List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Draft, Trade, Free Agency and Academy

[ozzie69]

Forget Clark. If Geebung don't want to play then just move on - they may come back to the table later anyways.

 

[Fyfster]

Forget Clark. If Geebung don't want to play then just move on - they may come back to the table later anyways.

If 25 or 27does not get it done then walk ,If they again don't play him much next season, Then they have wasted a year of the players career .

 

[Purple Suit]

yes and no.

I can cope with bringing in a few mature agers if needed, but you don't give up first or second round picks to get them.

yes and no.

Normally you don't want to but if you keep taking best available for years and develop list balance issues then eventually you need to pay the price. We all but stopped recruiting tall forwards and the ones we did were either injury busts or turned into defenders.

Like it or not, Lobb has been probably been our 2nd best tall forward since Pav retired and he can ruck. That has some value.

 

[Paracleet]

Every year we get people calling for someone that looks decent at WAFL level. It's normally an inside mid that wins plenty of the ball.

The problem with a Greg Clark or similar accumulator type is they are unlikely to be able to play any role other than inside mid at AFL level. And the problem there is there is simply no way they would be competitive up against a Fyfe or Mundy. And they'd even struggle against a young Brayshaw or Serong. If people think Banfield is slow then they'd be in for a shock watching plenty of the State league inside mids trying to play at AFL level.

People will point to Tim Kelly but I watched plenty of him before he was drafted and it wasn't the ball winning ability that made you think he could succeed at AFL - it was everything else. Similarly Marlion Pickett who I still think we missed seeing his potentially best years as an AFL footballer because he wasn't given a chance - but he was also never an accumulator. Even Barlow who can rack up 50 disposals at State league couldn't continue his career at AFL level.

Nothing against taking a mature ager (I'd love a forward line version of Luke Ryan) but the reality is you are rarely going to find a suitable AFL quality mid in the State leagues. If we were in the window and playing finals already then maybe you'd look at depth but even then in most cases a fringe mid at another club would be a better option.

This is 100% correct. The number of players taken from the second tier who were playing as ball winning inside mids who then play AFL as ball winning inside mids is vanishingly small. Even Kelly was still playing a mix of half forward for Souths before being taken (and it's where Geelong initially played him). He had AFL attributes and being held back by fitness was unable to bring it together till late.
People also cited Michael Barlow: Well he sets the standard on what you would expect to see from an AFL quality inside mid playing WAFL: After getting dropped in 2016 he had 83 touches in just two games. And that was when he was 29 and halfway to cooked.

If someone like Clark makes it the AFL the overwhelming likelihood is it will be as a role player on a flank. On that basis if our recruiters see something in him I hope they take him, but he sure as hell is not replacing Cerra.

 

[theGav56]

Yesterday Mr Draft Expert observed that Greg Clark is more an outside midfielder than inside.

 

[Wray27]

This is 100% correct. The number of players taken from the second tier who were playing as ball winning inside mids who then play AFL as ball winning inside mids is vanishingly small. Even Kelly was still playing a mix of half forward for Souths before being taken (and it's where Geelong initially played him). He had AFL attributes and being held back by fitness was unable to bring it together till late.
People also cited Michael Barlow: Well he sets the standard on what you would expect to see from an AFL quality inside mid playing WAFL: After getting dropped in 2016 he had 83 touches in just two games. And that was when he was 29 and halfway to cooked.

If someone like Clark makes it the AFL the overwhelming likelihood is it will be as a role player on a flank. On that basis if our recruiters see something in him I hope they take him, but he sure as hell is not replacing Cerra.

Don’t think anyone is suggesting he would replace Cerra(and if they have-he wouldn’t) but it is very unlikely anyone we draft in the next 2 years would either in the short term.
JLo has spoken recently about trying to accelerate the development from 60-80 games to 40-60 for our draftees.
a 24 yr old big body Simpson medalist is short term but might turn into a long term but also help with the development of those draftees.
It will cost us nothing and like any draftee has the potential to pay off.

 

[Dayts]

All the knocks on Clark about lacking professionalism and his training standards. And apparently we’re recruiting him to play the most physically taxing position in the game.. As if that’s gonna work. He will end up at HB, and the recruiting team will have their wish of another back flanker with the disguise of going after a winger.
Quite brilliant

 

[freoextra]

Reports Geel won't accept 25 for Clark - if true walk away.......they are being pathetic.

Just the usual process when a player is contracted, what we need is for Clark to tell Geelong that he has relocated to WA will not be coming back etc. If he and his Manager are not 100% pushing this so we can negotiate a reasonable trade which is 27 then walk away - simples!!

 

[theGav56]

Just the usual process when a player is contracted, what we need is for Clark to tell Geelong that he has relocated to WA will not be coming back etc. If he and his Manager are not 100% pushing this so we can negotiate a reasonable trade which is 27 then walk away - simples!!

That's a pretty drastic way for someone to break a contract and leave a club.

For me Geelong is handling this in the same way as we have done with contracted players. We make it difficult to happen. We push for maximum value. Have a look at the Weller and Hill trades. For sure they are significantly better players, and comfortably in the best 22, but the principle of us needing maximum value to agree is the point.

Worth remembering Hill had requested a trade the season before.

Don't chase contracted players is a good rule of thumb.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

If 25 or 27does not get it done then walk ,If they again don't play him much next season, Then they have wasted a year of the players career .

Two years. But that is as much on Clark as Geelong.

I like Clark (assuming that the elbow injury hasn't caused a permanent stall on his career). I was pretty annoyed we traded for Lobb instead of using that 1st rounder on someone like him back in 2018. (That 2018 post-season has just ended up being one of the worst post-seasons in our history, and that's saying something.)

