List Mgmt. 2021 Draft Picks part deux: 4/33/75
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Personally I see it going like this:
Pick 1. JFH (North)
Pick 2. Daicos (Pies) matched bid
Pick 3. Andrew (GWS)
Pick 4. Darcy (Dogs) matched bid
Pick 5. Gibcus (GC)
Pick 6. Callaghan (Crows)
Pick 7. Rachele (Hawks)
Pick 8. Erasmus (Freo)
Pick 9. Hobbs (Tigers)
Pick 10. Ward (Freo)
Pick 1. JFH (North)
Pick 2. Daicos (Pies) matched bid
Pick 3. Andrew (GWS)
Pick 4. Darcy (Dogs) matched bid
Pick 5. Gibcus (GC)
Pick 6. Callaghan (Crows)
Pick 7. Rachele (Hawks)
Pick 8. Erasmus (Freo)
Pick 9. Hobbs (Tigers)
Pick 10. Ward (Freo)
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It hurts Collingwood, but it doesn't help North much. At best it moves their pick 72 up a bit. That implies that it benefits other clubs more than it benefits North - so why do it?
Looking at Lore's table, early bids on JHF & Darcy probably help teams with multiple picks in the late 40s-50s: GWS, Essendon and Melbourne. So GWS have an incentive to bid on both, but North don't.
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If Callaghan does fall to us I imagine offers will be coming thick and fast for our pick, may be to good to refuse.
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I think you might find GWS and then GC field big offers to get their picks before there would be any chance he falls to our pick
Not sure, would have to do the maths taking into account the discount ... but the difference between matching #1 and pick #2 is usually a mid 30s pick right? How that flows through to North probably depends on all the other matches that happen, but I would have thought it would help Norths two picks in the 40s quite a bit?
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AFL Draft 2021: Follow the latest news and moves
The Giants will shape this month’s AFL Draft at pick two. The club’s recruiting boss opens up on their plans, bidding on Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy and more.
That's an interesting interview - he actually spoke very clearly about the importance of "fit" as well as talent. Which seems another way to say "need" ...
He mentioned both Caldwell and Hately who were 1st rounders leaving for more opportunities because their midfield is stacked. I think GWS are more worried about who Gold Coast are going to select as they are the only other club in the top 7 or so that may be wanting a tall
Gold Coast could be into either Gibcus or Andrew. So if GWS are dead keen on either, then it is a big risk to trade down.
If they are happy to take either, then they would be silly not to trade down with us or the Hawks
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Say they were happy with either Andrew or Gibcus. They could then farm pick 2 with a trade with GC for pick 3 by gaining extra 2022 draft capital. They could then look to further trade that pick for multiple 1sts making sure 1 of them was still in a position to take the other of Andrew or Gibcus
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Without doing the actual maths I'm assuming Collingwood will lose their picks in the 30s no matter when the bid is made, it's their picks in the 50s and late 40s that they'll keep if there's a later bid.
Similarly WB lose pick 23 irrespective of when there's a bid on Darcy, it's their picks in the 40-50s that they might get to keep with a later bid.
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None whatsoever, in fact they're standout traits in his all round package.
Josh Rachele Draft Profile
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POSITION: Small Forward/Midfielder
SNAPSHOT: “A mercurial forward who has drawn comparisons to GWS star Toby Greene, Rachele boasts unbelievable smarts, skills, and a keen eye for goal.”
One of the most freakishly talented players in this year’s draft crop is Josh Rachele, a dynamic midfielder-forward out of the Murray Bushrangers. He has long been a standout among his peers, having taken out the Kevin Sheehan Medal (Division 1 MVP) and Vic Country MVP at the 2019 Under 16 National Championships. He made his NAB League debut soon after and averaged 18 disposals and two goals per his four games as a 16-year-old, before returning with as many outings this season to go with Under 19 Vic Country representation. Rachele comes from an elite soccer background, bringing the quick feet and smiling goal celebrations one would expect, but also a hard edge when rolling through midfield. With a slick turn of speed and sublime skills, the 18-year-old has an awesome highlight reel and bucketloads of potential. He is the best small forward available.
