List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Part 2

[adambrown]

Gold Coast would run away laughing maniacally.

Or was this some kind of sick joke?

Overrating Armo mate

 

[bird_man]

I'd prefer we tried to trade up rather than down, probably with GC.

 

[StCicatriz]

I think the top dozen players in this years draft are quite good. I think there are still good prospects in the top 30 but we can get a real gem if we keep pick 10.

It would have to be a pretty good deal for me to be happy about letting it go.

Theres some serious smokies in WA, id happily take 3 of these all available in those above mentioned picks:
Guelfi (inside mid)
Liam ryan (small fwd)
Strnadica (ruck fwd)
Fisher (outside mid)
Powell Pepper (half forward)

I think the following will be gone:
Logue (KPD)
Bolton (small fwd)
SPS
English (ruck)

If any of those slid youd be all over em

 

[Joffaboy]

Points wise it works.
Armo's had 1 good year out of 10 and probably should have been traded last year.

Disagree on just about every word of this post.

 

[sonnywalters]

Gold Coast would run away laughing maniacally.

Or was this some kind of sick joke?

It isnt actually that silly.
We use 27 on Steele.
Pick 21 and 23 are worth 1633 points or pick 7.

I reckon one genuine alternative is 10 + Armo for pick 8 and pick 27 from GC.
Then we use 27 on Steele and have pick 8 to use on a gun kid (e.g. Taranto). An upgrade in the draft.

 

[bird_man]

Armo, pick 10 and pick 38
For
Pick 6 and pick 27

 

[StCicatriz]

Armo, pick 10 and pick 38
For
Pick 6 and pick 27

Id rather the extra picks for steele and some smokies if we can move on some depth like shenton lee etc.

 

[Joffaboy]

It isnt actually that silly.
We use 27 on Steele.
Pick 21 and 23 are worth 1633 points or pick 7.

I reckon one genuine alternative is 10 + Armo for pick 8 and pick 27 from GC.
Then we use 27 on Steele and have pick 8 to use on a gun kid (e.g. Taranto). An upgrade in the draft.

What have points got to do with anything except F&S and academy picks?

Cannot be used to value trade pick worth. It is a false premis

 

[Rors]

I don't need to suit any argument.. I'm giving you 2 very good examples whereby contested possession is not the main ingredient to be successful.. I think we have enough inside mids .. we need to look at outside runners as a priority.. we won most of our games thru sheer unrelenting pressure which counter acts the lack of winning contested ball. We were good against the contested ball kings in the bulldogs because we pressured them around the ball by not allowing them to handball thru traffic because the bulldogs usually have 5 or more players around the ball, and once they get their hands free you're stuffed against them once they spread.

Anyway I've made my point and made yours

the part I bolded & underlined... I'd like that to be us & I'm sure our coach does too. Means they win possession inside & dish it outside & spread...

Exactly what I want us to be, in addition to our great pressure

 

[goodie23]

Everything's made up and the points don't matter. This is getting to be like Whose Line Is It Anyway

 

[bird_man]

Id rather the extra picks for steele and some smokies if we can move on some depth like shenton lee etc.

I reckon we need top notch quality

 

[Joffaboy]

Everything's made up and the points don't matter. This is getting to be like Whose Line Is It Anyway

Drew Carey and Wayne Brady for pick 10?

 

[From 45]

the part I bolded & underlined... I'd like that to be us & I'm sure our coach does too. Means they win possession inside & dish it outside & spread...

Exactly what I want us to be, in addition to our great pressure

Rors, they win it because they have more numbers at the contest . That's why you don't see them have a quick kick forward out of stoppages. Once you pressure the dogs and don't allow them to use their hands in congestion, you can beat them.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Can someone make up a rumour? I'm bored as ****.

 

[gringo2011]

On points that ranks Armo as a pick 17. Probably about right imo.
Given we have Dunstan and Ross in that position (and Acres and Steele) I dont mind this as an alternative option.

Would rather keep Armo then, we are trying to increase midfield depth not cut it back. It takes about 3 years before you get any real return on kids and we will lose a lot of experience when our oldies retire. It seems counter productive.

 

[CHBench]

Can someone make up a rumour? I'm bored as ****.

This board does have the shit talking ability to fabricate a rumour and have it gain enough legs to make it into the Herald Sun

 

[STK2020]

Hang on , im confused.
Arent we trying to ADD another contest winning midfielder to our existing group ?
Why would we trade Armo .

 

[bergholt]

Armo, pick 10 and pick 38
For
Pick 6 and pick 27

How did we get 38? That's currently Geelong's pick. We have 46:

https://www.draftguru.com.au/years/2016/provisional-draft-order

 

[gringo2011]

Gold Coast would run away laughing maniacally.

Or was this some kind of sick joke?

Yep pretty much that trade is 21 for Armo and 24 and 27 for pick 10. I'm not sure which of those is worse for us. The only way we do would trade either is for overs and both of those definitely not overs.

 

[lewdogs]

Overrating Armo mate

We've been killed in clearances regularly but you'd like to trade out our best clearance player? Just don't get it.

 

[Lightsxo]

It isnt actually that silly.
We use 27 on Steele.
Pick 21 and 23 are worth 1633 points or pick 7.

I reckon one genuine alternative is 10 + Armo for pick 8 and pick 27 from GC.
Then we use 27 on Steele and have pick 8 to use on a gun kid (e.g. Taranto). An upgrade in the draft.

I'd do that and run like a bandit.

Win-win I'd think. GC get a professional whose experienced and can help their depleted midfield. While we have great foot soldiers already but the more top end guns we get, the better.

 

[Plumber66]

How do they win the ball out without winning a contest?
A good contested ball winner will change those 50:50 contests to 70:30 contests. The game begins with a contest.

Not saying outsiders are not important.

Lets look at brownlow winners and average CP's the year they got it.
Fyfe: 18
Priddis : 15
Ablett: 15, 13
Watson*:14
Swan: 13
Judd: 14, 12
Cooney: 10
Bartel: 10
Goodes: 8, 8
Cousins: 10
Ricciouto: 10
Buckley: 11.5
Black: 12
Ackermanis: 9

Contested ball winning has always been part of what these champions do well, and seemingly its getting to be more of a factor of recent times. Though to get the Browlow obviously other skills are needed as well.

Steven 11
Armitage 10
Dunstan 8
Ross 8
If the ball goes to ground and Priddis, or Ablett or Fyfe are nearbye, there ARE no 50:50 contests.

My understanding is that they didn't mind losing the contested ball because of the work they did off the ball in causing turn overs, then their foot skills helped them maintain possession and score.

 

[Jade Buddha]

I reckon you might find that Armo is likely to rebound quick smart and start having a big impact in the middle. #dontrighthimoff

 

[adambrown]

We've been killed in clearances regularly but you'd like to trade out our best clearance player? Just don't get it.

Mate I believe with the natural progression of Dunstan, Ross, Acres, Gresh, Weller, Newnes along with adding Steele into that midfield Armo is expendable

 

[Masquerade]

I think Armo is one of those heart and soul players you don't just trade for the sake of it anyway. Pretty sure he has a Saints themed kitchen, and he's always quick to extend his contract as well. Then on top of that he's probably our best contested ball winner, which is an area of concern at this point in time. So if we do trade him, I'm not sure it'll be for just any pick.