Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

[fnerd]

Yeah of all the B/C graders mentioned on here for possible trades round here he’d be the one I reckon Macintosh would. provide the most value.

Would be regular 22, give us immediate cover for the loss of our 2 wings but can also play all over the field, is another strong lad to help provide cover for our young kids and comes from a very good system.

Plus wouldnt cost too much you would think both in trade and contract cost.

 

[Monument Hills]

I think there are quite varied definitions of 'rebuild' on here.

By the end of this drafting/trading period we'll have turned over near 40 players in 4 years with only Stephen Hill at 29 and old man Barra at 35 and everyone else 28 or younger (as a comparison, the guys down the road had 15 of their 22 in the prelim final 27 or older). Not sure what there is left to rebuild unless we are pulling down the renovations and giving it another go, which I think would be called something else.

Every team drops their oldies, injured, and potatoes each year and trades in anyone good they can get and loses those who want out, but that doesn't define a rebuild, just business as usual. So going forward, are we just doing business as usual or doing a clean out (rebuild)? My thought is the former but happy to be proven wrong.

 

[arsesmart]

Yeah of all the B/C graders mentioned on here for possible trades round here he’d be the one I reckon Macintosh would. provide the most value.

Would be regular 22, give us immediate cover for the loss of our 2 wings but can also play all over the field, is another strong lad to help provide cover for our young kids and comes from a very good system.

Plus wouldnt cost too much you would think both in trade and contract cost.

The cost would be the driving force on whether or not to pursue McIntosh for me. Certainly could see his value, even being a bit of a ball burner. I reckon a late second or early to mid third would be what I'd be willing, which we'd need to scrounge from somewhere. Maybe a future second even.

 

[wayToGo_]

There aren't that many trade temptation that really tickles our fancy this year though. The biggest immediate need is ready to go A-Grade midfielders and all that's really left is Kelly and I've my doubts on whether we'd even get close to value over likely cost for him. Maybe someone else has some ideas who might be gettable and fit that burning need.

I think we should make a big play for Kelly. Although it may be transactional initially (ie who is offering the most), as a previous Freo fan himself (I am pretty sure) I think he'd soon love his time at Freo and become really passionate about helping win Freo's first premiership. He'd cost a lot but there is little risk with him once we got him - local family, local wife, about to hit the prime age range. Geelong would want to deal with us over WCE, now both they and us need to convince him we'd be the better fit.

 

[Harry Reems]

Hagdorn said this morning that we are looking at Ben Sokol from Subiaco. Would be worth a rookie spot I suppose.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Hagdorn said this morning that we are looking at Ben Sokol from Subiaco. Would be worth a rookie spot I suppose.

Why do you always on only quote 6pr and Hagdorn?

Is this the best info on the club available?

 

[Superkoops]

The cost would be the driving force on whether or not to pursue McIntosh for me. Certainly could see his value, even being a bit of a ball burner. I reckon a late second or early to mid third would be what I'd be willing, which we'd need to scrounge from somewhere. Maybe a future second even.

I proposed this in an earlier post. After GC PP1 and compo picks. It is likely that Richmond will own picks at the end of second round and GC’s third round pick which will push back to 40.

First part is we trade Langdon for 21.

21 > Kamdyn McIntosh & 40 (or their late 30’s pick)

Also with regards to St Kilda I’m starting to think they really need some picks to get all their trades done (BHill, Zac Jones, Paddy Ryder). They may throw in Acres and another pick for our 25 as part of the BHill Trade.

BHill, 25, 80> 6, 58, Acres, 2020 3rd round

Others can argue whether that is a good deal but we’re essentially getting Acres for around a third round value.

 

[wayToGo_]

A club looking at a guy who kicked 60 goals this season (including 43 in his last 9 games). Crumpets is a genius.

 

[ripstickboiz]

Why do you always on only quote 6pr and Hagdorn?

Is this the best info on the club available?

