List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[CaptainRisky]

Something around the 30s , but it's just a guess or swap Lonie.

A pick around 30 or a lonie swap are miles apart , lucky to get a fourth for lonie and Lipinski is no where near a secound round pick , third at best IMO

 

[CaptainRisky]

In the great track watching lingo...

prefer others.

Looking elsewhere

 

[CaptainRisky]

In the great track watching lingo...

prefer others.

Needs further

 

[wolfpac13]

NYC is a great travel destination IMO..

 

[gringo2011]

Riddle me this... how do we beat the bulldogs if we take their 8-9th best midfielder and he is in our best 4-5?

I guess because people believe that given a run at a full time mid spot he could be as good as their established talent.

 

[The Boar]

different positions, kent gets a hard wrap but he's pretty handy as a transition player. lipinski is a midfielder, are we really gonna do the same old of playing midfielders in the forwardline?

Lipinski can play high half forward as an additional midfielder and link player between the arcs if he is more midfield oriented.

The rotation would work, playing forward wouldn't mean he sits and waits in a pocket.

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[ScrappyDo]

Still nothing on Billings and Ross - having not signed as yet they must be looking at other options.

I'm very impressed that we've offered JB a 4 year deal on less than he wants. He's got to forgo his prime earning years and dedicate to the club and group and can't hedge his bets with another 2 year deal.
Elite contract handling by Gags there.

 

[kernelT]

If we did have the currency, what would you give up for him?

Draft cost is one aspect, but we’d also be looking at 3 or 4 years at 400 clams I imagine... he’d need to be a certain starter in our 22 to warrant tying up the cap space.

 

[gringo2011]

Not necessarily throwing my hat in the ring for Lipinski, but Jack Steele was the 8-9th best mid at the Giants when we got him, and he's turned out OK.

Steele would have been 20 years old and 2 years into his career though. Lipinski must be mid 20s by now. He's been around a long time.

 

[gringo2011]

As Libba is the head of talent identification, if we choose to back his opinion then that includes trades for 24th best players in good sides.
We do need a couple more ready to go solders at any rate, and if we're planning to take our NGA's then we can spare a pick anyway.

Unless it's Gubby trying to look busy.

 

[ScrappyDo]

We don't need ready made soldiers actually. The majority of the list is aged between 23 & 28.

We are very short on in young talent however... Max Heath at 18, Allison, Connolly & Byrnes (19), Coops & Winx (20).

We need to continue to bring more kids in through the draft IMO.

If Lipinski was a freebie then maybe, but he won't be so I'd prefer to hit the draft.

It would depend on cost. Our 3rd round pick for example will be lost to NGA's so we may as well sell it off.

 

[Premium]

Hawks after Schultz
Pies after Wiedeman
Bombers after Chol
Saints after McLean
Suns after Dunstan
Brander
Narkle
Constable
Billings
Ross
Battle
Lonie
Lipinski
Riccardi
Parker

 

[CaptainRisky]

Draft cost is one aspect, but we’d also be looking at 3 or 4 years at 400 clams I imagine... he’d need to be a certain starter in our 22 to warrant tying up the cap space.

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No thanks

 

[kernelT]

16 games in...

 

[ScrappyDo]

Steele would have been 20 years old and 2 years into his career though. Lipinski must be mid 20s by now. He's been around a long time.

Just turned 23. No problem..

 

[CaptainRisky]

Hawks after Schultz
Pies after Wiedeman
Bombers after Chol
Saints after McLean
Suns after Dunstan
Brander
Narkle
Constable
Billings
Ross
Battle
Lonie
Lipinski
Riccardi
Parker

 

[gringo2011]

Lipinski has had plenty of senior game time, he's way older than Bytel with more opportunity , but performs similarly.
He started off pretty well, but has shown little sign that he's improving.

Pre-draft he was described :...
Summary profile: Athletic forward who can also push up through the midfield. High leaper who moves well.