But the time for Jordy to come for us was last year when he was OOC. He made the choice to sign on for two more years knowing that Geelong were trading in older guys to play. I wouldn't pay a lot for him now ( only a mid-2nd rounder upwards for mine), not because he won't end up a better player than guys like Valente, O'Driscoll, et al (he probably will) but because we still need to keep on drafting (like we should have done in 2018).

 

[MrDanggazz]

Say we get 6 from Carlton and go into the draft with both 6 and 8, who do you want to select?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Do you have an example of a club which hasn't brought players in and has in fact found A graders with the their 5th to 8th selections in a draft?

Luke Ryan, Rory Laird, Tim Kelly (could have taken him the year before), Eddie Betts, Josh Treacy, Mabior Chol, Brody Mihocheck, Cam Ellis Yolmen

It is unlikely you will hit the jack pot, but I would rather me in it.

 

[Mogumber]

Pick 6 & 8, then becomes 8 & 10
WA players, Erasmus and JVR

 

[MrDanggazz]

Say we get 6 from Carlton and go into the draft with both 6 and 8, who do you want to select?

For me it is Erasmus at 6, pick 8 I would choose Amiss but I would be happy with anyone out of Johnson, Rachele and Wanganeen-Milera.

 

[Wray27]

Two years. But that is as much on Clark as Geelong.

I like Clark (assuming that the elbow injury hasn't caused a permanent stall on his career). I was pretty annoyed we traded for Lobb instead of using that 1st rounder on someone like him back in 2018. (That 2018 post-season has just ended up being one of the worst post-seasons in our history, and that's saying something.)

But the time for Jordy to come for us was last year when he was OOC. He made the choice to sign on for two more years knowing that Geelong were trading in older guys to play. I wouldn't pay a lot for him now ( only a mid-2nd rounder upwards for mine), not because he won't end up a better player than guys like Valente, O'Driscoll, et al (he probably will) but because we still need to keep on drafting (like we should have done in 2018).

Be hard to beat 2013. 8 players for average 13 games. Pearse may change that but WTF.

 

[wayToGo_]

1. Assuming JHF, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Erasmus, Ward, Rachele and Hobbs are all off the board by our first pick... Who would people take at #8 and #10?

Available: Gibcus, Andrew, Amiss, Draper, Johnson, NWM, Sinn, Sonsie, Roberts, Goater, Butler, Chesser, JVR, Wilmot, Brown, Motlop, Windhager, Conway, Williams, Taylor, Howes, Bazzo, (plus anyone not in Twomey's phantom)

2. And then which two would you take if your first preference was already taken instead of Hobbs.

3. And then which two would you take if both your original preferences were already taken instead of Ward and Hobbs.

eg

1) Amiss + NWM
2) NWM + Andrew
3) Ward + Andrew

These aren't my choices btw

 

[Eski3]

Max Laughton on the fox footy trade chat is saying Adelaide are interested in Rachele with pick 4

 

[Lach72]

Max Laughton on the fox footy trade chat is saying Adelaide are interested in Rachele with pick 4

ugh

 

[DragoDelph]

Max Laughton on the fox footy trade chat is saying Adelaide are interested in Rachele with pick 4

So there's a chance we could be in like Finn.... ?

 

[wayToGo_]

I've just realised we need to find a way to get Richmond's pick #7 so then at the time of draft the Freo media team can say:

"8, 9 10, three in a row again"

 

[Wray27]

1. Assuming JHF, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Erasmus, Ward, Rachele and Hobbs are all off the board by our first pick... Who would people take at #8 and #10?

Available: Gibcus, Andrew, Amiss, Draper, Johnson, NWM, Sinn, Sonsie, Roberts, Goater, Butler, Chesser, JVR, Wilmot, Brown, Motlop, Windhager, Conway, Williams, Taylor, Howes, Bazzo, (plus anyone not in Twomey's phantom)

2. And then which two would you take if your first preference was already taken instead of Hobbs.

3. And then which two would you take if both your original preferences were already taken instead of Ward and Hobbs.

eg

1) Amiss + NWM
2) NWM + Andrew
3) Ward + Andrew

These aren't my choices btw

Same as yours but maybe Johnson not ward

 

[nurries]

1. Assuming JHF, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan, Erasmus, Ward, Rachele and Hobbs are all off the board by our first pick... Who would people take at #8 and #10?

Available: Gibcus, Andrew, Amiss, Draper, Johnson, NWM, Sinn, Sonsie, Roberts, Goater, Butler, Chesser, JVR, Wilmot, Brown, Motlop, Windhager, Conway, Williams, Taylor, Howes, Bazzo, (plus anyone not in Twomey's phantom)

2. And then which two would you take if your first preference was already taken instead of Hobbs.

3. And then which two would you take if both your original preferences were already taken instead of Ward and Hobbs.

eg

1) Amiss + NWM
2) NWM + Andrew
3) Ward + Andrew

These aren't my choices btw

You have 8 names off the board but there will only be 7 before our pick so one of those names most likely be there and maybe more if someone rises up the board

 

[Midnite65]

We are definitely not in our Premiership window.

And Melbourne were in 2020?

 

[wayToGo_]

You have 8 names off the board but there will only be 7 before our pick so one of those names most likely be there and maybe more if someone rises up the board

Whoops. I didn't say I could count

Ok make it: (1) Hobbs available, (2) Hobbs and Ward available, (3) Hobbs, Ward and Rachele available.

 

[Wray27]

And Melbourne were in 2020?

Obviously because they won the 2021 Premiership