STRENGTHS:
+ Skills
+ Smarts
+ Finishing
+ Athleticism
+ Clean hands
+ X-factor
IMPROVEMENTS:
– Consistency
– Defensive work rate
Arguably a top five prospect on pure talent, Rachele does plenty of things well. While he expressed a desire for more midfield minutes during preseason, the 18-year-old played mostly forward for Murray and Vic Country, showcasing his range of skills and unbelievably good goal sense. Consistently able to hit the scoreboard, he earned player of the week honours in Round 11 for his six-goal haul against Northern, and was named in the APS and NAB League teams of the year.
Rachele’s collection of traits really shine when posted up forward. He brings explosive athletic traits; able to leap high for overhead marks, burn his opponents with pure speed, or weave a web around them. With these factors combined, he is not only a valuable ground level player inside 50, but also a viable target on the lead when working up to half-forward. In all levels of play, he makes things happen.
Along with his athletic power comes finesse, with Rachele’s clean hands and ball use also important assets. He collects the ball one-touch in the air and off the deck, and is consistently able to make good decisions by hand and foot. His smarts also come into play here and when around goal, Rachele’s finishing is lethal. Whether it be via set shots, snaps, attempts on the run, or efforts from outside 50, the exciting small can slot goals from all angles and on both feet.
Rachele is the type of player whose best form is irresistible, offering game-breaking quality. He has the kind of x-factor which can turn games and his several hauls of multiple goals across many levels of football proves exactly that. Furthermore, he adds a bit of spark in midfield. In an otherwise quiet Challenge Match for Vic Country, Rachele lifted when moved on-ball and looks a different player in there with his contested nous and evasive technique. It is something we haven’t seen as much recently, but was a feature of his Under 16 carnival.
A factor which may be holding Rachele back from more midfield time is his consistency, and consistency of effort. He has developed into a player who impacts in spurts, dominating periods of a game rather than the full four quarters. You get the sense he knows just how good he is, and might not seek to prove it with each act. There are games where he simply looks on, but others where he is less energised and raring to break the game open.
Should Rachele build his tank and enhance his two-way effort, he can become an unstoppable small forward/midfielder in the modern game. Aware of some of his defensive deficiencies, he stated in preseason that he wanted to take his tackling inside 50 to the next level. He averaged 3.8 per game in the NAB League this year and is ominous when making a menace of himself, but can work on bringing that intensity for longer periods.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 6-12
SUMMARY:
Rachele is a player who, at his best, has top five potential. As the leading small forward in this year’s cohort, his stocks will be boosted even further and he will likely tempt clubs inside the top 10. Work rate and consistency are essential in the modern game, but can easily be developed in an elite environment. Rachele will be drafted based on what he does so well, and there are plenty of traits which fans will quickly come to enjoy. He’s a bums-on-seat type of talent, and one capable of pulling off what others simply cannot.
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Footy-starved Vic prospects could get final chance to shine
The AFL is exploring the prospect of holding skills and testing sessions for Victorian draft prospects, a week ahead of the draft
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Footy-starved Vic prospects could get final chance to shine
The AFL is exploring the prospect of holding skills and testing sessions for Victorian draft prospects, a week ahead of the draft
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Be good if these writers updated their player measurements since the Combines..Ben Hobbs is now 183cm and 80kg, Finn Callaghan 189cm and 82kg, Josh Rachele 180cm 78Kg.
Adelaide, Port Adelaide draft preview: All the key questions for both clubs are answered
Adelaide is set to add another of the country's best young talents to its list. We assess the leading contenders to become a Crow at pick 4.
Who is the next top Crow?
After Riley Thilthorpe became the highest Adelaide draftee in history in 2020, going at pick 2 after the club made a bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, the Crows have another chance to add a top talent to their list.
Currently at pick 4, which is likely to be pick 6 once father-son bids for Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy come in, the Crows won’t be able to select South Australia’s best prospect for the second year in a row — with Jason Horne-Francis off to North Melbourne.
So, who will the Crows take to help their rebuild go to the next level?
The Sunday Mail assesses a few of the leading candidates.
Midfielder Finn Callaghan would be a great pick for the Crows. Picture: Michael Klein
Finn Callaghan, Sandringham Dragons
With Horne-Francis all but assured of being selected by North Melbourne, it is Callaghan who has become the top “live” prospect available to clubs.
So impressed are clubs with the 190cm midfielder, who boasts run, carry, athleticism and kicking, that several teams are poised to try and make a move up the order and nab GWS’ pick 2.
