List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Draft, Trade, Free Agency and Academy

[Docker82]

Sumich is an idiot. If Cerra were to “walk to the PSD” as he put it, we would just select him ourselves before Richmond. Unless he thinks we will finish above Richmond.

If Richmond were the club Cerra nominated the PSD actually works in Freo’s favour in trade negotiations.

There’s simply no way 5-6 Victorian clubs just sit there and watch him go to Richmond. North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Essendon and would have plenty of salary cap space. Carlton and Collingwood not so much but could probably find a way to make it work if required. Fair chance they aren’t the only Victorian clubs below Richmond after finals either.

If Richmond were to offer us a single first rounder, I’d be telling them to get ****ed and Cerra can then decide whether he wants to play for North. Three first rounders should be the cost if he goes to Richmond- all three of them won’t be before 15.

 

[Joao]

If Richmond were the club Cerra nominated the PSD actually works in Freo’s favour in trade negotiations.

There’s simply no way 5-6 Victorian clubs just sit there and watch him go to Richmond. North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Essendon and would have plenty of salary cap space. Carlton and Collingwood not so much but could probably find a way to make it work if required. Fair chance they aren’t the only Victorian clubs below Richmond after finals either.

If Richmond were to offer us a single first rounder, I’d be telling them to get ****ed and Cerra can then decide whether he wants to play for North. Three first rounders should be the cost if he goes to Richmond- all three of them won’t be before 15.

Never mind the Vic clubs, he doesn't get past us in the PSD.

 

[Nodgey]

I like that ad on 91.3 that quotes Suma “I know for a FACT Ross PROBABLY didn’t rate Naughton’s kicking....”

So what was it, fact or just probable?!?! LMFA. And THAT’S the actual quote they use to pump him up. Clearly they use it because it denigrates Freo, because it ain’t his journalistic qualities that’s for sure.

 

[Docker82]

Never mind the Vic clubs, he doesn't get past us in the PSD.

We’d be irrelevant in the conversation. He wouldn’t get past North Melbourne and Hawthorn as the bottom two.

 

[Lach72]

It’s become obvious now Sumich won’t get a job coaching in the afl, even a development role is beyond him. He’s trying to turn his pathetic excuse of a life into a “media personality” and is being coached by Hagdorn. It doesn’t anger me, it’s simply pathetic. But he doesn’t have skills nor intellect to transfer into a meaningful role. He has to try and make himself relevant to earn coin. I’d feel sorry for him if he wasn’t potting our club.

I don’t think he needs to do anything of the sort for coin personally

 

[Superkoops]

Peter Sumich says Richmond are targeting Adam Cerra, and Fremantle can't ask for too much because Cerra can walk into the pre-season draft:

The Victorian powerhouse club "into" Dockers midfielder Adam Cerra

“I’m hearing that they’re targeting him."

www.sen.com.au

Sumich said so...

Pre-season draft please. Have a look at the last 20 pre-season drafts been about two decent (out of contract) players taken in that time Kurt Tippet and Jack Martin (not including players like Michael Johnson and Eddie Betts). Both cost an absolute fortune and brought on salary cap issues for both clubs. Sure Richmond are swimming in salary cap space.

Most years the PSD doesn’t even happen.

If Cerra leaves we will get more than adequate compensation. Likely a top 10 pick and a decent player.

Don’t bother listening to Sumich.

 

[Bring back Drum]

Suma’s list management strategy:

1.Trade your best players, and any interstaters on your list
2. Don’t bother asking for much, they are just gonna leave anyway.
3. ????
4. Premiership?

It’s really hard to see why such a big brain keeps getting overlooked for senior jobs, perplexing.

3. Select local.............except Zane Trew, cause he’s a sook.

 

[blue shark]

Callow is the KPP getting the most attention in the media, but if you compare his year to that of Treacy...

Jackson Callow - 11 goals from 7 games, average 13 disposals and 6 marks
Josh Treacy - 6 goals from 2 games, average 15 disposals and 6 marks (plus that 7 goal haul in a preseason game)

My issue with Callow from last year is that as a forward he's a bit limited. Doesn't really have AFL level athleticism to play anywhere but out of the goal square. His game against Adelaide on the weekend was good, and he beat a couple of AFL listed defenders but it's a different game when you have players like Luke Ryan zoning off at the top level. I'm still of the opinion he'll make a good defender though.

Treacy is 2 months younger and is essentially a year behind in terms of development given Callow played a season of league football in Tasmania last year - Treacy also offers a whole lot more in terms of his defensive game and tackling pressure. I'm not suggesting Treacy is going to be our saviour, just that we arguably have a better young tall on our list already. So while I think Callow would be a decent young KPP to have on our list, I don't think he's 'that good' that we feel we have to bring him in if he's available.

