List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[ShireSwan]

I doubt we'd pay out Sinclair's contract so soon after both parties signed it. It would be an awful look anyway IMO.

Only suggested it as I assumed they signed Sinkers when no obvious others to be had. Then Ladhams pops up.
Sinkers seemed set to retire anyways. So if they wanted to give him $100k retirement send off I'm sure he'd be fine about it. I'm sure Sinkers knows he'd only be getting a game or two barring injury

Don't even know if they could do that anyways...

 

[kneecapper]

One of the inescapable side effects of being a club outside the core football markets is that our good players often fly completely under the media radar and, as a consequence, they are consistently undervalued when it comes to trades. When Dawson kicked 3 and collected 26 possessions against the Dogs in Round 17, I was amazed by how many supporters on their board either hadn't heard of him at all or were shocked by such a great performance by an apparent "spud". Just shows the pathetic quality of media coverage our players receive interstate.

 

[FreeAgent1]

So funny isn't it, the whole country knows pick 15-17 for Dawson is very fair value especially since he isn't contracted and wants to return home and earn $50K more.....

What are you still doing here? I have seen you state you are getting him for free in PSD about 20 times….

You realise that even if you eventually create a bot account to agree with yourself it doesn’t impact the trade in real life…..

 

[ABAB]

What are you still doing here? I have seen you state you are getting him for free in PSD about 20 times….

You realise that even if you eventually create a bot account to agree with yourself it doesn’t impact the trade in real life…..

I just thought the respond after I said Ladhams was worth pick 31 was very eye opening......there's no doubt we tried to be very reasonable and you guys knock back pick 15/17 (massive surprise there), even Dawson would be pissed off with Sydney.

 

[ABAB]

One of the inescapable side effects of being a club outside the core football markets is that our good players often fly completely under the media radar and, as a consequence, they are consistently undervalued when it comes to trades. When Dawson kicked 3 and collected 26 possessions against the Dogs in Round 17, I was amazed by how many supporters on their board either hadn't heard of him at all or were shocked by such a great performance by an apparent "spud". Just shows the pathetic quality of media coverage our players receive interstate.

The Crows chased him well before that performance......

 

[Kiama Chris]

The Crows chased him well before that performance......

Now we KNOW you're just trolling.
Moderator, please remove this irritant.

 

[Membling]

I just thought the respond after I said Ladhams was worth pick 31 was very eye opening......there's no doubt we tried to be very reasonable and you guys knock back pick 15/17 (massive surprise there), even Dawson would be pissed off with Sydney.

I would argue that crows offers have been more posturing than legitmate. Even using your usual mouth piece to "break" the news. Very clever

 

[ABAB]

Now we KNOW you're just trolling.
Moderator, please remove this irritant.

 

[caesar88]

McLean isn't mobile enough to be more than a top 25ish type player. McDonald though obviously not as strong can take as many marks inside 50 now, much less in a few years, AND get up and down the ground. I'm a bit mystified if you can't see a chasm in their respective potential.

Perhaps we pay out Sinkers contract if we get Ladhams. Sinkers seemed fine about retiring anyways and would prob take 50 cents on the dollar to walk off into the sunset.

I just see McLean and Logan as two different types, and just because Logan may not be as "limited" in terms of assets as McLean is, I still think McLean could be very good at what HE does. He won't ever be roaming the ground kicking goals from outside 50 like Logan, but I think he could be damn good as a deep forward clunking them.

We all love an athletic, mobile forward but there are different ways to be effective as a forward and I'm not prepared to rule out McLean being better at his schtick than Logan is at his.

 

[WCE_Talk]

TBH it seems very left field.
No doubting Barass' quality, but why would Sydney raise the idea with WCE, unless we had already spoken to Barass or his manager?

We wouldn't normally expect to prise someone like him out of WA, so what gives us the confidence to even ask the question?

Is Barass really open to the idea of a move or is he using Sydney's apparent interest to prod WCE to offer a better contract?
He would clearly be a required player at WCE and I'd imagine your salary cap will open up with retirements in the next year or two, so he should be well looked after.

I can see why Sydney would be interested, but it would be most unusual for a player like he to leave their home state, where they would be well paid.
So all a bit strange IMO and who leaked the story?

Unless WCE are intending to go full rebuild and seeking draft picks I can't see them willing to let Barass go and certainly not this off-season when they are still retaining veterans for one last tilt.

There have been rumours that Barrass isn’t happy with his role mate, he basically has to cover for McGovern and that takes away from Barrass’s game

I don’t think it’ll happen, but it’s definitely possible that Sydney could convince him IMO, things are a bit dull here at West Coast.


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[ABAB]

I would argue that crows offers have been more posturing than legitmate. Even using your usual mouth piece to "break" the news. Very clever

No, the offer was reported by multiple football channels. It was only the over the top pick 4 + 17 for Dawson + 12 which Theo reported, even Dawson would be shaking his head in disbelieve and probably why we leaked this over the top demand by Sydney.

 

[Rhino5]

I’m surprised at the lukewarm reaction to Ladhams. I reckon if you were scouring team lists for backup rucks with upside, he’d be close to the top of the list.

Yes we have Hickey, but he was a short-term fix that turned out better than anyone expected for us. He’s great, but I’d be nervous about injury with him and we don’t have great depth. Ladhams would be a really solid pickup.

 

[Troystenvic]

No, the offer was reported by multiple football channels. It was only the over the top pick 4 + 17 for Dawson + 12 which Theo reported, even Dawson would be shaking his head in disbelieve.

