2021 Mid season draft (June 2nd)

[bigman]

When is the NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft?
The evening of Wednesday, June 2, in the week following round 11. Nominations for eligible players opens at 9am AEST on Monday, May 10 and close at 5pm AEST on Tuesday, May 25.

Watch all the NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft picks LIVE and EXCLUSIVE on AFL.com.au and the AFL Live Official App from 6.30pm AEST on Wednesday, June 2

Nicks today saying if the right player is there we may have up to 3 picks
In the mid season draft

he mentioned small forward role and quick midfielder as options they were focusing on

no mention of ruck

 

[spenze]

Yes, I look forward to thr obligatory “we‘ll have to tidy up his kicking”

"When we get him out of rehab and onto the park"

 

[Jack is Back]

I counted nine to delist at the end of the season, browsing last night. Some were borderline but we have to learn to be ruthless. Right now we are pussy cats.

How do we compare in list changes over the last two years compared to the other 17 AFL clubs?

Now exclude the players 25+ that some clubs have acquired.

The AFL is full of Pussy Cats and the Number One Pussy Cat is ........

 

[Crows 2024 Premiers]

Is Thorne from Tasmania? Ex basketballer? Small slow inside midfielder? Third tall defender? Half back flanker?

No?

We don't want you at the AFC.

yet again another example of why the crows are just the dumbest footy club going around..

alright, we get it, you morons only want to take 1 player at the most.. but even then, wouldnt the smart thing to do be to atleast move one of Milera or hinge to the LTI and give yourself the option of taking two players just incase someone decent unexpectedly slips through to the second pick?..

these fu**heads are too smart for their own good.

then.. the coach comes out just over two weeks ago and says, when asked about what we could be considering for the MSD, “we need a small forward”..

yet now we hear the rumours are we are linked to a small running defender who hasnt even been considered by anyone else or even made it anywhere near any of the draft experts top 25 players available.. probably Hamish again trying to be some sort of drafting guru enigma who wants to look all tricky and “against the grain”..

what the fu** do we need another small running defender for?.. another bloke to spend the next 6 to 18 months rotting in the SANFL while waiting for David mookay to finally fu** off into retirement?.. WTF is wrong with this club?..

we need a high pressure, xfactor, speedy small forward that loves to tackle hard, hits the scoreboard and gets a heap of possessions.. its one massively obvious hole in our list and the best player available in this MSD is the young indigenous lad Thorne.. if we dont take him then we need some new talent scouts.

maybe hamish has looked into Thorne and decided he doesnt come from a good enough family?..

melt and rant over.

Mate you have no f'ing idea about the draft pool, list management or salary cap management.

1) Parnell will be taken by Freo or GWS if we don't take him. He's certainly in my top 25 for the national draft if he doesn't get taken.
2) Stop thinking that there's any AFL quality small speedy x-factor small forward. The best small forward outside the AFL is Stengle. Did Stengle come from a good family? No. What happened there? We're allowed to rate character highly, Chicago Cubs won the World Series by placing a premium on high character.
3) I mentioned earlier in this thread, but we don't HAVE to pick someone for the sake of having someone on our list. If there's no one else worth drafting, why would we waste our money? Would you rather see the extra funds go to our core players or someone we don't rate just to fill in the numbers?
4) Also mentioned earlier but there's the list flexibility concern as well. Butts and Strachan go off the rookie list this year, we need list spots to make room for our draft picks, so we need the rookie spots so we can demote players onto that list.
5) Our scouts are watching hundreds of hours of footy a month, if they think Thorne isn't good enough then I'd trust their opinion on that.

You guys just have to trust the process for once.

 

[Mutineer]

Has Zac Dumesny shown anything at South this season?

Very little, playing Panthers Reserves like a lad that had convinced himself he was a certainty to get drafted and not taken it well.

 

[Golumless]

Mate you have no f'ing idea about the draft pool, list management or salary cap management.

