Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread #2

[Monument Hills]

Whilst I rate Robertson I feel that from a list management perspective what you say misrepresents our list gaps.

For mine, clearly the major gaps are players with the combination of both outside run and skill, whether off half back, wing or half forward. Inside midfield options, young as some may be, are well covered in:

Fyfe,
Brayshaw,
Cerra,
Conca,
Blakely,
Valente
Acres

As well as Mundy and Walters for part time options.

But particularly for fast running high skilled wingmen and flankers....

Stephen Hill
Aish?
Switkowski???
Sturt?
Crowden???

Is a player like Lachie Ash with their combination of speed and skill a list need? Yes definitely. So is Dylan Stephens with his skillset. So is Henry. So is Jeremy Sharp. So is probably Young (I think his speed is decent enough, his kicking and decision making is fast and exquisite). All these players are essentially flank players at this stage, but they are absolutely the kind of talent and class + athleticism needed and indeed talked about by Longmuir.

Robertson is also very fast and not a dreadful kick and brings a range of other qualities as well, which kind of will balance up in that sordid task of assessing best available.

Despite some of the more pessimistic talk I think we will very likely see both Robertson and Stephens at our pick 7; despite simple geographic assumptions about Stephens (forgetting that he has lived mostly in Victoria) it has been rumoured for ages that Adelaide are just not that big om him and if there was a bigger talent around they would be seeking that. On the other hand it is reported that Carlton have put a bit of time into Stephens and not as much into Robertson, so it would not surprise me in that instance to see us to go Stephens at 7/8 over Robertson despite us apparently having told Robertson earlier that if he was at our first pick we would take him then, just simply because there is a higher probability that he would still be there at pick 10/11. The other risk factor there is whether a bid comes in for Henry.

thx. good to know. You're the expert so I will defer to your opinion

 

[mayne iac]

I cant believe there is some crazy chance that Young is available at our pick, if you havent seen his highlight reel it is quite simply a left foot thing of beauty. And an even more crazy chance that Stevens could also be there at our second pick....Maybe there is some change in the universe where getting Fremantle back to Fremantle is changing our shitty juju of the past. This is easily the most exciting draft we have had in years.

Unless of course we pass on both.

 

[Galapagoose]

I'm happy to recognise that we need some speed and skill on the outside but unlike other posters I'm not so convinced on our inside mid stocks. Many have been quick to recognise question marks over the outside options and I agree.

But, Valente hasn't played a game at Afl level and has been bogged down with injury, definitely should have question marks over him. Cerra has the potential but if we're to be realistic he needs to make a big jump. Blakely is a solid contributor but no world beater. Acres is in a similar boat to Blakely, hard to assess him seeing as he's been played out of position. And Conca isn't a long term option, solid lock down player but ideally you'd only want him rotating through there. Mundy's getting on and I think most would agree we don't want Walters getting beat up on the inside for four quarters.

I feel that many posters are over rating our inside stocks, the picture isn't overly rosy, we're all holding out for Blakely to increase his tank, Cerra to lift etc. Losing Neale was a massive loss and a bloke like Robertson is a walk up round 1 replacement if he gets his shoulder right. We'd be mad to pass on Robertson, let's stop relying on someone to get fit or bulk up or develop and just do the smart thing and pick Robertson.

We'll hopefully get 2 picks in before Henry, one can be spent on Robertson and another used to address our needs for speed and skill. Henry will also add speed and skill on the outside, it's a good start for one draft.

If we pick Robertson. What inside mids you picking next season? (We only need three unless they can play somewhere else). Take note Fyfe and Brayshaw are already poor AFL mid kicks and elite inside ball winners.

Fyfe, Cerra, Brayshaw, Robertson, Tucker, Blakely, Conca, Acres, Valente, Banfield, Crowden and North.

 

[blue shark]

Did mention Acres. I prefer Tucker on the wing, I know that's not always a popular opinion but he'll be good inside or out, still could have better than him. I like Banfield but all I'll say is he looks good for Peel doesn't he

I was trying to suggest we need to stop over rating our inside stocks.

Would love both Young and Stephens to fall to our picks but that's unlikely. One of those two with Robertson and Henry would be my ideal draft with maybe trading back in for Sharp.

To be fair with Jlo onboard its a clean slate, and Mundy's time is almost up. I do agree with you on some points, and getting Fyfe, Mundy, Walters forward
more could be a key.
As you say players like Conca, Blakely, will be handy but never A graders. Valente? Cerra's loyalty will be tested.
i'm slowly coming round to Robertson, but the other toys are so shiny.

