List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part II

[plugger66]

Better than Sam Rowe, or do you want Battle, Bruce and Acres to ruck if Rowan is out long term?

No I want a guy happy to play second who is a genuine ruck.

 

[majortinkle]

Who then kick it anywhere. Not sure another tall will be helped by that.

So brad hill then?

 

[plugger66]

I'm hoping that can be taught a bit. It looked like we had learnt to bomb it long to the top of the square as a get out of jail free card under Richo.

Interesting listening to Terry Wallet saying you can't play three tall forwards unless you have guns and that small forwards are more important. He went through Brisbane, WCE and Richmonds small artillery and they have so many more avenues to goal.

I’ve heard that before. I think I’ve said it a few times. Unlike you which I hope is right I just don’t think the mids have enough skill to use it well.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I couldn’t believe it when they picked him.
He couldn’t have been picked up by a better club from our point of view.

Absolutely.
If he’d been picked by a Victorian club it would have been far more difficult to bring him “home.”

 

[gringo2011]

Trade the off season before you have little need for them is the ideal. You need to know in advance is the trick. Probably a year away from that with Bruce and Dunstan. Not the case with Carlisle I’d say if we keep brown.

Steven is not going to be a premiership winner with us and we’ve coped without him. Take decent value for him I’d say

I’m ok reducing Bruce’s quality with some cheap ruck forward options if we play king as well as a third tall and the trade we get for Bruce makes us better in 3 years time. The cheap options seem to be signing extensions is an issue though

I don't want to be bottom 4 for another 3 years while we develop the Kings and lose the guys that make us competitive now. I don't think people realise how young our list is. Lose the mid career guys and the expected retirees and we are the youngest list in the comp. Guys like Bruce, Dunstan, Acres, Newnes etc aren't stars but they are the reason we aren't Gold Coast. Lose those and we are a bunch of exposed kids and Geary, Brown and Hanners.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I’ve heard that before. I think I’ve said it a few times. Unlike you which I hope is right I just don’t think the mids have enough skill to use it well.

I thought the previous two games ( before last week) that our mids kicked far more to the advantage of our forwards than they had in most previous games.

 

[gringo2011]

I’ve heard that before. I think I’ve said it a few times. Unlike you which I hope is right I just don’t think the mids have enough skill to use it well.

Lots of mids use the ball badly, Shiel is no better than Seb Ross and plenty of others are wasteful. You need to be able to deliver the ball in deep which Rats identified, and then pressure the ball so that you lock it in or score. You need guys who can punish when you do get the ball deep as well. That Melbourne game we went long, deep and found space. Adelaide really moved the ball out fast and precisely and we went back to panic kicking again.

 

[plugger66]

I thought the previous two games ( before last week) that our mids kicked far more to the advantage of our forwards than they had in most previous games.

Xmas comes once a year. Then there is Easter. I reckon we got both in 2 games.

 

[VDS66]

I don't want to be bottom 4 for another 3 years while we develop the Kings and lose the guys that make us competitive now. I don't think people realise how young our list is. Lose the mid career guys and the expected retirees and we are the youngest list in the comp. Guys like Bruce, Dunstan, Acres, Newnes etc aren't stars but they are the reason we aren't Gold Coast. Lose those and we are a bunch of exposed kids and Geary, Brown and Hanners.

Depends who you replace them with.

But given you only look at one side of the story, there's no point discussing it.

 

[plugger66]

Lots of mids use the ball badly, Shiel is no better than Seb Ross and plenty of others are wasteful. You need to be able to deliver the ball in deep which Rats identified, and then pressure the ball so that you lock it in or score. You need guys who can punish when you do get the ball deep as well. That Melbourne game we went long, deep and found space. Adelaide really moved the ball out fast and precisely and we went back to panic kicking again.

So the midfield isn’t the issue. Let’s get king then. You confuse me

 

[Diehard Saint]

Xmas comes once a year. Then there is Easter. I reckon we got both in 2 games.

But what it shows is that it can be done,

 

[VDS66]

Lots of mids use the ball badly, Shiel is no better than Seb Ross and plenty of others are wasteful. You need to be able to deliver the ball in deep which Rats identified, and then pressure the ball so that you lock it in or score. You need guys who can punish when you do get the ball deep as well. That Melbourne game we went long, deep and found space. Adelaide really moved the ball out fast and precisely and we went back to panic kicking again.

