List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals
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LukeParkerno1
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There are read bodied mids in every draft and especuially at the range we are picking.
Yeah. Outside of injuries I can't see how any of our draftees this year will get a go unless they are a KPD or have the most insane pre-season
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All we needed to be premiership contenders was not lose Dawson.
Draft won't fix that today.
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But it doesn't matter if they're ready or not, they need the opportunity and that opening in the side will be unlikely to come given that in front of them will be half a dozen others who are even more capable. Of course that changes with injuries and such, but I think it would have to be a few injuries given the queue of other mids we have waiting for more midfield rotations - Gulden, Campbell, Stephens etc.
I disagree.
I think all we need now is progress from Stephens, Campbell and McDonald.
And a key defender.
Club must think our mids are alright given we just shipped out a quality one.
There'll hopefully be a mini slider out of Sinn, Draper or Johnson as I'm a bit pessimistic on us actually using our 1st pick on van Rooyen even if he's rated thereabouts. If we grabbed one of them, just have to hope for Bazzo to be available at 31ish (maybe unlikely). Dean and Alleer are more intercept defenders, but I think we'd have to take a punt on one of them if we missed out on both JVR and Bazzo. Maybe Dean more likely at our 3rd pick.
Looking more at the mids available around pick 18, I'm getting more torn between my still preferred option of just grabbing JVR, or a quality mid, and taking the risk that there'll be a KPD at our 2nd round picks. While there's question marks over which end JVR will play at, he's already 91kg (McCartin was 84 at draft time), so if we want someone to be physically ready sooner, it might have to be him and that means pick 18. The fact there's talk about us, and Warner or Dittmar, give me some hope we'll just grab JVR, then use our later picks on mids.
There'll hopefully be a mini slider out of Sinn, Draper or Johnson as I'm a bit pessimistic on us actually using our 1st pick on van Rooyen even if he's rated thereabouts. If we grabbed one of them, just have to hope for Bazzo to be available at 31ish (maybe unlikely). Dean and Alleer are more intercept defenders, but I think we'd have to take a punt on one of them if we missed out on both JVR and Bazzo. Maybe Dean more likely at our 3rd pick.
Looking more at the mids available around pick 18, I'm getting more torn between my still preferred option of just grabbing JVR, or a quality mid, and taking the risk that there'll be a KPD at our 2nd round picks. While there's question marks over which end JVR will play at, he's already 91kg (McCartin was 84 at draft time), so if we want someone to be physically ready sooner, it might have to be him and that means pick 18. The fact there's talk about us, and Warner or Dittmar, give me some hope we'll just grab JVR, then use our later picks on mids.
LukeParkerno1
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I'd mainly be picking for 3 years down the track, we need a Kennedy replacement, everyone will point to Warner or Rowy but we need depth there. It's why I'd pick an inside mid and what I call a POD mid, although the second one could be a running defender too. I'd definitely dress a KPD at one selection.
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Similar thoughts, I'd personally go best available at 18, I'm pretty big on this. JVR would be best available as the ultimate swing man, personally would draft him to play defence though. If he's unavailable then you'd be nuts to not go small and have a view of one of the other defenders like Bazzo, etc being there at our next pick. I'd like to trade out our F2 for another pick in the 20's (Richmond ideally)
Can I get a few people's opinions on the talls in the draft? I don't see JVR as much more than Bazzo imo. JVR has the potential to go forward, but really we want a dedicated defender. Who is the better lockdown? I 100% think we should go for a KPD, but I think Bazzo will be a more solid choice imo.
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Fair enough. I'm fairly confident the club will take at least one mid and one key defender prospect in the draft, it just depends on where in the draft they think they can get the best options. ie. Maybe they will back their long-running tradition of turning late picks/rookies into quality defenders and we'll use a lower pick to nab one and take a mid with our early selection. Or maybe we think we can find quality mids later in the draft so we'll take a tall with our first. Both are equally likely scenarios. Just because Charlie Gardiner suggested we'd be adding to our midfield stocks, doesn't mean we'll be doing so with our first pick.
