List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Feerits Elf]

What is people's thoughts on this possible 4 way trade??

St kilda
In: Carlisle omeara
Out: pick 5, 2016 1st, 2015 3rd

Essendon
In: pick 10, 2015 3rd
Out: Carlisle,2016 2nd

Suns:
In: pick 5, 2016 1st,2016 2nd
Out: dixon, omeara

Power
In: Dixon
Out: pick 10

Bombers lose Carlisle for pick 10 and have to trade down a second-rounder in a strong draft to a third-rounder in a weak draft ...

 

[saintbondy]

No.

How else would you get the second future first rounder if not by acquiring it through trading?

I think you missed my point.

If we received Port's 2016 1st in that proposed trade, can we then pass that and our 2016 1st on to GC for O'meara?

 

[BilboJackins]

The obvious sweetener would require Essendon to give us Carlisle, 23 and 41 for pick 5. That means them adding a second round pick to the third they’ve allegedly offered through their leak. No sure thing given their stance thus far but more than reasonable.

That would mean we’d get Carlisle, Freeman and Rice PLUS one of these guys (if Cal Twomey’s latest phantom is accurate) ....
Harry McKay
Josh Dunkley
Riley Bonner
Clayton Oliver
Ryan Clarke
Mitch Hibberd

PLUS one of these guys at a "Lonie-value" pick at 41 ....
Aidyn Johnson
Kieran Lovell
Brayden Fiorini
Brandon White
Daniel Rioli
Sam Skinner

As an absolute final bid, that would be a win ....
.... and Jake would be saved the slow-drip torture of the PSD for committing to us.

With the Port deal, if Port wants a second rounder back (this year or next), then the above deal would be markedly better IMO.

FYI Cal Twomey only rates ability, it's not a phantom draft, doesn't consider clubs needs etc or take into account academy etc. Eg he has Hopper rated 3-4

 

[blktreacle]

But can your trade your first and somebody elses that you acquired?

I don't know

 

[gringo2011]

Is anyone else considering that Hinkley has already burnt the Power players out & their 1st pick next year be in a similar spot around the 9-12 mark?

I don't think so. I reckon they had injuries early and didn't ever really get moving. I expect them to swap places with Adelaide in the 8. They have some very good young guys in Winged, Wines and Polec who had less contribution this year. If they all come back to their best they will go pretty well. I reckon they finish around 5th.

 

[The_Steadier]

Honestly, I'd probably do the deal with port regardless. And then leave 10 on the table for Essendon's 25 and Carlisle. If that doesn't happen trade up to pick 8 with GWS.

I like the cut of your jib.
You're hired.

Initially i didn't know how i felt about the port, suns suggestion.
But I went and ate a mango (unrushed) with St Mark and I'm cool with it.

Go get 10 and another first rounder saints, figure the rest out later.

 

[Feerits Elf]

I think you missed my point.

If we received Port's 2016 1st in that proposed trade, can we then pass that and our 2016 1st on to GC for O'meara?

No. If you trade a future first-round selection, you can't trade another future selection from the same draft.

 

[saintbondy]

No. If you trade a future first-round selection, you can't trade another future selection from the same draft.

That rule is for your own picks... Isn't it?

 

[Periphery]

No. If you trade a future first-round selection, you can't trade another future selection from the same draft.

I doubt that rule sticks if you have two first rounders in the draft.

 

[Rors]

How can Essendon fans still keep up this BS about the Saints "sitting on their hands" while the Hawks "get things done"??

We have clearly been talking to all of Adelaide, Gold Coast, GWS and now Port about trading picks to help satisfy Essendon's request.

****wits, the lot of 'em!!!

That's why they have such a bad reputation in trading. They don't help anyone with any trades, even though it's in their best interest to do so as it would net a better outcome for them.

No wonder there's whispers of Dodoro being sacked after this trade period

 

[Feerits Elf]

That rule is for your own picks... Isn't it?

Ah I see ... so if you traded for that second future pick you might be able to trade it.

Who knows?

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

I think you missed my point.

If we received Port's 2016 1st in that proposed trade, can we then pass that and our 2016 1st on to GC for O'meara?

Yes

 

[L_W_P]

Unless Port are going to revamp their whole playing style they cant fit all of Schultz, Westhoff, Dixon, Ryder and Lobbe in their 22.