One of the bulldog supporters made this comment after they drafted him, asked about his weaknesses.
" Main weakness is a bit too fold. Too slow to play outside. Not physical enough to play inside. That said his biggest strength is both his elite disposal in both in space and in congestion. If he can find some pace or become more physical in contests he'll become a genuine player. "

By contrast the Saints did well to spot Steele after his 17 games at AFL level.

Steele was already a well regarded player at under 18, he made the AA squad and was bid on at 16 by the Roos but went to Giants as an academy pick up at 24. We got into his ear at the right time with so many ahead of him.....most have since left.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

One Minute

"You can never have enough mids"

"We must draft mids, mids, mids!"

"All the best teams have 12 blokes who can run through the middle"


Nek Minnit

Despite the fact we're likely to lose 2 of our current mids:

"Don't draft player X (mid from opposition club) because he will take games off player Y (another current St Kilda mid)"

 

[Mangus]

Not against Lipinski has a skill set we need. He represents a point of difference to Steele and Crouch in the Midfield and King will appreciate his delivery inside 50. 5 years in the system means he should be ready train and play at AFL consistent level body has probably just about filled out on his 190cm frame. Probably wont get the disposal numbers of Dunstan or Ross but will make the ones he does get count. I haven't really watched him closely but always thought he looked like a damaging player and wondered why he didn't get more regular games. He is not necessarily a better player than Dunstan for example but he is probably a better fit.

He might not improve and remain a fringe player but has upside and seems like the right kind of target for us. Trade price will be the key though we tend to throw our future seconds every year maybe with some late picks coming back from the Doggies. I imagine Dogs see him like we see Battle surplus to needs but with some value to increase their draft hand.

I would also be into Chol is a UFA so free hit great athlete can play back up ruck with the ability to play up forward would be a big upgrade on Hunter and McKernan.

 

[stavro#4]

Hawks after Schultz
Pies after Wiedeman
Bombers after Chol
Saints after McLean
Suns after Dunstan
Brander
Narkle
Constable
Billings
Ross
Battle
Lonie
Lipinski
Riccardi
Parker

Port keen on Billings

 

[The Boar]

Lipinski is more like a glacial Brad Hill than Kent... really not what we need and we don’t have the right pick... if we get a pick in his range we should be taking it to the draft or chasing a player who actually fills a role we need.

FMD battle is a great user of the ball too and is much more versatile than Lipisnki, we’re pissing into the wind if we swap those two just because we can.

Lonie + Change for Lipinski.
The Dogs were keen on Lonie I believe.

Both fringe players who'll benefit from a change of scenery

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[Saint_Dos]

What have they got that we want, no picks that’s for sure.

Lynch + something else? Sier maybe?
Would still prefer we keep Battle but if it is a must trade then could have a little bit of upside. Not sure they have much else to part with that they would be willing to

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

Steele would have been 20 years old and 2 years into his career though. Lipinski must be mid 20s by now. He's been around a long time.

Yeah, I think Steele may have been 21 (was maybe drafted as an overager?), but I get your point.
I guess I was more trying to make the point that being a non-best 22 midfielder, or even a non-best 22 player for that matter, doesnt necessarily mean that that player couldn't become better. More so when you're at a club that is stacked in that area.
I should probably also say that I have no idea about Lipinski or what kind of player he's like
Edit: i might be thinking of Dunkley with the over ager thing

 

[Yawkey way]

Lycn

Lynch + something else? Sier maybe?
Would still prefer we keep Battle but if it is a must trade then could have a little bit of upside. Not sure they have much else to part with that they would be willing to

They have quite a few we might want because they’re not short of young talent but I doubt a player swap is what we have in mind if we trade battle. Sier is just a straight up no and Lynch will be staying because Cox is going and at some point maybe they want to shed the million they pay Grundy.

 

[Yawkey way]

Port keen on Billings

Pay up.