List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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Continued in Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[StCicatriz]

I don’t think we really need to go after another ‘24th best player in a good side’. They very rarely magically transform into very good players.

Whatever pick we would use on Lipinski is better used at the draft.

Let Libba find us more gems.


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+1 to this

 

[EWarren2017]

If it’s possible absolutely, but from all reports they won’t even entertain it this year so I’m taking that into account.

brace yourself

 

[Sully111]

I'm torn

I want us to go to the draft and get the best mid possible for our future. Then we have a crack at Bing next year.

It's the smart way to go about it, long term.

I also want us to cut some dead wood.


Part of me though wants to go hard after Parker and try and get Bing now. Couple of Firsts and Battle.

Try and strike next year. We've still got Ryder. If he and Marshall can get some games together they've shown they can be a formidable pairing. Players like Membery aren't getting any better. Max looks ready to go to me. And who knows, a miracle might happen and we could get some use out of Hanners in his last season.

I might be dreaming but i wouldn't be upset if we go hard. Might change my mind tomorrow though.


2 king boys up forward. Higgins Butler and Gresh at their feet. Sharman Marshall and Membery.

Parker in the guts with Steele Crouch and Jones. Hopefully Clark going well. Byrnes and Bytel too.

Backs look solid with Highmore a great addition. Paton back.

Good Rucks.

Call me crazy but it looks good to me.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Really I don't give a rats ass if we get him or not but 2 write off a 23yr who in one game against us took 10 marks and has picked 30 odd possessions in a game and can't get midfield time because guys like Dunkley are going to leave if they don't get midfield time and then they pick up that Treloar you can see why he wants out.

The same about Battle he is basically the same age and still has got massive scope.
Lipinski could well be last years Parish however no one wanted Parish and now he is a All Australian.

We don't have the draft picks or players to trade if we are going after a ruck /forward , picking a mid in the draft and trying to get Owens and Windbager - so Lipinski will go to a team who has got the collateral.

If we did have the currency, what would you give up for him?

 

[Premium]

If we did have the currency, what would you give up for him?

Something around the 30s , but it's just a guess or swap Lonie.

 

[EWarren2017]

Sydney are also keen on Lipinski. They don't get it wrong too often.

Sydney can barley keep their captain..not sure they are getting anyone

 

[hangdog]

Sydney can barley keep their captain..not sure they are getting anyone

Not saying they can, only that they have identified him as a want.

 

[saintsmania]

Speed is overrated..not every mid needs speed..footy IQ is more important and you only have to look at guys like Bont, Macrae, Selwood etc..ofcourse not comparing Lipinski to these guns but no reason why he cannot thrive and be successful by playing as a pure midfielder who can occasionally go forward given his height.

Future 3rd..take it or leave and he can walk as a DFA or through the PSD

 

[SaintsSeptember]

With development. We took Jack Steele from GWS. He was behind plenty of other mids. We developed him and gave him opportunities at the Saints. He is now better then all of the GWS mids.

Not saying that Lipinski is Jack Steele calibre, that’s up to the club to decide. But that would be the logic behind it.

Edit: IDK how to tag but Anythings_siposible beat me by about 30 seconds with this point

Lipinski has had plenty of senior game time, he's way older than Bytel with more opprotunity , but performs similarly.
He started off pretty well, but has shown little sign that he's improving.

Comparing with Parish. Parish was inconsistent, but he started racking up contested possessions from the get go.

 

[sammm]

Something around the 30s , but it's just a guess or swap Lonie.

Lonie couldn't get a spot in any other team last year, which is why he stayed with the saints. interesting to see if anyone gives him an option.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Speed is overrated..not every mid needs speed..footy IQ is more important and you only have to look at guys like Bont, Macrae, Selwood etc..ofcourse not comparing Lipinski to these guns but no reason why he cannot thrive and be successful by playing as a pure midfielder who can occasionally go forward given his height.

Future 3rd..take it or leave and he can walk as a DFA or through the PSD

Fair enough.
The we can spend most of next year debating whether Lipinski or Bytel should be playing. Fun times ahead.

 

[Premium]

Lonie couldn't get a spot in any other team last year, which is why he stayed with the saints. interesting to see if anyone gives him an option.

