List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[Bloods86]

Ladhams really wanting to come to us I see as a real positive. He's a top line ruckman and at the price we got was a free hit, a shift down in the first when there is stuff all between 10 and 25, meh.

Two KPD is overkill for me especially in a draft that is thin for them. Get one whether that be Van Rooyan or one in the second round, but that's it there's more next year.

"Top line ruckman" isn't based on anything though. Maybe he will be, but was regarded at Port as a fwd/ruck, with Hayes as the better pure ruck. I'm fine if he just turns out to be a good fwd/2nd ruck though, might have to be no.1 for a few years regardless.

JVR is primarily a KPF, but can swing back. So there's flexibility there, especially if we grabbed another KPD. Just going by that list of our 2023 KPFs, we might need to address it at some point (and god knows our KPD depth is suspect by 2023).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

"Top line ruckman" isn't based on anything though. Maybe he will be, but was regarded at Port as a fwd/ruck, with Hayes as the better pure ruck. I'm fine if he just turns out to be a good fwd/2nd ruck though, might have to be no.1 for a few years regardless.

JVR is primarily a KPF, but can swing back. So there's flexibility there, especially if we grabbed another KPD. Just going by that list of our 2023 KPFs, we might need to address it at some point (and god knows our KPD depth is suspect by 2023).

His games when he played as a ruck were top quality. I do have queries on next year and Hickey is there, but long term this was the play we literally paid a pick in the 30's worth for a guy who can genuinely ruck.

JVR has been better in defence, think many see him as a defender first and foremost. My view is if we don't get him that's fine, get a Sinn type, or Sons at our pick (whatever mid/running defender), then look at a defender at our second and there is a few around there.

Just don't want to see reaches if JVR is off the table.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

His games when he played as a ruck were top quality. I do have queries on next year and Hickey is there, but long term this was the play we literally paid a pick in the 30's worth for a guy who can genuinely ruck.

JVR has been better in defence, think many see him as a defender first and foremost. My view is if we don't get him that's fine, get a Sinn type, or Sons at our pick (whatever mid/running defender), then look at a defender at our second and there is a few around there.

Just don't want to see reaches if JVR is off the table.

Not sure where you get the "JVR has been better in defence" theory from?

His last 6 games this year in the WAFL Colts yielded bags of 4, 4, 3, 2, 5 and 6 goals.

Not quite the hallmark of a defender.

The only bloke to really quieten him down was Bazzo.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Not sure where you get the "JVR has been better in defence" theory from?

His last 6 games this year in the WAFL Colts yielded bags of 4, 4, 3, 2, 5 and 6 goals.

Not quite the hallmark of a defender.

The only bloke to really quieten him down was Bazzo.

I'm confident saying he'll be a defender mainly who can pinch hit forward, actually reminds me a bit of Hurley when he came through. That said if we think he's a forward, I would take a small and worry about the defenders at our second or third pick.

 

[Bloods86]

His games when he played as a ruck were top quality. I do have queries on next year and Hickey is there, but long term this was the play we literally paid a pick in the 30's worth for a guy who can genuinely ruck.

JVR has been better in defence, think many see him as a defender first and foremost. My view is if we don't get him that's fine, get a Sinn type, or Sons at our pick (whatever mid/running defender), then look at a defender at our second and there is a few around there.

Just don't want to see reaches if JVR is off the table.

He competed with Darcy which was promising, beat up on teams with no real ruck, and got toweled up by Grundy - so a mixed bag. He's still young for a ruck, but I think his prowess so far is being overstated.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He competed with Darcy which was promising, beat up on teams with no real ruck, and got toweled up by Grundy - so a mixed bag. He's still young for a ruck, but I think his prowess so far is being overstated.

At the price it's a free hit, we literally gave up a 3rd rounder for a ruck at 23 who has shown he can compete with the best of them. Like all rucks he's a year or two away at least and that's fine we have Hickey taking 80% for those two years.

 

[Bloods86]

At the price it's a free hit, we literally gave up a 3rd rounder for a ruck at 23 who has shown he can compete with the best of them. Like all rucks he's a year or two away at least and that's fine we have Hickey taking 80% for those two years.

Oh yeah I think we won that trade easily. I expect he'll be best 22 for a long time, but just maybe not as no.1 ruck. We'll have to use him as no.1 for a year or two in between Hickey and the kids probably, regardless. My list priorities were initially KPD, Ruck, KPF then looking at mids or general defenders. Since we picked up Ladhams, will get King next year, I think KPD is the only one that needs addressing in some way this year (while we wait to see how McLean, Amartey develop), so using a pick or two on mids/smalls is fine.

I'm hoping Hickey lasts the 2 years, that way we'll have McAndrew getting towards readiness, Amartey will be a known quantity (yes or no), and Ladhams will undoubtedly improve (the question is how much). King will still be a year or two away, but we'll hopefully have an A grader, plus a solid backup out of those 4.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Oh yeah I think we won that trade easily. I expect he'll be best 22 for a long time, but just maybe not as no.1 ruck. We'll have to use him as no.1 for a year or two in between Hickey and the kids probably, regardless. My list priorities were initially KPD, Ruck, KPF then looking at mids or general defenders. Since we picked up Ladhams, will get King next year, I think KPD is the only one that needs addressing in some way this year (while we wait to see how McLean, Amartey develop), so using a pick or two on mids/smalls is fine.

I'm hoping Hickey lasts the 2 years, that way we'll have McAndrew getting towards readiness, Amartey will be a known quantity (yes or no), and Ladhams will undoubtedly improve (the question is how much). King will still be a year or two away, but we'll hopefully have an A grader, plus a solid backup out of those 4.

