List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[AirWinmar]

Id be seriously grumpy if we lose Spook for nothing. Getting a bit tired of paying overs for players we want, yet when was the last time someone paid us overs for one of ours???

Rhys Stanley

 

[sunny3193]

If we hypothetically signed a free agent.
We wouldn’t get any for dunstan anyway.

Or, for their own good reasons, Adelaide and St Kilda have informally decided to rookie list Dunstan and Talia respectively….

 

[Saintos The ITK]

On the other hand there are people on here that post utter BS either to get attention or hope like Feck one of their stupid posts becomes true , why anyone is so desperate to be thought of as an ITK is beyond me

I agree

 

[AirWinmar]

Not really trade related, but these threads tend to become all encompassing in the off season anyway.

Will be really interesting to see how we structure up as a forwardline next year. King looks ready to absolutely explode. Quite often when players get to the level of dominance I think he is capable of, the system tends to adapt to use that player as somewhat of a decoy to allow the other forwards to cash in. Franklin 2013 and JRoo the two most recent examples.

I think with the likes of Membrey, Sharman and Higgins, we have the weapons that we could set up a really potent forwardline that is dangerous across the board. Membrey in particular is the one I think we should be priming for a big season inside 50. With King drawing the attention, get Membrey back to his old role and I reckon he'll kick 50 odd goals. I think we are probably better off if Membrey and King both kick 50 odd goals, than if King kicks 60-70 and Membrey kicks 30 odd.

At the same time though, you don't want to jump the gun before King is at that level. It's also exciting to imagine the prospect of him just tearing a season up. Good options for the coaching staff to have.

I wander if he has the tank for it would we be better off playing him as chf and Members and Sharman deep forward. King is a great outlet option, decent field kick and has a nice kick for goal at around the 55mt range. I think Members and Sharman better to play deep forward. Both very good shots for goal and great leading patterns.

 

[Joffaboy]

Thats fine . I guess I'm not in that tight nit group and really doesn't bother me as in the end we know the same thing , someone finding out info earlier doesn't make them any better .
I don't think i bag them out although i make ask them where they heard it , if that's bagging out someone they need to harden the feck up.
If that's true what you said about Battle well he can pack his bags and p155 off

I don't think I am in any tight nit group Risky, and I am not puffing my cheas out like it means something that I heard something before anyone else.

I actually agree there is plenty of bs spouted on here. I usually check the posters nic and many times I just move on as I know it is unreliable.

And when I say they get bagged out that wasn't directed at you, I honesty can't recall you doing that.

We were discussing Rahul before. A good honset poster with the best intrest of the club who got info from it that made the forum more interesting and fun. W2L tells me he was hounded off here by some which is a loss to the forum in my view.

Anyway I know stuff you don't so there

 

[CaptainRisky]

I don't think I am in any tight nit group Risky, and I am not puffing my cheas out like it means something that I heard something before anyone else.

I actually agree there is plenty of bs spouted on here. I usually check the posters nic and many times I just move on as I know it is unreliable.

And when I say they get bagged out that wasn't directed at you, I honesty can't recall you doing that.

We were discussing Rahul before. A good honset poster with the best intrest of the club who got info from it that made the forum more interesting and fun. W2L tells me he was hounded off here by some which is a loss to the forum in my view.

Anyway I know stuff you don't so there

Iv said on here a few times a guy who does a lot of work for me and is a friend is super close to Ratts and catches up with him most weekends but the Ratt sure wont spill his guts , he gives him nothing at all , which is good in a way as you wouldn't want the coach telling stories of his players ect

 

[JimmyMann]

I wander if he has the tank for it would we be better off playing him as chf and Members and Sharman deep forward. King is a great outlet option, decent field kick and has a nice kick for goal at around the 55mt range. I think Members and Sharman better to play deep forward. Both very good shots for goal and great leading patterns.

I disagree, the further he is from goal, the more favours you do for the opposition. Let him take pack marks and allow him to take it overhead on the lead, even Geelong's backline were shitting themselves trying to work out how to spoil him before he got hurt. Max isn't Nick Riewoldt and neither should he try to be, he's more lethal for us drawing 2 key defenders out of the goal square than offering an outlet on the wings.