 

[Swiggy]

1 Rowell Gold Coast
2 Anderson Gold Coast
3 Jackson Melbourne
4 young GWS
5 green GWS
6 Flanders Sydney
7 Stephens crows
8 Ash Fremantle
9 Serong Melbourne
10 Weightman Carlton
11 Robertson Fremantle
12 kemp hawks
13 McAsey port
14 Henry Fremantle
15 Pickett - bulldogs
16 worrell - Geelong
17 Bianco suns
18 Bergman port
19 Maginness hawks
20 Rantall Geelong

If Freo want sharp so they might try trade back in if he’s still on the board

 

[Purple_Turtle]

Unless of course we pass on both.

Wait, I thought Freo fans wanted us to just take the best of WA?

 

[cp3_jr]

Freo trading up to pick 8 in three way with Dees and crows

 

[blue shark]

Wait, I thought Freo fans wanted us to just take the best of WA?

Robertson, Henry were 1.2, from WA not so long ago, Jackson was always first round but where?

 

[dexter_]

 

[rgauci]

Freo trading up to pick 8 in three way with Dees and crows

good move I reckon

 

[wahooo]

If we pick Robertson. What inside mids you picking next season? (We only need three unless they can play somewhere else). Take note Fyfe and Brayshaw are already poor AFL mid kicks and elite inside ball winners.

Fyfe, Cerra, Brayshaw, Robertson, Tucker, Blakely, Conca, Acres, Valente, Banfield, Crowden and North.

Are you asking what inside mids we pick to play? Mate, I'm not a selector but we can pretty much categorically rule out Valente, Banfield, Crowden and North lining up round 1 next season, would be pretty grim if they were in there for the first centre square bounce of the season.

Tucker, Blakely, Conca and Acres could rotate through the middle but who knows what our best 22 will be round 1 next year. I see these blokes as role players who rotate through, not someone you rely on to win the ball and flip games. If we select Robertson he'd likely push one of these blokes out.

Fyfe, Brayshaw and Robertson (or Cerra) would look nice. I still have question marks over Cerra, whilst Robertson looks ready made.

Robertson is a class above Tucker, Blakely, Conca, Acres, Valente, Banfield, Crowden and North combined.

Not to mention, I think we'd all love to have Neale back in that midfield mix, Robertson would be a nice replacement for him.

This narrative of inside mids who can't kick is getting bloody old, half their kicks are under pressure. It's such an easy criticism to make and is way over used, it's everyone's go to criticism the second an inside mid is mentioned. You'll never get a chance to kick the ball if you don't have some spud winning it for you.

I admit we could do with a few silky, skillful blokes in our team but you just can't pass on Robertson.

There's a large difference between having too many quality inside mids and too many blokes who may or may not live up to their potential (or a freo supporters optimistic expectations) and maybe one day be a semi-decent inside mid. At this point in time we still lack quality, true inside mids.

 

[Alfonz]

We better not have agreed to one of these extortion trades being floated around.

 

[blue shark]

Maybe all 3 clubs know who they want, work together to make it happen?

 

[cp3_jr]

Looks like we’re getting 28, 49 and future 4th from crows for 22 and future 3rd.

Allows us to trade our future first this draft if we choose to.

 

[rgauci]

Looks like we’re getting 28, 49 and future 4th from crows for 22 and future 3rd.

Allows us to trade our future first this draft if we choose to.

Anyone clever enough to figure out points from 28 and 49 and how that compares to 22.

 

[raffrox]

Anyone clever enough to figure out points from 28 and 49 and how that compares to 22.

Pick 22 is worth 845 points.
Picks 28 and 49 are worth 964 points.

 

[Paracleet]

Anyone clever enough to figure out points from 28 and 49 and how that compares to 22.

 

[rgauci]

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only a 15% bonus, not sure why we needed to upgrade next years 4th rounder into a 3rd rounder.

 

[Joao]

only a 15% bonus, not sure why we needed to upgrade next years 4th rounder into a 3rd rounder.

I'd say something to do with getting from 10 to 8.

 

[Alfonz]

I hope our strategy is not simply 7+8 and then use up points for Henry. Going to be disappointed if we don't trade back in to get something extra in the teens/20's.

 

[Paracleet]

only a 15% bonus, not sure why we needed to upgrade next years 4th rounder into a 3rd rounder.

We get an 120 extra points this year, they get 110 extra points (based on mid table finishes) next year.

 

[cp3_jr]

Getting 8 for 10, 28 and future fourth

 

[CapitalA]

only a 15% bonus, not sure why we needed to upgrade next years 4th rounder into a 3rd rounder.

Might be so we have a full suite of 2020 picks which then enables us to trade that 2020 1st round pick although we have two 2020 2nd rounders so maybe we don't need to do that....

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[wayToGo_]

Has been confirmed we've moved from 10 to 8... no details on how yet.

 

[rgauci]

Getting 8 for 10, 28 and future fourth

not a great deal to be honest