I'm sure we know what Jordan is thinking. Knowing Jordan I would think he would want a win win for everyone.

 

[Membling]

No, the offer was reported by multiple football channels. It was only the over the top pick 4 + 17 for Dawson + 12 which Theo reported, even Dawson would be shaking his head in disbelieve.

Ahhh... you will find that it was Broken by Theo on his twitter page.... just like swans counter offer.

Surely, you are not that naive to think that this is not a ploy to force a trade early and for under what was requested and/or attemot to lay the ground work for PSD so there isn't trade relationship backlash.

 

[DobmusEdge]

I doubt we'd pay out Sinclair's contract so soon after both parties signed it. It would be an awful look anyway IMO.

Eagles did that with Priddis in 2017 and he was a Brownlow medalist. Then they won the flag. There was no awful look about it in any way from the Eagles perspective

 

[Dubai Quacker]

There have been rumours that Barrass isn’t happy with his role mate, he basically has to cover for McGovern and that takes away from Barrass’s game

I don’t think it’ll happen, but it’s definitely possible that Sydney could convince him IMO, things are a bit dull here at West Coast.


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I’d be very surprised if WC let Barrass go readily, with Hurn near the end & McGovern becoming injury prone.

 

[Kapers]

I’m surprised at the lukewarm reaction to Ladhams. I reckon if you were scouring team lists for backup rucks with upside, he’d be close to the top of the list.

Yes we have Hickey, but he was a short-term fix that turned out better than anyone expected for us. He’s great, but I’d be nervous about injury with him and we don’t have great depth. Ladhams would be a really solid pickup.

I think the issue is that we've just signed 3 ruck/forwards lol. We could of probably let 1 of McLean, Armatey, and Sinclair go if we knew that Ladhams was waiting in the wings.

Now we're going to be trying to fit Hickey, Armatey, McLean, AND Ladhams into the same side, all of which have shown very impressive signs.

 

[ABAB]

Ahhh... you will find that it was Broken by Theo on his twitter page.... just like swans counter offer.

Surely, you are not that naive to think that this is not a ploy to force a trade early and for under what was requested and/or attemot to lay the ground work for PSD so there isn't trade relationship backlash.

No, it was also reported at AFL.com.au that the Bulldogs and Crows were willing to do the trade for pick 17 if Sydney agree.

 

[hairy biker]

There have been rumours that Barrass isn’t happy with his role mate, he basically has to cover for McGovern and that takes away from Barrass’s game

I don’t think it’ll happen, but it’s definitely possible that Sydney could convince him IMO, things are a bit dull here at West Coast.

I actually wrote this about McGovern last week;

As an aside (Kane) Cornes puts the boot (IMO rightly so) into Jeremy McGovern over his performances last season.

He has become an extremely lazy player, who plays the way he wants, when he wants. Number of times he turns his back on the play and trots back to the goal line, when an opposition player takes a mark on the 50 is amazing. And supposedly on close to a $mill pa.

I can understand other defenders being pissed about the way McGovern plays.
Sure he can be one of the best interceptors going around, but sometimes you just need to be accountable, particularly if you are supposed to be one of the team's leaders.

Personally I'd take Barass over McGovern every day of the week.

 

[DobmusEdge]

I'm sure we know what Jordan is thinking. Knowing Jordan I would think he would want a win win for everyone.

Jordan’s thinking “I don’t think Crows fans have much to worry about”

 

[SSwans2011]

Pick 17 and then equivalent of 15 was a win-win for everyone and then Sydney had to go and knock this back twice and then had the nerve to demand pick 4 + 17 for Dawson + pick 12, you don't think Dawson wouldn't be pissed with Sydney delaying him wanting to go home and earn $50K more with that over the top demand. Now even Port Power is gunning for your pick 12 for Ladhams.....YIKES.

THE NERVE

YIKES

 

[caesar88]

I think the issue is that we've just signed 3 ruck/forwards lol. We could of probably let 1 of McLean, Armatey, and Sinclair go if we knew that Ladhams was waiting in the wings.

Now we're going to be trying to fit Hickey, Armatey, McLean, AND Ladhams into the same side, all of which have shown very impressive signs.

There will be an unlucky one or two, no doubt. But that problem very quickly goes away once Buddy/Hickey gets injured and/or retire. And let's face it, both are more likely than unlikely to happen over the next few years.

I am all aboard a future line-up of Ladhams & Amartey rucking, and the two Macs forward.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

There will be an unlucky one or two, no doubt. But that problem very quickly goes away once Buddy/Hickey gets injured and/or retire. And let's face it, both are more likely than unlikely to happen over the next few years.

I am all aboard a future line-up of Ladhams & Amartey rucking, and the two Macs forward.

Problem is what’s the plan next year because MCDonald ain’t sitting in the twos all year long. I get it we need a ruck post Hickey but we need games into MCDonald before Buddy retires

 

[Kapers]

There will be an unlucky one or two, no doubt. But that problem very quickly goes away once Buddy/Hickey gets injured and/or retire. And let's face it, both are more likely than unlikely to happen over the next few years.

I am all aboard a future line-up of Ladhams & Amartey rucking, and the two Macs forward.

Yeah, but it just feels like the Swans had a plan and Ladhams wasn't part of it, and now that he may come over here we could making a new plan on the fly.

 

[caesar88]

Problem is what’s the plan next year because MCDonald ain’t sitting in the twos all year long. I get it we need a ruck post Hickey but we need games into MCDonald before Buddy retires

With all due respect I cbf getting into that again. Made my opinion on it very clear earlier.