If their fixture has a few tough games early they could be behind the 8 ball again in 2016 and, being a team that seems to ride waves of momentum, they could be in trouble.

On the flip side, if they open with Melbourne at the MCG again ala 2013...

 

[The Jack Pack]

I will be very satisfied if the Port Adelaide deal comes to fruition.

On another note, all in favour of a self-imposed embargo against Essendon after this trade period?

 

[Stewart66]

That's ok, we'll be ready to jump up the ladder in 2017.

We either use them for gun kids, or someone like JOM.

Or Whitfield .

 

[Feerits Elf]

I will be very satisfied if the Port Adelaide deal comes to fruition.

On another note, all in favour of a self-imposed embargo against Essendon after this trade period?

Depends, we might yet enjoy trading with the Bombers.

 

[gringo2011]

The obvious sweetener would require Essendon to give us Carlisle, 23 and 41 for pick 5. That means them adding a second round pick to the third they’ve allegedly offered through their leak. No sure thing given their stance thus far but more than reasonable.

That would mean we’d get Carlisle, Freeman and Rice PLUS one of these guys (if Cal Twomey’s latest phantom is accurate) ....
Harry McKay
Josh Dunkley
Riley Bonner
Clayton Oliver
Ryan Clarke
Mitch Hibberd

PLUS one of these guys at a "Lonie-value" pick at 41 ....
Aidyn Johnson
Kieran Lovell
Brayden Fiorini
Brandon White
Daniel Rioli
Sam Skinner

As an absolute final bid, that would be a win ....
.... and Jake would be saved the slow-drip torture of the PSD for committing to us.

With the Port deal, if Port wants a second rounder back (this year or next), then the above deal would be markedly better IMO. Extra second rounder and flexibility saved for future trades.

I prefer Hisham Kerbatieh than Rioli he is a very accurate kick and very solid. He is like Puopolo. Rioli has some smooth moves but he's a bit messy, he reminds me of Daniel Motlop who had some mad skills but just sprayed the ball too much.

Oliver and Clarke from the first group look like solid 100 games plus players with a chance of being even better than imagined. Knightmare has them 7 and 8 on his power rankings straight after francis.

 

[CHBench]

Port getting reamed if that deal goes through.

But lmao Essendon, want Pick 5? Give us those 2nd rounders.

 

[Rors]

Or Whitfield .

Or 2 for 1....

Caleb Marchbank & Jack Steele please

Both OOC end of next year

 

[cowboysteel66]

Port getting reamed if that deal goes through.

the article reads like they have agreed to it. I wonder if we get that Aaron young as part of it for a late pick? Asking to much probably

 

[chris_h_11]

I don't understand all of these hypothetical deals to appease the Bombers. All we needed to do was show Carlisle we were trying to be fair and reasonable, which Friday's offer did. Once they knock that back, we should stop dealing with them and move on with our lives. We've got other deals to get on with, and we'll see Carlisle at the PSD.

 

[Periphery]

I'd laugh if we offered the Dons 10, they rejected it and we got Carlisle in the PSD.

If Matho is the player we wanted at 5 and we get him at 10, then we'd essentially be turning a 2nd rounder into a 1st next year.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

One bright side of that deal:

- currently, if Dodo declines and we head to PSD, we'll likely hold 5 until the end given it will be ongoing. Sure, pick a gun. But the gun might be Matho
- under that scenario, if Dodo declines, we have the two picks. Take Matho (hopefully) and get a free first rounder ( minus what we need to throw to Port to even up the pick 5 swap).

Hmmm

 

[Spider Eater]

• So 5 for 10 and 2016 first rounder
• 10 and 3rd rounder for Carlisle and 25
• 24 & 25 for pick 8
• 2016 2nd rounder for Freeman

Get Carlisle, Freeman and end up with more first round picks then what we started with... sounds allright!

 

[Periphery]

One bright side of that deal:

- currently, if Dodo declines and we head to PSD, we'll likely hold 5 until the end given it will be ongoing. Sure, pick a gun. But the gun might be Matho
- under that scenario, if Dodo declines, we have the two picks. Take Matho (hopefully) and get a free first rounder ( minus what we need to throw to Port to even up the pick 5 swap).

Hmmm

This is my thinking.

IMO we have to keep pick 10 if that deal happens.