1) Parnell will be taken by Freo or GWS if we don't take him. He's certainly in my top 25 for the national draft if he doesn't get taken.
2) Stop thinking that there's any AFL quality small speedy x-factor small forward. The best small forward outside the AFL is Stengle. Did Stengle come from a good family? No. What happened there? We're allowed to rate character highly, Chicago Cubs won the World Series by placing a premium on high character.
3) I mentioned earlier in this thread, but we don't HAVE to pick someone for the sake of having someone on our list. If there's no one else worth drafting, why would we waste our money? Would you rather see the extra funds go to our core players or someone we don't rate just to fill in the numbers?
4) Also mentioned earlier but there's the list flexibility concern as well. Butts and Strachan go off the rookie list this year, we need list spots to make room for our draft picks, so we need the rookie spots so we can demote players onto that list.
5) Our scouts are watching hundreds of hours of footy a month, if they think Thorne isn't good enough then I'd trust their opinion on that.

You guys just have to trust the process for once.

History has taught one lesson for every supporter base - do not trust the process until it delivers tangible results.

If it's right, it'll hold up even with it being scrutinised.

 

[DJ75]

Mate you have no f'ing idea about the draft pool, list management or salary cap management.

1) Parnell will be taken by Freo or GWS if we don't take him. He's certainly in my top 25 for the national draft if he doesn't get taken.
2) Stop thinking that there's any AFL quality small speedy x-factor small forward. The best small forward outside the AFL is Stengle. Did Stengle come from a good family? No. What happened there? We're allowed to rate character highly, Chicago Cubs won the World Series by placing a premium on high character.
3) I mentioned earlier in this thread, but we don't HAVE to pick someone for the sake of having someone on our list. If there's no one else worth drafting, why would we waste our money? Would you rather see the extra funds go to our core players or someone we don't rate just to fill in the numbers?
4) Also mentioned earlier but there's the list flexibility concern as well. Butts and Strachan go off the rookie list this year, we need list spots to make room for our draft picks, so we need the rookie spots so we can demote players onto that list.
5) Our scouts are watching hundreds of hours of footy a month, if they think Thorne isn't good enough then I'd trust their opinion on that.

You guys just have to trust the process for once.

You actually want us to trust a process led by Roo and Reid?? Are you delirious?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

yet again another example of why the crows are just the dumbest footy club going around..

alright, we get it, you morons only want to take 1 player at the most.. but even then, wouldnt the smart thing to do be to atleast move one of Milera or hinge to the LTI and give yourself the option of taking two players just incase someone decent unexpectedly slips through to the second pick?..

these fu**heads are too smart for their own good.

then.. the coach comes out just over two weeks ago and says, when asked about what we could be considering for the MSD, “we need a small forward”..

yet now we hear the rumours are we are linked to a small running defender who hasnt even been considered by anyone else or even made it anywhere near any of the draft experts top 25 players available.. probably Hamish again trying to be some sort of drafting guru enigma who wants to look all tricky and “against the grain”..

what the fu** do we need another small running defender for?.. another bloke to spend the next 6 to 18 months rotting in the SANFL while waiting for David mookay to finally fu** off into retirement?.. WTF is wrong with this club?..

we need a high pressure, xfactor, speedy small forward that loves to tackle hard, hits the scoreboard and gets a heap of possessions.. its one massively obvious hole in our list and the best player available in this MSD is the young indigenous lad Thorne.. if we dont take him then we need some new talent scouts.

maybe hamish has looked into Thorne and decided he doesnt come from a good enough family?..

melt and rant over.

Have you thought about the possibility that lots of the pressure small forwards actually played as defenders in U18s ?

just a thought , don’t rule it out until you know otherwise a Doedee would never happen

if they do take someone and have no plans to play them forward half or the player is not much be good then sure let rip !

 

[spenze]

The odds of picking up a decent player aren't all that great. Only 5 of 13 players selected in the 2019 MSD are still on an AFL list. It's no great surprise if many clubs see it as a waste of time.

5 still on a list, 8 played AFL, one is a dual premiership player. The MSD isn't about picking up the next Barlow, it's about adding something to your list you didn't see 10 months ago or compensating for LTIs.

 

[chazwazza]

If the official had any brains he'd see how good it is for the club to do right by Johnson and do whatever it can to get him drafted, be rapt for him and wish him well.