That's because are not good enough against better sides. Duh.

Keep the same players - get the same results...

 

[gringo2011]

Depends who you replace them with.

But given you only look at one side of the story, there's no point discussing it.

And what are you doing? I have a difference of opinion to you, maybe don't read it if you don't like it. I was responding to someone else anyway.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

I don’t think we have a big issue with getting the ball. Our problem is our mids don’t have enough class to use it

Agree with that, we are awful with our delivery forward.

I'm interested to see how we go after a pre-season with Ratts/whoever to see if the delivery issues are terminal or whether they improve with a tweaked gameplan and a different voice at training.

But in any case I want us targeting good users going forward, which is why Hill excites me the most out of those available. And I think we could have that sort of mid in Hunter Clark as well if he can transform his half-back form into the midfield next year.

 

[gringo2011]

That's because are not good enough against better sides. Duh.

Keep the same players - get the same results...

Or we keep drafting good kids and watch Hunter types develop into a mid and become a player. In the meantime we have older hard bodies to take the hits until he can own the role. It's the way development woks best. Dunstan is just coming good and might actually still be something decent. Steele similar, Gresham and Billings both improved a lot in unfamiliar roles and have further growth.. We can add a guy like Crouch or Hill for the Stuv trade with out giving up too much. Chasing a tall swingman is fantasy stuff that is just chasing rainbows for the cost of it. We should wait and see what he becomes in 12 months.

 

[triggering bro]

Charlie Constable (inside mid) & Ryan Abbott (ruck) for Stuv. Two birds one stone.

AFL 2019: Charlie Constable and Ryan Abbott loom as bargaining chips in Geelong’s chase of Jack Steven

Trade chips that could help Saints star get to Geelong

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[gringo2011]

So the midfield isn’t the issue. Let’s get king then. You confuse me

We need to add elite mids not okay mids otherwise we might as well wait for Gresham and Hunter to become good mids and just use Ross and Dunny util we can get something better. If we could turn stub into Crouch or Hill if he wants out makes sense because you lose one.

 

[bird_man]

Charlie Constable, come on down...

AFL 2019: Charlie Constable and Ryan Abbott loom as bargaining chips in Geelong’s chase of Jack Steven

Trade chips that could help Saints star get to Geelong

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[plugger66]

We need to add elite mids not okay mids otherwise we might as well wait for Gresham and Hunter to become good mids and just use Ross and Dunny util we can get something better. If we could turn stub into Crouch or Hill if he wants out makes sense because you lose one.

So the midfield is an issuer. Agreed

 

[bird_man]

Charlie Constable, come on down...

AFL 2019: Charlie Constable and Ryan Abbott loom as bargaining chips in Geelong’s chase of Jack Steven

Trade chips that could help Saints star get to Geelong

www.foxsports.com.au

Sandra

 

[gringo2011]

Charlie Constable (inside mid) & Ryan Abbott (ruck) for Stuv. Two birds one stone.

AFL 2019: Charlie Constable and Ryan Abbott loom as bargaining chips in Geelong’s chase of Jack Steven

Trade chips that could help Saints star get to Geelong

www.foxsports.com.au

Could do worse, Constable isn't my first choice of type, he's a bit slow and one dimensional but he gets his own ball and gets a lot of it. Can't remember Abbott to be honest but I have heard him talked about positively on radio.

 

[gringo2011]

So the midfield is an issuer. Agreed

It needs work to be elite but not as a bad as GC at this stage. We need to get stars in but the blocks are there to build something decent. I'm not as worried as I was.

 

[sunny3193]

Charlie Constable, come on down...

AFL 2019: Charlie Constable and Ryan Abbott loom as bargaining chips in Geelong’s chase of Jack Steven

Trade chips that could help Saints star get to Geelong

www.foxsports.com.au

Why would we want Constable when we’ve got a similar bodied, quicker, double sided version in Bytel?

 

[bird_man]

Could do worse, Constable isn't my first choice of type, he's a bit slow and one dimensional but he gets his own ball and gets a lot of it. Can't remember Abbott to be honest but I have heard him talked about positively on radio.

Abbott must be pretty ordinary. Cats have really struggled in the ruck department but he's still 4th in line.

 

[mightymalaka]

Paying 900k to get Crouch only to lose Dunstan would be madness in my view!