Suppose they will give him a contract instead of giving him away for nothing, but he most probably wants to see if he can get more game time somewhere else.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Fair enough.
The we can spend most of next year debating whether Lipinski or Bytel should be playing. Fun times ahead.

I’m not sure whether I want Lipinski because he’s potential value or because I love an underdog player.

 

[Premium]

Fair enough.
The we can spend most of next year debating whether Lipinski or Bytel should be playing. Fun times ahead.

Still nothing on Billings and Ross - having not signed as yet they must be looking at other options.

 

[St Neil]

brace yourself

What do you know?

 

[Bill Mohr]

I like Lipinski, speed or no speed, he can play the game. He's just unlucky to be at a side with 6-7 very good to elite midfielders. Would be an upgrade on Kent. Even if he only averaged 15-20 touches, his retention would be higher than Dunstan. If he comes across and he's not in our best 22, then we're in a good spot.

None of the saints mids are good disposers apart from Steele. Check out Jones, Dunstans & Crouch skill set. Gresham is not flash either and none of that group are quick off the mark apart from Jones although Gresh is a bit different. Lipinski worth a look, Steele was well back at the giants when we got him.

 

[_Maximus_12]

The longer the Billings situation drags on, the more inclined I think he is to leave. If he's not going to accept a four year deal from us today, then it tells me he's holding out for a club in the finals to finish up before making an announcement.

 

[Ducky Tie]

None of the saints mids are good disposers apart from Steele. Check out Jones, Dunstans & Crouch skill set. Gresham is not flash either and none of that group are quick off the mark apart from Jones although Gresh is a bit different. Lipinski worth a look, Steele was well back at the giants when we got him.

I actually think Jones has kicked the footy really well this year. He's kicking at 68% this year, up from 54% last year. Disposal efficiency can be a flawed stat for players who just chip it around or go for long kicks to a contest, which get recorded as an effective kick. Jones doesn't do that though. He is often running at full pace and goes for penetrating kicks far more than most of our midfielders. To be kicking at 68% is really good for a midfielder - particularly one that takes the game on as much as Jones. His clanger count is also down from 3.6 last year, to 2.8 this year, despite longer games meaning he finds more of the footy.

There was a bit of talk when Rath came over about his specialisation at refining players' kicking technique. I wonder if he's had an impact with Jones.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Jack Steele.

How old was Steeley when we got him?

How old is Lipinski?

(20 v 23, 17 games v 49 for those playing along).

Lipinski is the Shane Birss for a new generation

 

[St Kilda Death]

Fair enough.
The we can spend most of next year debating whether Lipinski or Bytel should be playing. Fun times ahead.

Having guys fighting for a spot is exactly where you want to be.
Rather than this year when a bloke as limited as dunstan was clearly the best option we had.

 

[Mowman]

Having guys fighting for a spot is exactly where you want to be.
Rather than this year when a bloke as limited as dunstan was clearly the best option we had.

We had Kent - Lonie - Long - Butler fighting for a spot lol

 

[St Kilda Death]

How old was Steeley when we got him?

How old is Lipinski?

(20 v 23, 17 games v 49 for those playing along).

Lipinski is the Shane Birss for a new generation

Never heard of him.

And I’m definitely not saying he will be anywhere near Steeles level,
Just comparing for his preferred position the club he is at one of the strongest/deepest.
And I think he has more to show than he’s been able to at Footscray, the question is how much?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

As Libba is the head of talent identification, if we choose to back his opinion then that includes trades for 24th best players in good sides.
We do need a couple more ready to go solders at any rate, and if we're planning to take our NGA's then we can spare a pick anyway.

We don't need ready made soldiers actually. The majority of the list is aged between 23 & 28.

We are very short on in young talent however... Max Heath at 18, Allison, Connolly & Byrnes (19), Coops & Winx (20).

We need to continue to bring more kids in through the draft IMO.

If Lipinski was a freebie then maybe, but he won't be so I'd prefer to hit the draft.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Drop enough , you never know

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Never heard of him.

And I’m definitely not saying he will be anywhere near Steeles level,
Just comparing for his preferred position the club he is at one of the strongest/deepest.
And I think he has more to show than he’s been able to at Footscray, the question is how much?

In the great track watching lingo...

prefer others.