If Johnson's time with us finishes positively where will he most likely end up after his AFL career finishes, whenever that will be? Versus if we give him a bake on the way out for letting the club down

McAdam and Johnson are two from what sounds like a bit of an unknown talent Hot bed. A nice in for the club there. Don't burn that bridge.

A nice reputation to have that Sturt is a place for players who have missed out on being drafted to go to to reignite their career. A coach recently out of the AFL system, knows the ins and outs. Go there instead of <insert any other club>. Johnson goes but long term we gain...?

Or we could pettily whine about him missing a game the week before the draft and crack the shits and forego all positives

Again, you’re flinging darts blindly and again trying to speak for someone that you likely don’t know...and in a pretty negative way, and extrapolating their entire thought process about this and further into the club. I’ve never made any mention that this was to the extreme you’re jumping at, only that he wasn’t impressed as the player pulling out on the day/eve of the game.
To suggest the club or anyone there is burning bridges over this is ridiculous, I’ve just stated what’s happened, a small fact of a side story and my opinions of the MSD and of the player’s decisions and how it looks.
Seriously.

 

[chazwazza]

You'd prefer he played and played in 'self preservation mode'?

FFS. Would you like any player for your club to bail on the lead up to a game or play in self preservation mode?
The reactions of this board would be sending BF into meltdown if/when the AFL let players or clubs announce that players are moving mid season and they’re protecting themselves for their next club ala NRL.

 

[Peter Doherty]

FFS. Would you like any player for your club to bail on the lead up to a game or play in self preservation mode?

I'd completely understand the situation and be fine with him not playing.

He's not playing because next week he will be a professional footballer, if he does a knee in that game he never gets that contract. It's just one game, not much to ask.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Again, you’re flinging darts blindly and again trying to speak for someone that you likely don’t know...and in a pretty negative way, and extrapolating their entire thought process about this and further into the club. I’ve never made any mention that this was to the extreme you’re jumping at, only that he wasn’t impressed as the player pulling out on the day/eve of the game.
To suggest the club or anyone there is burning bridges over this is ridiculous, I’ve just stated what’s happened, a small fact of a side story and my opinions of the MSD and of the player’s decisions and how it looks.
Seriously.

Actually, it was me saying that the club didn't think like this

It was you trying to assure me that they (and all other state league clubs) do, based on your inside word from this club official

 

[StonesThrow]

If they sign up for the draft. Yes.

Do we know who has said yes to a half a year contract? Would you leave your Sanfl team for half a season only to have to move back during the pre season?

If we're signing up Sanfl quality players past this season, I don't think that's a great strategy.

I'm all for identifying long term smokies.

 

[Deaneus!]

so dumb we didn’t shift Hinge/Milera etc to LTI just for a 6 month trial

Its a free hit FFS

 

[Thetrader15]

You need to understand the list flexibility. We have Butts and Strachan (probably) that will be coming off the rookie list onto the senior list and we need spots for our other players. Will need to push a few players to the rookie list end of the year so that we can take enough picks in the national draft.

You're not seriously saying we will probably upgrade 25 year old Kieren Strachan to the senior list are you?

 

[The Smith Revolution]

Mate you have no f'ing idea about the draft pool, list management or salary cap management.

1) Parnell will be taken by Freo or GWS if we don't take him. He's certainly in my top 25 for the national draft if he doesn't get taken.
2) Stop thinking that there's any AFL quality small speedy x-factor small forward. The best small forward outside the AFL is Stengle. Did Stengle come from a good family? No. What happened there? We're allowed to rate character highly, Chicago Cubs won the World Series by placing a premium on high character.
3) I mentioned earlier in this thread, but we don't HAVE to pick someone for the sake of having someone on our list. If there's no one else worth drafting, why would we waste our money? Would you rather see the extra funds go to our core players or someone we don't rate just to fill in the numbers?
4) Also mentioned earlier but there's the list flexibility concern as well. Butts and Strachan go off the rookie list this year, we need list spots to make room for our draft picks, so we need the rookie spots so we can demote players onto that list.
5) Our scouts are watching hundreds of hours of footy a month, if they think Thorne isn't good enough then I'd trust their opinion on that.

You guys just have to trust the process for once.