I don't think we'll take a pick in the mid season draft...but if we do, I think we'd stick to Peel and take Tyrone Thorne.

You can say that about plenty of tall forwards though? Even if Callow doesn't make it as a forward,
we need defenders too.
I really cannot fathom why we took NOD as a top30 pick, what are his elite attributes?
The club has limited talls developing, released Collins, yet many stated he was a spud, released Strnadica
and he could be drafted in the MSD.
We could have taken Callow last year for peanuts, and Treacy, KP's are set for a decade.
Next it will be Meek gone because after 10 AFL games he has no upside?
Obviously some players have potential, others are list plodders?
Why we don't we just take footballers first, instead of athletes, at least that should be worth extra points in the
decision process.
This clubs recruiting, development is why we haven't won a GF, we always say best available yet off field we are a
Joke.

 

[Ysaye]

You can say that about plenty of tall forwards though? Even if Callow doesn't make it as a forward,
we need defenders too.
I really cannot fathom why we took NOD as a top30 pick, what are his elite attributes?
The club has limited talls developing, released Collins, yet many stated he was a spud, released Strnadica
and he could be drafted in the MSD.
We could have taken Callow last year for peanuts, and Treacy, KP's are set for a decade.
Next it will be Meek gone because after 10 AFL games he has no upside?
Obviously some players have potential, others are list plodders?
Why we don't we just take footballers first, instead of athletes, at least that should be worth extra points in the
decision process.
This clubs recruiting, development is why we haven't won a GF, we always say best available yet off field we are a
Joke.

NOD has elite speed (sub 2.90 sec 20m sprint) and great size for a midfielder (189cm). Last year was also a strong tackler through the midfield / wing for Perth and put the ball into dangerous positions in the forward 50 with his long kicking. He even tested well for endurance, which was a concern of mine.

And somehow, now he is now playing half back and looking suspect both defensively and offensively (and has a terrible hair cut) and looks nothing like the player he was for Perth. But remember that he was injured end of the year (think had surgery?) so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[rgauci]

NOD has elite speed (sub 2.90 sec 20m sprint) and great size for a midfielder (189cm). Last year was also a strong tackler through the midfield / wing for Perth and put the ball into dangerous positions in the forward 50 with his long kicking. He even tested well for endurance, which was a concern of mine.

And somehow, now he is now playing half back and looking suspect both defensively and offensively (and has a terrible hair cut) and looks nothing like the player he was for Perth. But remember that he was injured end of the year (think had surgery?) so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I think he just hasn’t hit the ground the running. I think he’ll work into some form by the end of the year.

good height, left footer, good pace, long kick....it doesn’t disappear.

 

[Docker82]

You can say that about plenty of tall forwards though? Even if Callow doesn't make it as a forward,
we need defenders too.
I really cannot fathom why we took NOD as a top30 pick, what are his elite attributes?
The club has limited talls developing, released Collins, yet many stated he was a spud, released Strnadica
and he could be drafted in the MSD.
We could have taken Callow last year for peanuts, and Treacy, KP's are set for a decade.
Next it will be Meek gone because after 10 AFL games he has no upside?
Obviously some players have potential, others are list plodders?
Why we don't we just take footballers first, instead of athletes, at least that should be worth extra points in the
decision process.
This clubs recruiting, development is why we haven't won a GF, we always say best available yet off field we are a
Joke.

I'll say a few things here:
Treacy looks like he has all the athletic traits you'd want from a KPF. Callow does not. You're talking like he's a guarentee to make it. Wouldn't be surprised if he's overlooked next week tbh but if I had to predict he'll get a shot.

No club has four KPDs who are the standard of Pearce, Logue, Hamling and Cox and we seem to go alright with one KPD in the side. I can why the club doesn't see it as an urgent need.

IMO we only need about three mods to get injured to be a bottom four midfield. It isn't as rosy as you'd like to think. We'll realise we needed the extra mid in three years.

Meek isn't playing because he's one dimensional and Darcy and Lobb are better footballers. He's shown enough as a number one ruck.

I'd more question the amount of short people and HBFs on the list before I question anything else.

 

[blue shark]

I think he just hasn’t hit the ground the running. I think he’ll work into some form by the end of the year.

good height, left footer, good pace, long kick....it doesn’t disappear.

WC take Zane Trew in the rookie draft, we take NOD in the main?
So we are still not developing players properly, or in their natural position.
I don't mind NOD, just the price paid, Connor Blakely MK2.

