Universal Love 2016/2017 Pre-season Thread

[dogs105]

Like I said you get votes for being better than everyone else in the team but if everyone plays crap what does it count for

No different to the brownlow it can be the worst game in history but votes will be allocated

Every player gets 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4. If you don't "play your role", you don't get a vote.

 

[marty36]

Because the post I quoted shows every vote awarded to every player in every game

Yes just had a look and looking at it I have now no doubt votes are given for mediocre performance

Seriously take a look at some if the votes given, I reckon they must give out vote cards to a cast who feel they have to put names down

Maybe I'm just a hard marker what a shambles like I said players do get votes for being ordinary

 

[marty36]

Every player gets 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4. If you don't "play your role", you don't get a vote.

Shambles shouldn't get a vote at all if you play like crap and looking at that list it's a disgrace

 

[beartoo]

You have ice on and off for 24-48 hours. Not on constantly.

There's a photo in the Advertiser of him with a bag of ice strapped to it. Unless Rooch photo-shopped it in

He's hurt his hamstring. Best case is he misses first two games. Hopefully it's no worse than that though every day the club doesn't say anything definitive you can add two extra weeks to his likely absence.

Ah, thanks. I saw him in the dugout in the last q and didn't see any ice, so assumed he was okay.

 

[dogs105]

Yes just had a look and looking at it I have now no doubt votes are given for mediocre performance

Seriously take a look at some if the votes given, I reckon they must give out vote cards to a cast who feel they have to put names down

Maybe I'm just a hard marker what a shambles like I said players do get votes for being ordinary

Maybe the coaches understand the roles better than you or me?

 

[marty36]

Every player gets 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4. If you don't "play your role", you don't get a vote.

Thinking they give out votes for encouragement not playing well

 

[dogs105]

Shambles shouldn't get a vote at all if you play like crap

Correct.
And that's precisely what my post says.

 

[marty36]

Maybe the coaches understand the roles better than you or me?

Maybe they do or feel an obligation to at least give out a certain number regardless of performance

Because it looks that way

 

[NTRabbit]

The new system seems to be more about ensuring everyone gets votes at some point in the year to be read out at the B&F, without impacting the final result that would come from either a singular or multi-coach 3-2-1

 

[Scorpus]

Thinking they give out votes for encouragement not playing well

In losses, it's pretty typical for one third of the squad to receive 0. I'd probably have that figure higher but they don't give votes to the entire squad in all games

 

[dogs105]

Thinking they give out votes for encouragement not playing well

That seems unlikely, as the votes aren't known until the count, and research shows that "encouragement feedback" needs to be timely to be effective.

 

[dogs105]

The new system seems to be more about ensuring everyone gets votes at some point in the year to be read out at the B&F, without impacting the final result

Yep, I'm pretty sure that's what they were aiming for...

 

[marty36]

In losses, it's pretty typical for one third of the squad to receive 0. I'd probably have that figure higher but they don't give votes to the entire squad in all games

Just had a look their are a number of players listed in some of those games they didn't even deserve to be in the team forget getting votes

 

[dogs105]

Maybe they do or feel an obligation to at least give out a certain number regardless of performance

Because it looks that way

Or else maybe the coaches understand the roles better than us

 

[dogs105]

Anyway, on a brighter note:

Jake Lever's dad says Jake is fit and will play r1 (from facebook).

 

[NTRabbit]

Yep, I'm pretty sure that's what they were aiming for...

Why does that seem incredulous to you? It seems very modern corporate "team building" to me

 

[dogs105]

Why does that seem incredulous to you? It seems very modern corporate "team building" to me

Incredulous that you think that's the main point of the voting. "More about ..."

 

[Elite Crow]

Maybe they do or feel an obligation to at least give out a certain number regardless of performance

Because it looks that way

Now that you know how the system works, imagine how bad you have to be to finish 22nd, especially if you are a senior player.

 

[Elite Crow]

Anyway, on a brighter note:

Jake Lever's dad says Jake is fit and will play r1 (from facebook).

What's Jakes dad doing on Facebook?

 

[dogs105]

What's Jakes dad doing on Facebook?

Posting gold, most of the time.

 

[Elite Crow]

Posting gold, most of the time.

On the Crows page?

 

[dogs105]

On the Crows page?

He comments on a lot of their stories. These comments were on the Crows facebook link to the article about "will kelly and otten" play

 

[NTRabbit]

Incredulous that you think that's the main point of the voting. "More about ..."

No, I said that's the main point of the new voting system, in which all of the coaches get to provide votes that are added together, and the minimum bar for getting 1 vote from 1 coach is "Played their role. Solid game without significant influence on the game", which amounts to running out, doing what you were told, and not making any serious mistakes. With such a low bar, and that many votes floating around, just about everyone who plays a senior game in the season is going to have some votes on the board at the B&F night, which is very modern corporate, everyone gets a gold star but the actual performers still get a watch with theirs, team building.

I brought the whole thing up trying to illustrate my position, and now I'll shut it down - I thought Matt Crouch's game was 2s from the coaches.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And will they issue all votes every game or will they miss if the whole team plays like crap

No link to that

If you play badly, you get no votes!

There are many more players getting votes when we play well v not.

Just review the past voting & you would soon find out.

Probably best now you quit whilst you are behind.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If you look at the votes breakdown it's obvious that in poor games, more players receive 0 votes or low votes.

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-09-23/club-champion-every-vote-

I don't know what you are trying to argue

marty36 just loves to argue... & don't even think he knows what he is arguing or saying much of the time lol.

I liken him to our class clown, though a passionate one.