Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Blubagger71]

My best 22 on the basis that everyone is awesome and it's s perfect world in 2018 ( WW3 hasn't started for example):

B: Byrne, Jones, Plowman
HB: Marchbank, Weitering, Docherty
C: Lang, Cripps, C. Curnow
HF: Murphy, Casboult, SPS
F: Pickett, McKay, Silvagni

R: Kruezer, E. Curnow, Kennedy

Int: Pick 3, Fisher, Williamson, Cunningham

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We both left out Simpson! Oversight? Upon reflection, in for Lang. Find out about him when one of the kids needs a break or injury arises.

 

[Laurence]

We both left out Simpson! Oversight? Upon reflection, in for Lang. Find out about him when one of the kids needs a break or injury arises.

Simmo is best 22 for at least another season..

Round 14 2018, Simmo 300th & Murphs 250th... maybe we get as much CFC there we can and host Adelaide on the G

 

[Blubagger71]

Nick Bowen? Fox footy gave us an A, winning every transaction. Only other A was the cheats. Rightfully gave the striped toothless a C.
SOS is the closest things to a God in the eyes of this atheist.

 

[RAPPA]

One must be cautious to assume our Geelong recruits are best 22 starters. Smedts was a stinker and Lang in no way warrants a place ahead of Wright

 

[Iamcarlton]

Cripps and Kennedy will rotate forward imo.


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Well going by those left foot snags of Kennedys in his highlight tape id agree with that assessment

 

[Gambelic]

You would think that Buckley and White would be gone from the list once the dust settles.

 

[F_therest]

Surely now the focus is Operation Gaff '18 and Shiel '19

Absolutely.

I like Gaff out of next years free agents since i think it's unlikely West Coast will match...i see them finishing outside the top 8 and just accepting the compo pick.

Players like Sloane and Lynch on the other hand will definitely be matched and a trade forced like Dangerfield which is understandable. Clubs will give up more than what the compo will be for those 2 players.

 

[Soapy V]

Well going by those left foot snags of Kennedys in his highlight tape id agree with that assessment

Cripps Kennedy Charlie pushing through mid/fwd is very dangerous

 

[Coona Blues]

You would think that Buckley and White would be gone from the list once the dust settles.

Agree Dylan has had enough chances. White is a favourite, so they will be reluctant to let him go,
with cap space surely we can facilitate an early exit for Palmer (as long as he doesn't want full price).
Sheehan interesting, Cat B rookie so no great effect on list numbers. If we want a 3rd delisting picking
from Graham, White and Boekhorst. See BB as having the most room for improvement.

 

[HARKER]

You would think that Buckley and White would be gone from the list once the dust settles.

Reckon it's 1. Palmer* 2. Buckley 3. Graham 4. Sheehan 5. White 6. Boekhorst________ * Because Palmer has asked out.

Lots to play out yet but at this stage, I feel we'll most likely lose Palmer & Buckley off the main list and sadly Sheehan off the rookie list.
Graham on a knifes edge, with Boekhorst & White likely getting another year.

 

[HARKER]

Byrne Marchbank Plowman
Docherty Weitering Williamson

****** Cripps Petrevski-Seton
Cuningham Kennedy Fisher

Pickett CCurnow Lang
JSilvagni McKay Polson

Macreadie #3 #10 Kerr

Our best 23 and under team, leading into next year?
Just need a young ruckman to round off the 22 and I did cheat a bit, because Docherty turned 24 last week, but.....

 

[ShanDog]

Why? We didn't upgrade pick 73 only to not use it.

Will probably be pick 65 by the time everything is done and dusted.

Only thing better than improving your own position in the game is lowering your opponent's.

Might turn out we use it, but if we don't, we've also denied the opportunity that particular pick presents another club. It's small fish stuff, but it all counts.

 

[JustaBattler]

Byrne Marchbank Plowman
Docherty McCreadie Williamson

HMcKay Cripps Petrevski-Seton
Cuningham Kennedy Fisher

Pickett CCurnow Lang
JSilvagni Weitering Polson

LeBois #3 #10 Kerr

Our best 23 and under team, leading into next year?
Just need a young ruckman to round off the 22 and I did cheat a bit, because Docherty turned 24 last week, but.....

Fixed?
Just for the fun of it....

 

[JustaBattler]

Oldies....**

Simpson A.Sylvagni White
Docherty* Rowe Buckley
Boekhurst XXX Smedts
Kreuzer Murphy Graham
Palmer Phillips Lamb
Wright Jones XXX

IC: Lobbe

** 2 to be delisted ...

 

[drewmont4]

Could we pick up brandon jack delisted from sydney could be a mature mid ?

 

[HARKER]

Oldies....**

Simpson A.Silvagni White
Docherty* Rowe Buckley
Boekhorst XXX Smedts
Kreuzer Murphy Graham
Palmer Phillips Lamb
Wright Jones XXX

IC: Lobbe

** 2 to be delisted ...

Casboult? ECurnow?