The Crows are understood to be one of them, after trying to get the Kangaroos to part with pick 1.
They, like most clubs have inquired about the Sandringham product who has significantly risen up draft boards this year.
Callaghan’s father Brett was the national 400m champion and represented Australia at the 1994 Commonwealth Games.
Callaghan has improved his running significantly this year — he has posted a 6.12mins 2km — and has added muscle to his tall frame.
Those who know Callaghan have said that they believe he might have grown a little bit of late, which would surely add to his appeal among clubs.
He would be an ideal addition to a Crows midfield that doesn’t boast a player at his height, outside of Jackson Hately who couldn’t break into the senior side in his first season at Adelaide.
Callaghan, with his penetrating left foot, looms as an ideal modern-midfielder the Crows would love — but the question will be how can they get him.
It is understood the Crows have also asked about his Dragons teammate Josh Sinn, although he is expected to go later on in the draft.
Josh Rachele has been likened to Toby Greene. Picture: Michael Klein
Josh Rachele, Murray Bushrangers
Likened to GWS star Toby Greene, Rachele is one of the most talented players in the draft pool.
After turning down a scholarship to sign with Melbourne City, Rachele decided to focus on football rather than soccer.
He has quickly established himself as an excitement machine and at 180cm is widely considered as the best small forward in the draft pool.
Adelaide has a need for a small forward, especially one with the skills and tricks that Rachele has.
But small forwards don’t usually go in the top five, or top six if Adelaide’s pick slides down there after bids for Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy.
However there shouldn’t be too many complaints from Crows fans if they choose with Rachele with their first pick.
He is strong overhead for his size, and dynamic at ground level.
And he has shone as a midfielder at junior level, fuelling hope that while he isn’t the tallest he can make the adjustment at senior level.
It is understood that the Crows, along with GWS, have shown some of the biggest interest in Rachele of late.
And it is also understood that Rachele is more than happy to move interstate to play his footy, which has the interstate clubs in particular very interested in him.
All of the clubs in the top 10 after North Melbourne have shown interest in the excitement machine.
The Crows have a lot of players who will work hard, they need a player with the class, skills and tricks that Rachele has in his locker.
Ben Hobbs is considered an AFL captain in waiting?
Ben Hobbs, Greater Western Victoria Rebels
This is very much a case of a potential best available player at the Crows current pick, especially if Rachele is off the board, as well as Callaghan.
A contested beast, the tough 181cm midfielder has emerged as one of the best prospects in this year’s crop, averaging 28.5 disposals, 5.8 clearances and 5.5 tackles from his four full NAB League games.
An extremely hard worker, Hobbs has already been labelled as a potential captain of whatever club does draft him.
Adelaide does have Tom Doedee as its captain in waiting, but Rory Sloane is 32 next year and Hobbs could be his replacement in the Crows engine room.
Hobbs is right in conversations as the best pure inside midfielder in the pool and while he doesn’t provide the height the Crows might be seeking he definitely would add to Adelaide’s contested game.
Assuming we don't trade up/down, initial thoughts - as good as he sounds we're pretty well stocked in the 'Hobbs' department with midfielders of that style/attributes. All else being equal Callaghan/Rachele would provide a great point of difference.
Sometimes summaries can be misleading. I don't see a turn of foot in his highlights that would make me think he will necessarily have above AFL average athleticism or pace. Perhaps within his age group competition, but maybe not AFL standard.None whatsoever, in fact they're standout traits in his all round package.
Josh Rachele Draft Profile
POSITION: Small Forward/Midfielder
SNAPSHOT: “A mercurial forward who has drawn comparisons to GWS star Toby Greene, Rachele boasts unbelievable smarts, skills, and a keen eye for goal.”
One of the most freakishly talented players in this year’s draft crop is Josh Rachele, a dynamic midfielder-forward out of the Murray Bushrangers. He has long been a standout among his peers, having taken out the Kevin Sheehan Medal (Division 1 MVP) and Vic Country MVP at the 2019 Under 16 National Championships. He made his NAB League debut soon after and averaged 18 disposals and two goals per his four games as a 16-year-old, before returning with as many outings this season to go with Under 19 Vic Country representation. Rachele comes from an elite soccer background, bringing the quick feet and smiling goal celebrations one would expect, but also a hard edge when rolling through midfield. With a slick turn of speed and sublime skills, the 18-year-old has an awesome highlight reel and bucketloads of potential. He is the best small forward available.
