Training 2020 Pre Season Training

[Kane McGoodwin]

Doedee and Keath only played 4 games together in the AFL,
The two tall defenders that played with Doedee were either Talia, Hartigan or Otten,
In 2019 Keath was predominantly the 3rd defender with Talia and Hartigan playing the main defensive talls.
We are better now with McAsey and Butts and the 2nd tall defender than if we kept Keith who has shown one on one was his weakness.

Talia, Keath & Doedee were picked for round 1 last year. The only reason they ended up playing few games together was injury.

Bottom line is it will be a mistake to play Doedee as a 2nd tall defender unless the opposition have only 1 tall key forward.

Keath will out perform whoever we play at CHB this season, so you are very wrong on this count. Think he made the AFL team of the week 3 times last year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think the WB definitely recruited Keath to be a long term defender

What will be interesting is Keath's best games for us was as a 3rd defender where he had the luxury to come off his man an intercept

At WB je has been recruuted to be the #1 or 2 KPD and will need to play more of a lock down contested role. Im not yet convinced Keath has this skill set, I think he struggles a bit defending one on one in the defensive 50

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Keath played perfectly good games on key forwards.

Think people have him confused with Lever.

Would not surprise he ends up AA with the Bullies.

 

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Talia, Keath & Doedee were picked for round 1 last year. The only reason they ended up playing few games together was injury.

Bottom line is it will be a mistake to play Doedee as a 2nd tall defender unless the opposition have only 1 tall key forward.

Keath will out perform whoever we play at CHB this season, so you are very wrong on this count. Think he made the AFL team of the week 3 times last year.

Hartigan was injured for rd 1 in 2019 and was straight into the side for rd 2 as the 2nd tall defender Keith was moved to 3rd defender. The Crows tended to Play Hartigan as a tall lockdown defender before Keith who they used as a 3rd intercept defender. It would have been interesting to see what would have happen if Doedee did not do his knee.

Doedee will not be the 2nd tall that will be one of Hartigan, McAsey, Butts or Kelly. With Talia playing the number 1 defender. and if injury-hit us it will be Himmelberg, Frampton before Doedee plays that 2nd defender role.
And as mentioned Keith will need to improve his one on one defence, His intercept defending is his strength, Like Lever

 

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Keath played perfectly good games on key forwards.

Think people have him confused with Lever.

Would not surprise he ends up AA with the Bullies.

No he did not he rarely played a full game as a key defensive defender and when he did he was beaten. most games there was Talia and Hartigan in the side with him.
As for AA maybe he gets the Rance role.

 

[Jack is Back]

No he did not he rarely played a full game as a key defensive defender and when he did he was beaten. most games there was Talia and Hartigan in the side with him.
As for AA maybe he gets the Rance role.

Alex Keath has now played 30 AFL games. Any chance he might improve further in the next three years?

Providing they are not struck down by injuries, I predict there will be plenty of posts this year lamenting the fact that we didn’t agree to their contract demands. Since I believe we are in full on rebuilding mode, I still believe it was the correct decision but I expect some pain in the next two years.

 

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Alex Keath has now played 30 AFL games. Any chance he might improve further in the next three years?

Providing they are not struck down by injuries, I predict there will be plenty of posts this year lamenting the fact that we didn’t agree to their contract demands. Since I believe we are in full on rebuilding mode, I still believe it was the correct decision but I expect some pain in the next two years.

Yes he can, If he improves his one on one, maybe put on a few kgs, as well and he will be very helpful to the dogs, But one on one tall defenders was not our biggest weakness, Far from it. Not even a weakness in 2020.
Keith moving affected our intercepting, but with Doedee coming back that could be a 1 for 1, Or it could be a McAsey as he is not bad playing the intercepting role.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yes he can, If he improves his one on one, maybe put on a few kgs, as well and he will be very helpful to the dogs, But one on one tall defenders was not our biggest weakness, Far from it. Not even a weakness in 2020.
Keith moving affected our intercepting, but with Doedee coming back that could be a 1 for 1, Or it could be a McAsey as he is not bad playing the intercepting role.

You are keeping up a complete fallacy Keath can't play 1 on 1... Because he normally beats his opponent to the ball as he reads the ball well, rather than needs to body his opponent.

We should have kept him as he has a good 5 years quality football left in him.

 

[Mutineer]

You are keeping up a complete fallacy Keath can't play 1 on 1... Because he normally beats his opponent to the ball as he reads the ball well, rather than needs to body his opponent.