Gee that team looks awful. The young would give this group more than a good run.

 

[Robert Heatley]

Could we pick up brandon jack delisted from sydney could be a mature mid ?

Overall we are probably weighing up for the last spot or two on our list between

1. Buckley, White as unsigned current players

2. Cam O’Shea

3. Other mature VFL, WAFL or Safl players

4. Unsigned / delisted from other clubs, eg) Jack, Hartung, etc

O’Shea as a big mature body becomes more relevant I think post Gibbs.

 

[Jimmae]

Only thing better than improving your own position in the game is lowering your opponent's.

Might turn out we use it, but if we don't, we've also denied the opportunity that particular pick presents another club. It's small fish stuff, but it all counts.

I think we have a plan, but we may also pass.

But let's assume you're right, and we only delist one more player: I'll go with Buckley. Let's also assume that no one has to retire through injury, that Kerr and Polson secure new contracts on form, along with Thomas, Wright, Simpson and Boekhorst.

That still leaves Palmer, Rowe, Smedts, Lamb, Graham and White. That 4-5 draft picks and 1-2 free agents before trades. That's best case scenario.

Do you really think White is better than some of the kids we've been getting in that draft range? I don't, and what's more, I don't think his knee will hold up.

 

[ShanDog]

I think we have a plan, but we may also pass.

But let's assume you're right, and we only delist one more player: I'll go with Buckley. Let's also assume that no one has to retire through injury, that Kerr and Polson secure new contracts on form, along with Thomas, Wright, Simpson and Boekhorst.

That still leaves Palmer, Rowe, Smedts, Lamb, Graham and White. That 4-5 draft picks and 1-2 free agents before trades. That's best case scenario.

Do you really think White is better than some of the kids we've been getting in that draft range? I don't, and what's more, I don't think his knee will hold up.

Wait are we talking about late picks in this draft or the next one?

 

[KohPhi]

Would love to add an experienced mid as a DFA. Trengove, Jack etc even if it's just for insurance in case of injury.

 

[JustaBattler]

Casboult? ECurnow?

Gee that team looks awful. The young would give this group more than a good run.

Missed those two!

Oldies....**

Simpson A.Sylvagni White
Docherty* Jones Buckley
Boekhurst Thomas Smedts
Kreuzer Murphy E.Curnow
Palmer Casboult Graham
Wright Rowe Lamb

IC: Lobbe, Phillips

** 2 to be delisted ...

I reckon the oldies would probably beat the young ones or go very close....it would be a very low scoring game either way....!

 

[Jimmae]

Wait are we talking about late picks in this draft or the next one?

Both really, unless you think all of that will fall into place. I think we'll have two F/S bids to match, plus Simpson and Rowe will probably retire, unless we trade Jones.

Rest assured, 6+ picks next year means we'll be picking in the 80s of that draft.

Would love to add an experienced mid as a DFA. Trengove, Jack etc even if it's just for insurance in case of injury.

Suban might be your guy then, but I wouldn't.

 

[Soapy V]

Byrne Marchbank Plowman
Docherty Weitering Williamson

****** Cripps Petrevski-Seton
Cuningham Kennedy Fisher

Pickett CCurnow Lang
JSilvagni McKay Polson

Macreadie #3 #10 Kerr

Our best 23 and under team, leading into next year?
Just need a young ruckman to round off the 22 and I did cheat a bit, because Docherty turned 24 last week, but.....

dare I mention his name. He is on our list you know

 

[HARKER]

Yep. He sure is (gonna be better than depth).
List management is more than just drafting and trading. It's managing the cap, contracts, player expectations, balancing surplus vs injury cover, moving players around the field so as not to lose players like HMac.
Not easy decisions, but as I should have just said in my original post....I'd rather have too many talented players than not enough....

That sounds like a great idea and on face value it is, but talented players cost and you don't want to be wasting away the player and that money in the reserves. Ideally the balance has to be there, where your best and best paid players are largely driving the whole, with a sprinkling of the right type of disciplined and relatively cheap, foot-soldiers involved.

The last two years have seemingly thrown things into a spin, with unexpected premierships coming from The Dogs and The Tigers, but the balance will be restored where the best run clubs are the ones winning those premierships. It's just difficult to get that balance right and we certainly haven't done that in recent times by overpaying average players. We've come a long way in the past two years. Wouldn't want to lose that momentum now.

 

[bluebrew]

Subject to salary cap, Smedts & Palmer are contracted for next year so they may stay.

Sheehan, Buckley, Graham, Boekhorst & White are the ones who supposedly don't have contracts right now, you'd have to assume that any axings will come from that lot.

If we pay them out this year for their 2018 contracts would that help us in our total player payments?