 

[Dockeroo]

WC take Zane Trew in the rookie draft, we take NOD in the main?
So we are still not developing players properly, or in their natural position.
I don't mind NOD, just the price paid, Connor Blakely MK2.

Zane Trew has done nothing either.
We traded up to get NOD (using this years third rounder) because West coast were also trying to trade up for NOD. Collingwood picked our offer over WC

 

[Chris25]

You can say that about plenty of tall forwards though? Even if Callow doesn't make it as a forward,
we need defenders too.
I really cannot fathom why we took NOD as a top30 pick, what are his elite attributes?
The club has limited talls developing, released Collins, yet many stated he was a spud, released Strnadica
and he could be drafted in the MSD.
We could have taken Callow last year for peanuts, and Treacy, KP's are set for a decade.
Next it will be Meek gone because after 10 AFL games he has no upside?
Obviously some players have potential, others are list plodders?
Why we don't we just take footballers first, instead of athletes, at least that should be worth extra points in the
decision process.
This clubs recruiting, development is why we haven't won a GF, we always say best available yet off field we are a
Joke.

This board seems to have a strange fascination with Strnadica. Thinking he’s better than he is and actually a chance to be drafted. There’s a reason Wylie Buzza could get a third shot ahead of him. And it’s not because Buzza is good.

As for Callow, we could have taken him for peanuts last year. Like every team who overlooked him - it wasn’t just us. And we could take him for peanuts next week. But I would be shocked if our KPPs were set for a decade just by having him and Treacy.

Ysaye hit all the points as to why we drafted O’Driscoll. A big, fast midfielder with a good underage pedigree. Let’s see how he goes first.

 

[Diverbelow]

Adam Cerra was pick 5 in the draft. No way do you trade him for anything less than an early 1st round pick plus another player or pick. 4 years development and an established best 22 in any team equals early first round picks..............nothing less. If he nominated for the PSD then he would be the number one pick.

 

[mayne iac]

Geez Cal Twomey is super impressed with Nick Daicos. What he's seen is more impressive than Rowell and Walsh...

 

[wayToGo_]

Geez Cal Twomey is super impressed with Nick Daicos. What he's seen is more impressive than Rowell and Walsh...

Daicos looks good but so did a bunch of prospects that never live up to the hype. 2017 Twomey said...

It's easy to like what Dow brings to the table as a prospect. He's competitive and you can count on him to deliver in big moments. He's quick and can get himself out of trouble. He kicks goals and did it regularly from the midfield this season. And he's consistent. It's hard to think of a game where Dow wasn't one of his side's better players this year, which saw him rise to the top group of prospects available to clubs. Unfortunately, shoulder surgery late in the year ended his season a little early, but by then he had done enough to show what he's about.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Random thought (that has evolved into a much larger post than I meant), for all the complaining people do on here, realistically, our historical drafting is pretty good (going back 20 years). Off the top of my head I cant think of any St Kilda like misses (McCartin/Petracca, Coffield/Naughton, Billings/Bont) for us. Our trading is legendarily bad and the main thing that has held us back I'd argue. It also points to us historically being decent developers of talent when we get access to them from the beginning.

I wonder if this ties in with being a historically irrelevant club (Newer team, WA based with lots of travel, financially stable without powerhouse resources). Irrelevant seems harsh, but its true in the grand scheme of things and in terms of player attraction. The only players we can get either
- Have serious off-field issues
- Want a pay check
- Want greater opportunity
- Want to come home

A star player will never fall into the later categories, they get looked after too well. I've touched on it before but short of some miracle and a star player asking to come to us, our first round picks should forever be off the table until we win a flag. I dont mind picking up fringe best 22 players for cheap where we have the list space to (Aish, Acres, Conca).

Do what we are historically strong at, hit the draft, develop the talent, bring in an experienced head or two and stay away from the fool's gold that is star players

 

[wayToGo_]

Not many surprises on this list.

Mid-Season Draft: Check out 27 of the top contenders

From overlooked young guns to players looking for a second chance at the top level, these are the leading NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft prospects

www.afl.com.au

Lots of rucks. Ash Johnson or Cam McLeod probably the two I'd consider giving a shot (other than Edwards and Stengle who will definitely be gone by our pick).

If we are going local I'd probably go Schlensog.

Kind of hoping we have some surprise selection in mind that a few people will have heard of but the vast majority will respond with 'wtf? who is dat?'.

 

[freo1997]

When will the club state if they are picking someone up?

 

[Dockeroo]

Daicos looks good but so did a bunch of prospects that never live up to the hype. 2017 Twomey said...