Rotate Membrey, Sharman and even Higgins as high half forwards throughout a game if we really need help marking there.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

 

[bergholt]

He actually looks a bit like a young Mick Jones

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

I disagree, the further he is from goal, the more favours you do for the opposition. Let him take pack marks and allow him to take it overhead on the lead, even Geelong's backline were shitting themselves trying to work out how to spoil him before he got hurt. Max isn't Nick Riewoldt and neither should he try to be, he's more lethal for us drawing 2 key defenders out of the goal square than offering an outlet on the wings.

Rotate Membrey, Sharman and even Higgins as high half forwards throughout a game if we really need help marking there.

Yep. Let Maxy be that contested marking beast that he seems to naturally be. Sharman is a player that could become that non stop running, leading, presenting player though, seems to have a bit of it in his game already. Build his tank up even more

 

[JediSaint]

Could Battle take the Coffield spot in the backline and Coff go more into the guts? I mean, Coff was drafted as a midfielder and in typical Saints fashion we haven't played him there.

Don’t forget Coffs had interest from the Hawks. That could still play out and Battle can stay.

 

[jh38]

Could Battle take the Coffield spot in the backline and Coff go more into the guts? I mean, Coff was drafted as a midfielder and in typical Saints fashion we haven't played him there.

I could see Coffield being a defensive winger, gives him the freedom to intercept without much consequence, but also allows him to have a bit more responsibility disposal wise which could help him grow. probably a bit slow to be in the midfield at the moment.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Don’t forget Coffs had interest from the Hawks. That could still play out and Battle can stay.

As much as I like Battle I'd take Coffield over him on any day. Appears to have far more upside.

 

[tomjoad]

I did think that. A few might be a bit surprised next year when their bullshit is exposed

Unfortunately the criteria for bullshit can be manufactured out of thinnest of air and subsequently pulled in any direction. It is multidimensional in its plasticity. Needless to say that plastic reporting is a pre-requisite of 99.9% of all sport journalism. They are masters of their craft even if they do speak in a series of shrieks and howls.

 

[saintsrfreak]

As much as I like Battle I'd take Coffield over him on any day. Appears to have far more upside.

Reckon Coff, Highmore and Wilkie all have potential to up with the best interceptors in the comp

 

[Yawkey way]

I don't think I am in any tight nit group Risky, and I am not puffing my cheas out like it means something that I heard something before anyone else.

I actually agree there is plenty of bs spouted on here. I usually check the posters nic and many times I just move on as I know it is unreliable.

And when I say they get bagged out that wasn't directed at you, I honesty can't recall you doing that.

We were discussing Rahul before. A good honset poster with the best intrest of the club who got info from it that made the forum more interesting and fun. W2L tells me he was hounded off here by some which is a loss to the forum in my view.

Anyway I know stuff you don't so there

I remember Rahul he had some interesting information and I liked his posts but I don’t remember any hounding as such. I read this site for years before posting and there have been quite a lot of great posters come and go. I think you can expect to have just about everything you post discussed and sometimes taken with a grain of salt, it’s a footy forum what do people expect. The one thing that has left me gobsmacked is that some people abuse and threaten others by pm, that’s over the top.

 

[11men1cup]

I did my best 22 for next year and forgot to include Gresham. Feels like he hasn't played at all for 3/4 years.

I pray he'll be back to his best after his Achilles. He could be that x factor mid we are craving for

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[SaintsSeptember]

Don’t forget Coffs had interest from the Hawks. That could still play out and Battle can stay.

That's like saying , if they poached Marshall we'd need to keep Lonie. OK not as extreme, but Coffield and Battle are not similar players.

 

[Bill Mohr]

I disagree, the further he is from goal, the more favours you do for the opposition. Let him take pack marks and allow him to take it overhead on the lead, even Geelong's backline were shitting themselves trying to work out how to spoil him before he got hurt. Max isn't Nick Riewoldt and neither should he try to be, he's more lethal for us drawing 2 key defenders out of the goal square than offering an outlet on the wings.