I’d also like a running defender it’s why if Sinn is there I’d take him. We can get a KPD at our second pick

 

[Bloods86]

I’d also like a running defender it’s why if Sinn is there I’d take him. We can get a KPD at our second pick

Yeah there should be one or two of the 5 or 6 available, still there with pick 31ish, just depends on whether we see someone as daylight above the rest. I'd prefer we shuffle picks to get a couple in the 20s to do that, than use pick 18 for a reach, but it'll all depend on the clubs evaluations anyway.

 

[Ticky009]

Ladhams really wanting to come to us I see as a real positive. He's a top line ruckman and at the price we got was a free hit, a shift down in the first when there is stuff all between 10 and 25, meh.

Two KPD is overkill for me especially in a draft that is thin for them. Get one whether that be Van Rooyan or one in the second round, but that's it there's more next year.

Let's be realistic. Ladhams came to us because we were one of the few clubs willing to pay is back ended contract for next year. It's well known his manager approached the Dogs in addition to ourselves.

We won the job interview, that's it. Whether he finally learns to apply himself, which has been an issue as far back as his draft year remains to be seen.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah there should be one or two of the 5 or 6 available, still there with pick 31ish, just depends on whether we see someone as daylight above the rest. I'd prefer we shuffle picks to get a couple in the 20s to do that, than use pick 18 for a reach, but it'll all depend on the clubs evaluations anyway.

I would like to flip our f2 for one of Richmonds 2nds. I agree with your thinking getting an extra second would be ideal

 

[Bandicoot]

He competed with Darcy which was promising, beat up on teams with no real ruck, and got toweled up by Grundy - so a mixed bag. He's still young for a ruck, but I think his prowess so far is being overstated.

Most young rucks get towelled up by Grundy. No shame there.

 

[Bandicoot]

I’d also like a running defender it’s why if Sinn is there I’d take him. We can get a KPD at our second pick

With all the various mock drafts going around, Sinn has varied from pick 9 to our pick at 18.
As long as however it is has elite foot skills, such as Sinn, I'll be happy.

 

[Bloods86]

Most young rucks get towelled up by Grundy. No shame there.

Not at all, but I see people talking about how he was a star when he had about 4 games as no.1 ruck for Port. He wasn't, not even close. The competitiveness against Darcy was good, but I don't think you can take much from the other games.

 

[anotherletdown]

I’d also like a running defender it’s why if Sinn is there I’d take him. We can get a KPD at our second pick

Why no interest in Darcy Wilmot? For all the hype Sinn carries, I still rate Wilmot higher as a running defender

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Why no interest in Darcy Wilmot? For all the hype Sinn carries, I still rate Wilmot higher as a running defender

Sinn has top level disposal and have him as one of the very top in terms of potential.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Let's be realistic. Ladhams came to us because we were one of the few clubs willing to pay is back ended contract for next year. It's well known his manager approached the Dogs in addition to ourselves.

We won the job interview, that's it. Whether he finally learns to apply himself, which has been an issue as far back as his draft year remains to be seen.

We'll know soon enough.
If he does, everything's coming up roses.
If not, chances are McLean and Amartey will be better because they DO apply themselves.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We'll know soon enough.
If he does, everything's coming up roses.
If not, chances are McLean and Amartey will be better because they DO apply themselves.

All up to him we have little to lose considering we gave up nothing really

 

[Swansujelly]

Hickey and Ladhams has the potential to be top 3 ruck combos next year.

 

[killablood]

Why no interest in Darcy Wilmot? For all the hype Sinn carries, I still rate Wilmot higher as a running defender

Sam banks is another with run and elite foot skills, he has missed a bit of footy but looks like he has alot of scope for improvement. Would be interested with our 3rd pick maybe?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Sam banks is another with run and elite foot skills, he has missed a bit of footy but looks like he has alot of scope for improvement. Would be interested with our 3rd pick maybe?

There is a few in that range it really depends how we approach it whether it is defenders first then the mids (or smalls) or do we take the defender at the second round. I expect if JVR is available I’d be shocked if he’s not called. Suits a need and would be best available anyway.

 

[killablood]

There is a few in that range it really depends how we approach it whether it is defenders first then the mids (or smalls) or do we take the defender at the second round. I expect if JVR is available I’d be shocked if he’s not called. Suits a need and would be best available anyway.

what i wouldn't do to get 5 minutes inside Kinnears head! This is just like Christmas, I hope you have all been nice! How many more sleeps?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

what i wouldn't do to get 5 minutes inside Kinnears head! This is just like Christmas, I hope you have all been nice! How many more sleeps?

Yeah hahahahaha love the draft

 

[Wolftone]

Whatly don't we approach Luke Partington

Luke Partington

Age

27

Ht

181cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

3star

G

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.6

3star

from Glenelg as a preseason draft Rookie Mid. He is a ANFL Magary Medalist, 25 next year, and topped Glenelg B & F yet again. This is in a team that won every game except the 2nd Semi and GF. He is a premiership player in 2019. He could be midfield depth mow while we draft the kids.

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[Wolftone]

He wasn't delisted because he wasn't good, it was oppurtunity and position surplus.

I think Brander is really talented and is going to achieve that talent soon. McLean is a good tryer who I like but I take Brander every time until I see enough from either to change my mind.

Anyway this is all irrelevant as he has already signed elsewhere, I have just wanted him since his draft year. I think we draft him instead of Ling if WCE didn't swoop in.

It's all academic. GWS are taking him.

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