified in the media. And I am sick of us getting roasted in the media. I don't want the club to give the media another reason. Nothing short of 1 elite and 2 very good players will suffice. Based on last two years I have faith in Trout, Bains, Pelchen, Beveridge, etc but I still worry....

So
Billings
Dumont/Dunstan
Acres if not Jones if not ???

We defiantly do. We need elite midfielders. Especially with pick 1-5 next year most likely being KPP

2009/2010 grand final midfield.
Dal Santo
Hayes
Montagna
Goddard

2019 Grand final Midfield

J. Steven
???????
???????
???????

 

[Barrels]

We defiantly do. We need elite midfielders. Especially with pick 1-5 next year most likely being KPP

2009/2010 grand final midfield:
Dal Santo
Hayes
Montagna
Goddard
Eddy
Peake
(half of) Ball

2019 Grand final Midfield:
Steven
Acres
Dumont
Billings
Curren
Ross
Saunders
Wright
Savage
Armitage
Geary

Not directly as talented perhaps, but much much deeper

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

We defiantly do. We need elite midfielders. Especially with pick 1-5 next year most likely being KPP

2009/2010 grand final midfield.
Dal Santo
Hayes
Montagna
Goddard

2019 Grand final Midfield

J. Steven
???????
???????
???????

It's tough to work out things like this when players we pick next year would be 24 in 2019. Which is essentially the age of all the players you mentioned except Hayes in 2009.

We have 2-3 more like top 3 picks to come. As well as another 4-5 more top 20 picks. They will all be in their early 20's by the time 2019 comes around.

This is also saying that absolutely none of Ross, Newnes, Curren, Wright, Webster, Saunders, Savage take the next step (well, two or three steps).

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

We defiantly do. We need elite midfielders. Especially with pick 1-5 next year most likely being KPP

2009/2010 grand final midfield.
Dal Santo
Hayes
Montagna
Goddard

2019 Grand final Midfield

J. Steven
???????
???????
???????

Good debate..

Dal Santo > Steven
Montagna > Newnes (Think he'll develop into a nice player on the wing)
Hayes > Probably none yet but Ross could develop into a good midfielder.
Goddard > Murdoch? Hard to tell yet but hopefully..

We still have Nathan Wright, Daniel Markworth, Shane Savage etc who could become good footballers.

 

[Defacto]

Seb Ross has 6 kilos on him while being 1cm shorter, but the parameters are probably Shaggy who's still got 3kgs on him despite being quite slim to the ludicrous 16kgs that Jimmy Gwilt has on him. Jimmy Webster, who was very skinny this year was only 2kgs lighter, but is only 19 and judging by the photos that are up, he ain't lighter no more!

To put it into further perspective, Blake Acres, who is a baby, has 4kgs on him already...

If he wants to be a 'complete' mid rather than just outside or a flanker, he'd want maybe 5kgs by my count.

did a bit of research, his original weight was 74, so he has managed to put on 5 kilos by jan 2013. that weight would have been taken after his surgery, so i'm betting he would definitely weight north of 80

he did alright against a fit kerr and has no trouble getting the pill against very decent WAFL mids

 

[Jezzarayman]

Good debate..

Dal Santo > Billings
Montagna > Saunders/Steven
Hayes > Dumont / Probably none yet but Ross could develop into a good midfielder.
Goddard > Very hard to find

We still have Nathan Wright, Daniel Markworth, Shane Savage etc who could become good footballers.[/quote]

 

[Baker_for_PM]

Why don't we just take Dom Sheed (I think pefect fit for us) at three and see the rest of the clubs freakout at the options. May open up more sliders

 

[aussierulesrules]

Not directly as talented perhaps, but much much deeper

Not sure that Eddy spent too much time in the midfield in 2009/2010, but Ray and Gram certainly did (on the wings).

Hayes
Dal Santo
Montagna
Goddard
Ball (2009)
Jones
Ray
Gram

It was a good and reasonably deep group.

Plenty of potential for 2018, but we'll need a few to really step it up like say Joey did around the mid 20's and to draft and recruit really well in the meantime, starting this year.

Steven
Armo
Ross
Newnes
Curren
Wright
Saunders
Geary (tagging)
Savage
Webster
Murdoch
Markworth
Minchington

Kelly/Billings/Aish/KK
Acres/Taylor/Hartung/Crouch/Dunstan/Dumont/Cripps/Jones
Acres/Taylor/Hartung/Crouch/Dunstan/Dumont/Cripps/Jones

 

[aussierulesrules]

However from what I've read we like Hartung or Taylor whom according to Footy Tragic are both rated as late second or even early third round draft picks. Interesting.

There are plenty who rate Taylor as "clearly top 10 talent" though, after he racked up the possies at will at the champs and Hartung was also seen as potentially top 10 prior to the season and while he may have slipped a bit, after a bit of an up and down year and coming off a hand injury, there are apparently still some clubs who have him in their top 15 (according to Knightmare, who generally has a very good feel/mail for who is likely to go in the top 20) and there seems little doubt that he will go in the first 25. His combination of speed and epic endurance, combined with an ability to find plenty of the footy and use that speed to advantage will greatly appeal to some clubs.

It is interesting the wildly differing views on Taylor though. Some, as I said, see him as being easily top 10 on talent, liking his disposal, speed, ability to rack up the possies at will and so-on, while others, like Footy Tragic and Quigley, who do probably the two most in-depth and detailed phantom drafts going around, have him in the 40's, as they don't rate his smarts, don't think he is damaging enough with his kicks, think he gets too many cheap one-two handballs, don't think he kicks enough goals (apparently only kicked 3 this year ), think he will play mainly outside at AFL level (being so small) and because his tackling isn't up to scratch for someone who plays his sort of role (with one of them saying that he had clearly the shortest arm-span at the combine, making it hard for him to wrap anyone up in a tackle, when combined with how small he is).