Seems a bit of a low blow mate, he's just contributing to the thread

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Seems a bit of a low blow mate, he's just contributing to the thread

I'm just stating a fact

Quoting Hagdorn is hardly accurate

My old mate Harry is big enough to handle that comment

 

[Dockernut]

Mate, your on BF, dont kid yourself, you never had work productivity, come trade period you just wont bother hiding it...

Nah that’s fair.

 

[FreoRicci]

Mcintosh from Richmond will want out. Unless he’s being picked to replace Broad, a debutant ahead of him for the GF. Pretty much seals his fate

 

[arsesmart]

I think we should make a big play for Kelly. Although it may be transactional initially (ie who is offering the most), as a previous Freo fan himself (I am pretty sure) I think he'd soon love his time at Freo and become really passionate about helping win Freo's first premiership. He'd cost a lot but there is little risk with him once we got him - local family, local wife, about to hit the prime age range. Geelong would want to deal with us over WCE, now both they and us need to convince him we'd be the better fit.

My concern is that a big part of what makes Kelly so attractive is Geelong, i.e. a very experienced, stable, highly in-sync team. Take him out of that and put him in a much younger and more in flux team and the likelihood is he won't have the same capacity to produce anywhere near what he has over these past two seasons.

Given the asking price will be 3 first rounders or thereabouts, we stand a high chance of getting burnt.

 

[Harry Reems]

I'm just stating a fact

Quoting Hagdorn is hardly accurate

My old mate Harry is big enough to handle that comment

Cheers, now officially in tears after you have trashed me on here in front of my mates.



Hagdorn Rules, Okay!

 

[SiempreFreo]

Hagdorn said this morning that we are looking at Ben Sokol from Subiaco. Would be worth a rookie spot I suppose.

Yes please!

 

[rgauci]

My concern is that a big part of what makes Kelly so attractive is Geelong, i.e. a very experienced, stable, highly in-sync team. Take him out of that and put him in a much younger and more in flux team and the likelihood is he won't have the same capacity to produce anywhere near what he has over these past two seasons.

Given the asking price will be 3 first rounders or thereabouts, we stand a high chance of getting burnt.

3 first rounders is bullshit. It’s not even on the cards, it’s posturing.

 

[wayToGo_]

My concern is that a big part of what makes Kelly so attractive is Geelong, i.e. a very experienced, stable, highly in-sync team. Take him out of that and put him in a much younger and more in flux team and the likelihood is he won't have the same capacity to produce anywhere near what he has over these past two seasons.

Given the asking price will be 3 first rounders or thereabouts, we stand a high chance of getting burnt.

Think most underrate our midfield. It isn't that bad. We probably won the battle of the midfield more often than not - and it will take another step as Tucker, Brayshaw, Cerra all take another step. We just sucked at our efficiency between mid to forward. Didn't help when we lost all of Tabs, Hogan and Lobb which then made our small forwards defunct (Matera was brilliant until they all went down). And then our back line struggled without Pearce's leadership and others with niggles. Fyfe would take a lot of the pressure off Kelly, just like Danger does. Focus on Kelly and Fyfe/Walters might burn you and vice versa.

I watched Kelly most of 2017 and I actually think he'd be least effective in that "keepy off" WC style of play. South Freo didn't play like that when he was at his peak for them and neither does Geelong.

edit - 3 x 1st is BS. Scott was joking with the 4 1sts + Dusty obviously. We'd easily have the currency with plenty left over.

 

[Superkoops]

3 first rounders is bulls**t. It’s not even on the cards, it’s posturing.

Chris Scott actually said 4 first rounders and Dusty Martin. He then also said there was no way he could see a trade happening.

He was basically being a tosser and as you say posturing.

I’m happy to have a red hot crack at Kelly but we have to stick to our fair price and be willing to walk away. None of the Lachie Weller in reverse.

I made my position pretty clear on trade value. I’d be willing to offer our first (7) and second (25) picks and that is maximum. It is very close (marginally more I think) than what we got for Neale and on par (slightly less I think) for what we traded for Jesse Hogan.