Aah mate, have you ever looked at Aroldis Chapman’s wrap sheet? Cubs did not pick every player on character


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[rocket18]

so dumb we didn’t shift Hinge/Milera etc to LTI just for a 6 month trial

Its a free hit FFS

And it helps our current non best 22 by allowing them to play with better players - not so many tops ups. What are we averaging? 8 or 9 top ups per week?

So typically AFC.

We Know What We Are Doing.

 

[Brenton Davy]

Aah mate, have you ever looked at Aroldis Chapman’s wrap sheet? Cubs did not pick every player on character


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Probably threatened them with torture by 105mph fast ball if they didn’t pick him...

 

[TryAnHit]

Its not really a free hit.. it's 100k+ and having 1 less list spot come national draft

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Come on peeps. Oliver Davis is a shoe in. He’d be on a promise.

 

[Skippos]

Mate you have no f'ing idea about the draft pool, list management or salary cap management.

1) Parnell will be taken by Freo or GWS if we don't take him. He's certainly in my top 25 for the national draft if he doesn't get taken.
2) Stop thinking that there's any AFL quality small speedy x-factor small forward. The best small forward outside the AFL is Stengle. Did Stengle come from a good family? No. What happened there? We're allowed to rate character highly, Chicago Cubs won the World Series by placing a premium on high character.
3) I mentioned earlier in this thread, but we don't HAVE to pick someone for the sake of having someone on our list. If there's no one else worth drafting, why would we waste our money? Would you rather see the extra funds go to our core players or someone we don't rate just to fill in the numbers?
4) Also mentioned earlier but there's the list flexibility concern as well. Butts and Strachan go off the rookie list this year, we need list spots to make room for our draft picks, so we need the rookie spots so we can demote players onto that list.
5) Our scouts are watching hundreds of hours of footy a month, if they think Thorne isn't good enough then I'd trust their opinion on that.

You guys just have to trust the process for once.

I'd like us to select Parnell. I think top 25 is a stretch, 40-50 perhaps. But that's still value. Him or any other 19 year old who slipped through the cracks.

Freo won't be pouncing though, they don't have a selection. That Thorne has been under their eyes all year and they're electing to not even consider it is probably enough evidence for the Thorne brigade. I'd be surprised if he was selected. You're correct, Stengle is probably the only AFL standard SF in the pool. Lowson, perhaps - but he's more Weightman style small than Charlie Cameron style small.

 

[Footypie32]

"When we get him out of rehab and onto the park"

We're re-drafting Stengle?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Whatever the case, the club needs to explain to its members/supporters why we passed up the opportunity to draft (try out) 2-3 players, instead of 1. I think we deserve to know. I'm quietly frustrated.

This is fair enough

It doesn't scream to me that it's one of those complete hair-brained decisions, that's all

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Mate you have no f'ing idea about the draft pool, list management or salary cap management.

1) Parnell will be taken by Freo or GWS if we don't take him. He's certainly in my top 25 for the national draft if he doesn't get taken.
2) Stop thinking that there's any AFL quality small speedy x-factor small forward. The best small forward outside the AFL is Stengle. Did Stengle come from a good family? No. What happened there? We're allowed to rate character highly, Chicago Cubs won the World Series by placing a premium on high character.
3) I mentioned earlier in this thread, but we don't HAVE to pick someone for the sake of having someone on our list. If there's no one else worth drafting, why would we waste our money? Would you rather see the extra funds go to our core players or someone we don't rate just to fill in the numbers?
4) Also mentioned earlier but there's the list flexibility concern as well. Butts and Strachan go off the rookie list this year, we need list spots to make room for our draft picks, so we need the rookie spots so we can demote players onto that list.
5) Our scouts are watching hundreds of hours of footy a month, if they think Thorne isn't good enough then I'd trust their opinion on that.

You guys just have to trust the process for once.

I wonder if the primary factor is that list flexibility concern you’ve mentioned. What if we’ve left some space for incoming players like Stephens/CCJ? Maybe talks with their managers progressed, who knows.


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[BRL121]

This is fair enough

It doesn't scream to me that it's one of those complete hair-brained decisions, that's all

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