STRENGTHS:
+ Skills
+ Smarts
+ Finishing
+ Athleticism
+ Clean hands
+ X-factor
IMPROVEMENTS:
– Consistency
– Defensive work rate
Arguably a top five prospect on pure talent, Rachele does plenty of things well. While he expressed a desire for more midfield minutes during preseason, the 18-year-old played mostly forward for Murray and Vic Country, showcasing his range of skills and unbelievably good goal sense. Consistently able to hit the scoreboard, he earned player of the week honours in Round 11 for his six-goal haul against Northern, and was named in the APS and NAB League teams of the year.
Rachele’s collection of traits really shine when posted up forward. He brings explosive athletic traits; able to leap high for overhead marks, burn his opponents with pure speed, or weave a web around them. With these factors combined, he is not only a valuable ground level player inside 50, but also a viable target on the lead when working up to half-forward. In all levels of play, he makes things happen.
Along with his athletic power comes finesse, with Rachele’s clean hands and ball use also important assets. He collects the ball one-touch in the air and off the deck, and is consistently able to make good decisions by hand and foot. His smarts also come into play here and when around goal, Rachele’s finishing is lethal. Whether it be via set shots, snaps, attempts on the run, or efforts from outside 50, the exciting small can slot goals from all angles and on both feet.
Rachele is the type of player whose best form is irresistible, offering game-breaking quality. He has the kind of x-factor which can turn games and his several hauls of multiple goals across many levels of football proves exactly that. Furthermore, he adds a bit of spark in midfield. In an otherwise quiet Challenge Match for Vic Country, Rachele lifted when moved on-ball and looks a different player in there with his contested nous and evasive technique. It is something we haven’t seen as much recently, but was a feature of his Under 16 carnival.
A factor which may be holding Rachele back from more midfield time is his consistency, and consistency of effort. He has developed into a player who impacts in spurts, dominating periods of a game rather than the full four quarters. You get the sense he knows just how good he is, and might not seek to prove it with each act. There are games where he simply looks on, but others where he is less energised and raring to break the game open.
Should Rachele build his tank and enhance his two-way effort, he can become an unstoppable small forward/midfielder in the modern game. Aware of some of his defensive deficiencies, he stated in preseason that he wanted to take his tackling inside 50 to the next level. He averaged 3.8 per game in the NAB League this year and is ominous when making a menace of himself, but can work on bringing that intensity for longer periods.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 6-12
SUMMARY:
Rachele is a player who, at his best, has top five potential. As the leading small forward in this year’s cohort, his stocks will be boosted even further and he will likely tempt clubs inside the top 10. Work rate and consistency are essential in the modern game, but can easily be developed in an elite environment. Rachele will be drafted based on what he does so well, and there are plenty of traits which fans will quickly come to enjoy. He’s a bums-on-seat type of talent, and one capable of pulling off what others simply cannot.
Not suggesting hes slow, or not agile, just not at the level you stand up and notice it being a feature - which is what I want from a top 5 pick it they aren't a bonafide mid.
Based on that I wonder if the Crows will actually take the go home factor risk & take Callaghan, or just go with Rachele anyway
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TBF .....these strengths & opportunities are applied to most of the Draftee's .....I give those ratings almost no attention
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I prefer to think of Rachele as Daniel Menzel Mk2
He's quick, he's extraordinarily agile because he played football(soccer) at the highest level for his age group.
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I'm seeing a McHenry in this selection
I don't see it. Perhaps it would be more noticeable in a full game, but his highlights don't show it.
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Let's say the word on the street is that our top 4 are JHF, Callaghan, Gibcus and Andrew, and the haks offer for pick 2 is marginally better than ours.
Who do you trade with (if anyone) if you are GWS?
I wouldn't go that far. Menzel was slow. Had agility for a player his size prior to knee injuries.
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I was thinking Menzel pre-knee injuries .....was still considered an above average player, using his footy IQ
I'm like you ....I don't see his tricks or #1 wood ......other than he is smart ....his body already mature
He looks like he will be a good player. But top 5? Not sure. For a player like him you basically want him to end up a Robbie Gray or Toby Greene level player.
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