If Kelly chooses WC but we see a Stalemate developing id see if Melbourne are willing to trade:
3,21 > 7, 25, Langdon

Then dangle 3 by itself in front of Geelong whilst those two argue. If it gets down to the last hours I’d say Geelong will come knocking with Kelly’s blessing. Also if no deal gets done boy are we in a good position to pick him up in the ND with that same pick 3, considering GC are a lock for Anderson/Rowell.

 

[Dale147]

Think most underrate our midfield. It isn't that bad. We probably won the battle of the midfield more often than not - and it will take another step as Tucker, Brayshaw, Cerra all take another step. We just sucked at our efficiency between mid to forward. Didn't help when we lost all of Tabs, Hogan and Lobb which then made our small forwards defunct (Matera was brilliant until they all went down). And then our back line struggled without Pearce's leadership and others with niggles. Fyfe would take a lot of the pressure off Kelly, just like Danger does. Focus on Kelly and Fyfe/Walters might burn you and vice versa.

I watched Kelly most of 2017 and I actually think he'd be least effective in that "keepy off" WC style of play. South Freo didn't play like that when he was at his peak for them and neither does Geelong.

edit - 3 x 1st is BS. Scott was joking with the 4 1sts + Dusty obviously. We'd easily have the currency with plenty left over.

And we’ve yet to see what Valente brings.

 

[Dockernut]

3 first rounders is bulls**t. It’s not even on the cards, it’s posturing.

Yeah that’s just Scott shitstirring. If he chooses us, the price comes down considerably IMO.

 

[arsesmart]

Think most underrate our midfield. It isn't that bad. We probably won the battle of the midfield more often than not - and it will take another step as Tucker, Brayshaw, Cerra all take another step. We just sucked at our efficiency between mid to forward. Didn't help when we lost all of Tabs, Hogan and Lobb which then made our small forwards defunct (Matera was brilliant until they all went down). And then our back line struggled without Pearce's leadership and others with niggles. Fyfe would take a lot of the pressure off Kelly, just like Danger does. Focus on Kelly and Fyfe/Walters might burn you and vice versa.

I watched Kelly most of 2017 and I actually think he'd be least effective in that "keepy off" WC style of play. South Freo didn't play like that when he was at his peak for them and neither does Geelong.

edit - 3 x 1st is BS. Scott was joking with the 4 1sts + Dusty obviously. We'd easily have the currency with plenty left over.

It's not so much about quality or style of midfield playing, it's about how cohesive they are as a team. Players tend to have greater opportunity to play at their optimum with a well seasoned team where the core has played so many games with each other. Freo are just the opposite, we're heavily reliant on youth and freshly minted Dockers week to week. Plus add in a new coach and another big signing and the disruption factor goes up even further.

As I said the 3 first rounders is the asking price, but Freo being in the race will reduce the drop amount from that ambit.

 

[Taylor]

I think our first pick this season will get it done. If Tim Kelly nominates Freo then we offer pick #7 and let it stew.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

I think our first pick this season will get it done. If Tim Kelly nominates Freo then we offer pick #7 and let it stew.

Kelly doesn't want to go to Freo so why would he nominate Freo

 

[FreoRicci]

Actually want two first rounds, would be great. Not sold on using pick 5 to Kelly. If we could package a player with picks and avoid that.
Hope we just play the passive role. Just sit on the side, whisper in Geelong’s ear saying we have better picks this year at the end of every day while they negotiate with west coast. That could get it done. They’ll dislike each other so much, Geelong would probably resign themselves to Freo. He’s not a necessary. Not for the price Geelong are after

 

[Taylor]

Kelly doesn't want to go to Freo so why would he nominate Freo

If Fremantle ends up with the nomination from Kelly then I'd expect to hear how he is earning more than Fyfe next season on a massive up front deal that averages the same as the West Coast offer, or slightly higher.