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Depends what you want really, Bazzo is the more lockdown true defender, but JVR the better talent. I know many aren't too high on him but Leek Alleer I wouldn't mind, has a risk attached though but athletically he's up there.
Only going by write-ups, but Bazzo actually started out as a forward, then moved back, similar to JVR. There doesn't seem to be a lot between them, but JVR probably more hype up forward, maybe a bit more versatile around the ground too. I'd be fine with either, especially if we were able to get Bazzo at 31 after bringing in someone else at 18, but then as I mentioned, JVR is probably going to be ready to impact sooner.
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LukeParkerno1
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100% I agree, have a feeling if JVR is there at our pick he won't slide past us. Issue is GWS are picking ahead and boy they need taels they have mids coming out of their you know whats. If he's there I'd be stunned if he's not picked I just don't think he'll be there.
Alleer and Dean are more intercept defenders. If we're looking for someone who has already played and shown promise as a lockdown KPD (which is what we need), then it's JVR or Bazzo, or some unspecified late pick or rookie that we don't know about.
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JVR looks to have a lot of footy smarts and that goes a long way, but really if we get any of the 3 I mentioned that's fine.
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Correct we sort of need both types back there not fussed really. Ideally grab JVK at 18 and then a mid at our next pick, and if a Alleer the drops to our third consider going 2 defenders, albeit I would rather not go two defenders.
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Unless the club wants a more true contested defender, of which Bazzo sounds more suitable. If they want him, and are confident they can find mids later in the draft (which isn't unreasonable given their track record), then they'll grab Bazzo with our first. I doubt they would leave it to chance that he'll still be available at our pick 31.
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That would be against what I would do and it's purely and simply about reaching, I really don't like it and never have liked it.
I'm hoping we have some contingency plans in place if JVR goes before 18, we do some trading to move back a few spots with 18 (to early 20s), bring 31 forward (to mid 20s), and then grab Bazzo and the best available outside mid/winger (or at least a hybrid mid with some foot skills), before hoping one or more of Warner, Dittmar, Sheldrick, Dean, Alleer are around at 39. We're also likely to get Anderson as an inside option in the rookie draft (or at pick 70 if we have to), which although he's less certain, bolsters the inside mids depth a bit.
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LukeParkerno1
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Even moving back and backing a future 3rd for next year. if we want Bazzo drop back a few spots.
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I don't know when a club rating a player and not being willing to leave it to chance that he'll be available at a later pick became "reaching".
Let's say the club went into the draft identifying a contested inside mid and a true key defender as targets. And let's say for example the club decided Chesser was the best inside mid and Bazzo was the best defender available at their first pick. When it comes to choosing who to take, Beatson & Dalrymple would look at which would be easier to find at a later pick. If they think there are more quality inside mids in the draft pool than there are quality defenders, then they will take the key defender with their first.
It's a similar scenario in 2019, when Serong seemed like a reasonably obvious choice as a gun inside mid (who supported the Swans, no less), but the club went for more of a speedy inside-outside type in Stephens because they had the inside bull Warner in their sights with a later pick. Maybe they didn't feel as confident that the draft pool was as heavy with inside-outside mids as it was with inside bulls, so if they pulled the trigger on Serong, they might've missed out on the other.
Instead, by "reaching", they ended up getting both the speedy inside-outside mid and the inside bull. A similar scenario could play out this draft, where we "reach" for Bazzo with our first, with the confidence that there are enough inside mids or outside mid types - like a Warner or an Anderson or a Dittmar - throughout the draft pool to get with later picks. You'd consider it reaching, the club would consider it maximising their draft hand to ensure their draft intentions are met.
Pick 4 would of not fixed that either would of slightly eased the disappointment i guess.
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