We should have kept him as he has a good 5 years quality football left in him.

How soon people forget how injury prone Keath has been, you are being way too optimistic unless his durability improves incrementally over those 5 years.

 

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You are keeping up a complete fallacy Keath can't play 1 on 1... Because he normally beats his opponent to the ball as he reads the ball well, rather than needs to body his opponent.

We should have kept him as he has a good 5 years quality football left in him.

Na, not a fallacy, one on one has always been a weakness from his early SANFL to his recent AFL days.
And to be honest, does he have 5 years of good football left in him, he 28 tomorrow, 5 years takes him to 33, Skill-wise yea he may last 5 years, But his Ankles may tell a different story, He had problems with his ankles in his cricket career and problem in his AFL career. He may get them right.
At this time he has been replaced by arguably a better player in McAsey, Would we have gone for McAsey if we kept him properly yes, Worrel may have missed out.
But keeping him could have meant a better player sitting in the SANFL in McAsey while we give games to Keith.
And what would have happened to our rebuild when Talia, Keith and Hartigan retire at the same time.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

How soon people forget how injury prone Keath has been, you are being way too optimistic unless his durability improves incrementally over those 5 years.

Played 18 games last year, so appears to becoming more durable to AFL compared to 1st couple of years changeover from cricket.

His best football is ahead of him.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Na, not a fallacy, one on one has always been a weakness from his early SANFL to his recent AFL days.
And to be honest, does he have 5 years of good football left in him, he 28 tomorrow, 5 years takes him to 33, Skill-wise yea he may last 5 years, But his Ankles may tell a different story, He had problems with his ankles in his cricket career and problem in his AFL career. He may get them right.
At this time he has been replaced by arguably a better player in McAsey, Would we have gone for McAsey if we kept him properly yes, Worrel may have missed out.
But keeping him could have meant a better player sitting in the SANFL in McAsey while we give games to Keith.
And what would have happened to our rebuild when Talia, Keith and Hartigan retire at the same time.

1st year McAsey is not going to be anywhere near Keath standard. I doubt McAsey will play much AFL this year.

We could have kept Keath whilst McAsey developed in the Sanfl. As it is we may end up playing Hartigan or look to Butts or Himmelberg, who are not at Keath's level.

 

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1st year McAsey is not going to be anywhere near Keath standard. I doubt McAsey will play much AFL this year.

We could have kept Keath whilst McAsey developed in the Sanfl. As it is we may end up playing Hartigan or look to Butts or Himmelberg, who are not at Keath's level.

You forgetting we offer Keith a 2-year deal, McAsey will play 10 plus this year and most games in 2021, in 2022 he will be established,
And for KPD it's beyond 2021 we need to look, Talia and Hartigan are close to the same age, along with Keith. keeping all of them would have created a large hole in 3 plus years.
At this stage, by the time Talia ready to go McAsey will have 3 years.
And Butts is not far behind Keith even better at his disposal and One on One more reliable as well, Based on Last year he just needs more size to really take on the giants.
No, Keith was not worth a longer contract than 2/3years base on all our experience KPD being the same age. not when it was already decided we were going into a mini rebuild.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You forgetting we offer Keith a 2-year deal, McAsey will play 10 plus this year and most games in 2021, in 2022 he will be established,
And for KPD it's beyond 2021 we need to look, Talia and Hartigan are close to the same age, along with Keith. keeping all of them would have created a large hole in 3 plus years.
At this stage, by the time Talia ready to go McAsey will have 3 years.
And Butts is not far behind Keith even better at his disposal and One on One more reliable as well, Based on Last year he just needs more size to really take on the giants.
No, Keith was not worth a longer contract than 2/3years base on all our experience KPD being the same age. not when it was already decided we were going into a mini rebuild.

For goodness sake it's Keath!

Can't take you seriously if you keep getting his name wrong... though it's like you are talking about someone else.

 

[crows dude]

Talia, Keath & Doedee were picked for round 1 last year. The only reason they ended up playing few games together was injury.

Bottom line is it will be a mistake to play Doedee as a 2nd tall defender unless the opposition have only 1 tall key forward.

Keath will out perform whoever we play at CHB this season, so you are very wrong on this count. Think he made the AFL team of the week 3 times last year.

