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[ItsAllAboutMe]

Daniel Rich is probably the best kick in the league and goes at 77%. He also takes a lot of kick ins and with the nature of it where you bomb long to a contest or hit up an easy target meaning they are mostly “effective kicks” you would think he would be much higher. He is probably going at a pretty similar rate as Jones does around the ground.
For how aggressive so many of Jones possessions are I think 71% is a very good return. Comparing him to other players who chip sideways is pointless

Jones is quality, however his errors and they are not always by foot, its dropping a chest mark when under pressure, trying to mark instead of punching the ball out of bounds or an errant handball etc but when he does make an error it inevitably always costs us a goal.. Not sure i there is a stat available for goals caused by errors/turnovers but I suspect LJ would be high on the list, although is getting far more reliable.. and i dont think it has anything to do with skill level, but more to do with decision making and confidence. Liam now fully believes in himself and the role he needs to play for the team and the errors are few and far between these days.

 

[agro]

Gold Coast are trash, they got rolled by 100 points by a decent side who were out of form and then they came up against us.. We dont count in the discussion because we are a pathetic football club.

I think you might have missed the “tinge” of sarcasm in my post.

 

[BluesTragic]

I agree wholeheartedly- please let’s give Plowman a chance with a decent coach.

As long as he gets a decent haircut


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[Stickitupthem]

I agree wholeheartedly- please let’s give Plowman a chance with a decent coach.

The plows the least of our worries

 

[agro]

The point I was making is that I do want Plowman to have a chance with a decent coach.

 

[Broadside]

Plowman to be a midfielder under the next coach. He can make it in this role.

 

[katmanblue]

2nd worst of key defenders who have played 5+ games

How many of those just kick it long to a contest? Thereby getting a stat for an effective disposal, regardless of outcome for the team? And how many consistently take easier shorter options?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Blues board to decide Teague’s fate this week

The Carlton board will discuss the findings of the Blues’ football department review on Thursday, while an influential member is pushing for an extraordinary general meeting.

www.theage.com.au

This article states Eddie Betts and Ed Curnow will go around again, whilst Lochie O'Brien

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Lochie O'brien

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

has not been offered a new contract yet.

Fairly safe to say LOB will be at another club next season.

 

[BlueJet]

So we have a coach telling a below average kick to take risky kicks and he misses the target 3 times out of 7?

Only Sam Frost has a worse kick than Liam Jones. It's something I've thought when watching Hawthorn and us this year and the stats back it up. Key defenders who have played 5+ games this year those 2 and Sam Taylor are the clear worst offenders.

Anyone who has seen him kick must see a clear flaw in his technique. It's heart in mouth stuff.

He isn't a below average kick though.
Our gameplan overall is an attacking one, players like Jones, Williamson, Saad etc are encouraged to break the lines and open the game up - the trade off is sometimes they'll open up the opposition, creating scoring opportunities, at others the ball will be turned over or end up causing a stoppage.
Give me that, alongside a shut out defensively over someone playing it safe with ball in hand and still having goals kicked on them.
Jones is comfortably ahead of those players you mentioned even if the stat sheet doesn't appeal to you.

 

[sweetchoif]

I'm a big fan of Fish, but something is up with him. Used to be a real terrier with huge hurt factor, now he's avoiding body contact and absolutely stinking it up in front of goal.

Wing is definitely where fisher belongs. He would tear it up there

 

[Arr0w]

Plowman is not playing in our best 22 next year if we are serious about a culture change.

Might be a good clubman, but his a liability on field when under pressure, and we haven’t even played finals.


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Plow will remain best 22 next year no matter who coaches us

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Blues board to decide Teague’s fate this week

The Carlton board will discuss the findings of the Blues’ football department review on Thursday, while an influential member is pushing for an extraordinary general meeting.

www.theage.com.au

This article states Eddie Betts and Ed Curnow will go around again, whilst Lochie O'Brien has not been offered a new contract yet.

Fairly safe to say LOB will be at another club next season.

Playing betts again next year to me they still think the list is transitioning -- as all this on field coaching he is meant to be doing is mostly what he has been providing - his output and impact on the field n play seems to minimal ..
if Ed plays on hopefully they will tag with him every week to make up for our thin midfield or we get in another mid and Ed plays VFL .

 

[The Return of the Paf]

PS - What's wrong with Saad? I've been really happy with both his effort and performance this year...

What's wrong with Saad is that he's not worth what we paid for him. You don't judge things in isolation.

 

[thylacine60]

What's wrong with Saad is that he's not worth what we paid for him. You don't judge things in isolation.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

What's wrong with Saad is that he's not worth what we paid for him. You don't judge things in isolation.

Nothing wrong with what we paid for Saad.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

What's wrong with Saad is that he's not worth what we paid for him. You don't judge things in isolation.

Which we also received pick 48 as part of the trade, which we subsequently packaged up in a deal with the Swans in order to get Corey Durdin.
Like you say, don't judge things in isolation.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

What's wrong with Saad is that he's not worth what we paid for him. You don't judge things in isolation.

Don't think anything wrong with what we paid for Saad I just think he was not a necessity at this stage and dodoro knew he had us cornered .. gambling on Williams being a permanent mid and taking Saad then bringing in fogarty drafting some more small fwd mid types in Carroll and durdin is what makes the trade period crazy for mine ..

 

[katmanblue]

What's wrong with Saad is that he's not worth what we paid for him. You don't judge things in isolation.

That first might have been the currency that got a deal for Oliver (or someone similar) over the line.

 

[Arr0w]

Nothing wrong with what we paid for Saad.

Somewhat true, but there were decent equivalent cheaper option available at the time, but we don't know if they were gettable by us

The issue was timing, those type of trades are when you have cemented yourself in the 8, not trying to break in

 

[Metalcrusher]

Somewhat true, but there were decent equivalent cheaper option available at the time, but we don't know if they were gettable by us

The issue was timing, those type of trades are when you have cemented yourself in the 8, not trying to break in

That and we had been talking to his management for a while. Sometimes you just need the deal to get done, or others will no longer deal with you ...

 

[Arr0w]

That and we had been talking to his management for a while. Sometimes you just need the deal to get done, or others will no longer deal with you ...

Agreed, I just believe we went too early

 

[Metalcrusher]

Agreed, I just believe we went too early

Possibly, but once we made a commitment, we sure as shit needed to follow through.

 

[Arr0w]

Possibly, but once we made a commitment, we sure as sh*t needed to follow through.

Which we did.

 

[bmaurizio]

Nothing wrong with what we paid for Saad.

Nothing wrong with what we paid for Saad.

Agree and furthermore I reckon he’s been the best performed of the big three acquisitions, likely Martin & Williams did not cost us draft picks.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Plow will remain best 22 next year no matter who coaches us

Yep, there's no way around it. Selfless, works his ass off, plays small or tall, kicks long, 1%, hurts anyone he hits.

He ain't the cleanest, but he's a very necessary cog amongst a backline who all want intercept marks and attacking possessions.