It's easy to like what Dow brings to the table as a prospect. He's competitive and you can count on him to deliver in big moments. He's quick and can get himself out of trouble. He kicks goals and did it regularly from the midfield this season. And he's consistent. It's hard to think of a game where Dow wasn't one of his side's better players this year, which saw him rise to the top group of prospects available to clubs. Unfortunately, shoulder surgery late in the year ended his season a little early, but by then he had done enough to show what he's about.

Haha what a quote. Everyone is a top class player on draft night remember

 

[Dockeroo]

Random thought (that has evolved into a much larger post than I meant), for all the complaining people do on here, realistically, our historical drafting is pretty good (going back 20 years). Off the top of my head I cant think of any St Kilda like misses (McCartin/Petracca, Coffield/Naughton, Billings/Bont) for us. Our trading is legendarily bad and the main thing that has held us back I'd argue. It also points to us historically being decent developers of talent when we get access to them from the beginning.

I wonder if this ties in with being a historically irrelevant club (Newer team, WA based with lots of travel, financially stable without powerhouse resources). Irrelevant seems harsh, but its true in the grand scheme of things and in terms of player attraction. The only players we can get either
- Have serious off-field issues
- Want a pay check
- Want greater opportunity
- Want to come home

A star player will never fall into the later categories, they get looked after too well. I've touched on it before but short of some miracle and a star player asking to come to us, our first round picks should forever be off the table until we win a flag. I dont mind picking up fringe best 22 players for cheap where we have the list space to (Aish, Acres, Conca).

Do what we are historically strong at, hit the draft, develop the talent, bring in an experienced head or two and stay away from the fool's gold that is star players

Yeah pretty much agree with this.

 

[Joao]

You can say that about plenty of tall forwards though? Even if Callow doesn't make it as a forward,
we need defenders too.
I really cannot fathom why we took NOD as a top30 pick, what are his elite attributes?
The club has limited talls developing, released Collins, yet many stated he was a spud, released Strnadica
and he could be drafted in the MSD.
We could have taken Callow last year for peanuts, and Treacy, KP's are set for a decade.
Next it will be Meek gone because after 10 AFL games he has no upside?
Obviously some players have potential, others are list plodders?
Why we don't we just take footballers first, instead of athletes, at least that should be worth extra points in the
decision process.
This clubs recruiting, development is why we haven't won a GF, we always say best available yet off field we are a
Joke.

I'm not even joking that NOD's draft profile sounds like Dangerfield.

The rest... others have covered.

Random thought (that has evolved into a much larger post than I meant), for all the complaining people do on here, realistically, our historical drafting is pretty good (going back 20 years). Off the top of my head I cant think of any St Kilda like misses (McCartin/Petracca, Coffield/Naughton, Billings/Bont) for us. Our trading is legendarily bad and the main thing that has held us back I'd argue. It also points to us historically being decent developers of talent when we get access to them from the beginning.

I wonder if this ties in with being a historically irrelevant club (Newer team, WA based with lots of travel, financially stable without powerhouse resources). Irrelevant seems harsh, but its true in the grand scheme of things and in terms of player attraction. The only players we can get either
- Have serious off-field issues
- Want a pay check
- Want greater opportunity
- Want to come home

A star player will never fall into the later categories, they get looked after too well. I've touched on it before but short of some miracle and a star player asking to come to us, our first round picks should forever be off the table until we win a flag. I dont mind picking up fringe best 22 players for cheap where we have the list space to (Aish, Acres, Conca).

Do what we are historically strong at, hit the draft, develop the talent, bring in an experienced head or two and stay away from the fool's gold that is star players

You know my motto.

Draft draft draft.

Haha what a quote. Everyone is a top class player on draft night remember

Shifter is shocking for that. Every kid is a top bloke with Judd talent.

 

[Scham]

Not many surprises on this list.

Mid-Season Draft: Check out 27 of the top contenders

From overlooked young guns to players looking for a second chance at the top level, these are the leading NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft prospects

www.afl.com.au

Lots of rucks. Ash Johnson or Cam McLeod probably the two I'd consider giving a shot (other than Edwards and Stengle who will definitely be gone by our pick).

If we are going local I'd probably go Schlensog.

Kind of hoping we have some surprise selection in mind that a few people will have heard of but the vast majority will respond with 'wtf? who is dat?'.

Johnson, McLeod and Preston sound alright too. I believe Raak is capable forward, so if true he'd be a chance.

 

[Eski3]

The reality is almost all draftees, certainly first and second rounders, are going to have good draft profiles because they dominated in their respective teams at junior level. Hence why they get drafted so high.

Paddy Dow averaged 26 disposals, 13 of which were contested, in the TAC cup, while being good for almost a goal a game. It's not Twomey's fault Carlton couldn't turn him into a semi-decent player.