Keath has been smashed when been made to play one on one. His strength like Doedee is being the third man interceptor

 

[Jinglebells32]

The issue isn't huge losses. It's that we aren't replacing that output with immediately better players. At best, their replacements will be talented juniors which always come with a bit of inconsistency.

So our squad isn't necessarily worse, but it's not better either, and we already finished 12th. With other teams around us improving, maybe we have a bad injury run, it's not hard to imagine us finishing bottom 6

I don't know why anyone would be disappointed with a bottom 6 finish this season as long as we are getting games into our young, exciting kids. The biggest issue last season was seeing Douglas, Mackay, Sauce and co getting games over the young kids who were playing well in the reserves who are the future of our club and need experience as quickly as possible.

 

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For goodness sake it's Keath!

Can't take you seriously if you keep getting his name wrong... though it's like you are talking about someone else.

Yea auto-correct, problems, have corrected again seem to change when I change Locations on my PC.
And I am talking about Alex Keath who will be 28 tomorrow, A player I have watched play 15 SANFL and 30 AFL games since he came to the Crows, so no I have not mixed player up.

 

[Mego Red]

Different players though. Keath is taller & can play on a key forward.

Before Doedee's injury, we were playing Talia, Keath & Doedee as the 3rd tall. Now we need to play someone else as our 2nd tall. Imo, given we are in rebuild mode it should not be Hartigan, who should be experienced cover for Talia, but the youngster who puts their hand up.

Were we?

How often did we play Keath as a KPD when we had a fit Hartigan?

 

[Mego Red]

Keath played perfectly good games on key forwards.

Think people have him confused with Lever.

Would not surprise he ends up AA with the Bullies.

No, that's completely untrue.

Keath was terrible when he had to play one-on-one as a key defender. His numbers were dramatically better in 2019.

 

[hey shorty]

You are keeping up a complete fallacy Keath can't play 1 on 1... Because he normally beats his opponent to the ball as he reads the ball well, rather than needs to body his opponent.

We should have kept him as he has a good 5 years quality football left in him.

He COULD have, but that would've taken him to 33 which would've been 5 years of wasted development.

I think you're wrong about his 1v1 ability though, he was quite poor in that regard, as was Lever but the Snake is only 22. Plenty of physical development left in him.

Given we've had 2 young kids come in and perform the role Keath did to a very similar level before Alex but with better footskills I'd say we've made the correct decision.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Well I guess it's near unanimous - just as well we traded out Keath given all his limitations (must have fluked all those AFL teams of the week... Which we had so many players making).

Would explain why we traded him for buggar all to the Dogs.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No, that's completely untrue.

Keath was terrible when he had to play one-on-one as a key defender. His numbers were dramatically better in 2019.

Isn't 2019 the most relevant year?

 

[hey shorty]

Well I guess it's near unanimous - just as well we traded out Keath given all his limitations (must have fluked all those AFL teams of the week... Which we had so many players making).

Would explain why we traded him for buggar all to the Dogs.

Don't be a child.

He was important this year, but you can't suggest we haven't found it easy to find floating tall defenders in the past, and judging by his season in the SANFL Jordy Butts looks a great prospect.

Richmond just won a flag without Alex Rance did they not ??

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Don't be a child.

He was important this year, but you can't suggest we haven't found it easy to find floating tall defenders in the past, and judging by his season in the SANFL Jordy Butts looks a great prospect.

Richmond just won a flag without Alex Rance did they not ??

No, it's funny how posters talk down a player after they have left the club... pretending that it will minimise our loss.

Keath will way out perform anyone we play at CHB. Bookmark it.

How many of our players made the team of the week last year many times?

 

[hey shorty]

No, it's funny how posters talk down a player after they have left the club... pretending that it will minimise our loss.

Keath will way out perform anyone we play at CHB. Bookmark it.

How many of our players made the team of the week last year many times?

And so he should, he's in his 4th season compared to our guys who've barely played a game.

No one here is saying he's a bad player, you've made that one up all by yourself. It would have been poor list management to match a 4 year deal on a 30 game 28yo given where we are heading as a club.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And so he should, he's in his 4th season compared to our guys who've barely played a game.

No one here is saying he's a bad player, you've made that one up all by yourself. It would have been poor list management to match a 4 year deal on a 30 game 28yo given where we are heading as a club.

There have been posters saying Keath will be easily replaced... so I'm hardly making it up. He will be missed & imo given we traded him away for buggar all, should have traded Hartigan instead.