Rotate Membrey, Sharman and even Higgins as high half forwards throughout a game if we really need help marking there.

His kicking from distance did improve in the last few games- he has to lead up now and that is obvious- we dont want it bombed on his head, that did not work half of the year despite his good marking prowess and the good full backs spoil you all day. If he is on the burst and marks 40 -50 m i have no problem he will kick reasonably accurately.

 

[HunterClarksCandyShop]

Re getting nothing for Dunstan, let’s not forget that halfway through the season (or even at the start) his papers were stamped and he was going to be delisted anyway. He only got a game because injuries meant we would have had to list Daniel Wulf

Daniel Wulf

Age

44

Ht

188cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.8

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.4

3star

’s second cousin’s neighbour’s geriatric cat as a mid-season supplemental category Z rookie player to field a full team.

Good on him for grabbing the chance to draw interest from another/other AFL clubs. Reasonable minds may differ on the fairness of his treatment over the past couple of seasons, but I think most will agree he’s been a loyal servant of St Kilda since being drafted.

I wish him well at his new club.

 

[Ducky Tie]

I wander if he has the tank for it would we be better off playing him as chf and Members and Sharman deep forward. King is a great outlet option, decent field kick and has a nice kick for goal at around the 55mt range. I think Members and Sharman better to play deep forward. Both very good shots for goal and great leading patterns.

I disagree, the further he is from goal, the more favours you do for the opposition. Let him take pack marks and allow him to take it overhead on the lead, even Geelong's backline were shitting themselves trying to work out how to spoil him before he got hurt. Max isn't Nick Riewoldt and neither should he try to be, he's more lethal for us drawing 2 key defenders out of the goal square than offering an outlet on the wings.

Rotate Membrey, Sharman and even Higgins as high half forwards throughout a game if we really need help marking there.

Yeah I don't think playing King as a genuine CHF is the go. I think the aim for the forward group should be to find a way to have Max and either Sharman/Membrey occupying space deep inside the 50, in a way that they can work together and not get in each other's way. Let Max draw the attention while the other one gets let off the chain a bit. Sort of dynamic that needs a full pre season of working together and experience playing together to understand the movement patterns of one another. King/Membrey/Sharman should play a lot of footy together though, so there's no reason they shouldn't form a really strong dynamic.

 

[Free_Billy]

Dunstan plays his best footy in the back half season of the final year of his contract, screw him...

As for Battle, we need to keep him, so versatile. remember how important he was last year, at his best he makes it easily.

How do we get Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

?

 

[hangdog]

AFL Media: "Mitch, without knowing precisely whether Battle will leave, would you say it's time for Saints fans to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?"

Mitch Cleary: "Yes I would, Kent."

 

[GeTrain]

I disagree, the further he is from goal, the more favours you do for the opposition. Let him take pack marks and allow him to take it overhead on the lead, even Geelong's backline were shitting themselves trying to work out how to spoil him before he got hurt. Max isn't Nick Riewoldt and neither should he try to be, he's more lethal for us drawing 2 key defenders out of the goal square than offering an outlet on the wings.

Rotate Membrey, Sharman and even Higgins as high half forwards throughout a game if we really need help marking there.

early on in the game it's probably a good idea to push up the ground a bit so he gets involved early, get the confidence up with a few marks and what not but majority of the game he should stay within 70m to goal

 

[_Maximus_12]

I remember Rahul he had some interesting information and I liked his posts but I don’t remember any hounding as such. I read this site for years before posting and there have been quite a lot of great posters come and go. I think you can expect to have just about everything you post discussed and sometimes taken with a grain of salt, it’s a footy forum what do people expect. The one thing that has left me gobsmacked is that some people abuse and threaten others by pm, that’s over the top.

I was also a big fan of Rahul's. I've been here for a little while now, but I've never had or seen any legitimate abuse. Some uber proud opinions, or posters, but generally we're a well decent bunch.