List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I like Verrall too, and I'm not against Lemmey as a 199cm swingman, especially if he's available in the rookie draft.

Saw a highlights video of him against North Adelaide playing as an intercepting CHB. Think it's the best footage I've seen of him TBH.

Yep I think defence will be his best role

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It appears to be a wise move .....move out Pick #23 so as not to be gobbled up my Michalanney .....then "potentially" use both next years 2nd round picks, in high demand, to get back into this Draft

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I think we are a long shot to do the later but hope it’s an option !

 

[TheMelbourneCrow]

What are the chances Keeler slips to the rookie draft, if so do we delist borlase and bring him in as Cat B

 

[Eagleboy2011]

What are the chances Keeler slips to the rookie draft, if so do we delist borlase and bring him in as Cat B

or Newchurch

 

[baldandbroke]

Incrementally it will.

Winding it back to a 12 team ELITE national competition would increase the skill/entertainment level. So the opposite of adding team 15,16,17,18,19 has to decrease the skill/entertainment.

More elite players on the field = better skills = better spectacle.

Its why you get bigger crowds at the AFL then SANFL, bigger crowds at SANFL then Ammos etc

Very simplistic idea imo.

So a two team competition would provide the ultimate in entertainment? Maybe VicEast vs VicWest?

Did all you fellow South Australians find AFL less entertaining when the competition expanded to include a team from SA?

I bet the Victorians were screaming that the talent would be spread too thin and the level would drop

 

[Crows I Am]

No Isaac Keeler and Harry Barnett at 28?

Some fall from grace for Keeler

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

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Will be very interesting to see what happens with Keeler if he doesn't get taken in the first 40, surely we have to take him. But with no lists spots they will have to get creative.

 

[Betts are off]

Will be very interesting to see what happens with Keeler if he doesn't get taken in the first 40, surely we have to take him. But with no lists spots they will have to get creative.

Oh man, I didn't even consider Keeler making it to pick 40. But the way he seems to be sliding its totally possible.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

What are the chances Keeler slips to the rookie draft, if so do we delist borlase and bring him in as Cat B

teams get 3 cat B's

 

[Mutineer]

When AFL’s father-son guns will earn draft bids... and why Lions are set for a huge haul

When AFL’s father-son guns will earn draft bids... and why Lions are set for a huge haul

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Arguably the NGA prospect that will be flirting with that Pick 40 cut-off the most is Isaac Keeler, who’s tied to Adelaide.

A 198cm forward-ruck prospect, Keeler started the year with some monster SANFL Under 18s games then turned heads for SA against the Allies with a three-goal haul. On his freakish talent alone, he’s a first-round draft prospect – but his lack of consistency has some recruiters thinking he’ll be in the mid to late second-round mix.

 

[Play On Advantage]

the most worrying thing is we currently dont have enough points to match at 16 without going into deficit on our first round pick next year. hope this rumour is wrong.

i don't believe we will match at 16.

We 100% will match.

Our picks rise immediately to 42, 51 and 54 following the Ashcroft bid. That is a total points value of 874 points.

A bid at pick 16 (worst case scenario) means we need to match 1067 points less 20% which is 853.6 points.

If a bid doesnt come there, I expect as we go further past pick 16 without a bid, the club will look to trade picks for the most beneficial outcome (eg moving useful assets to next years draft while retaining enough points to still match or trading back into this draft prior to a bid).

 

[Mostyn]

Time to leak a bogus scandal

I think we're one of the teams that don't want him, fwiw

 

[Mostyn]

teams get 3 cat B's

I think during COVID it was dropped to two.

 

[hippyhippy]

It appears to be a wise move .....move out Pick #23 so as not to be gobbled up my Michalanney .....then "potentially" use both next years 2nd round picks, in high demand, to get back into this Draft

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I know nothing of the draft... would people rate him as good as brown? Who just retired?

 

[crow2crow]

We 100% will match.

Our picks rise immediately to 42, 51 and 54 following the Ashcroft bid. That is a total points value of 874 points.

A bid at pick 16 (worst case scenario) means we need to match 1067 points less 20% which is 853.6 points.

If a bid doesnt come there, I expect as we go further past pick 16 without a bid, the club will look to trade picks for the most beneficial outcome (eg moving useful assets to next years draft while retaining enough points to still match or trading back into this draft prior to a bid).

thanks i'd forgotten about the picks rising from the ashcroft and potentially flether bids

otherwise we would have been in deficit which you definitely dont want going into the first round next year

 

[Mostyn]

I know nothing of the draft... would people rate him as good as brown? Who just retired?

I think Doedee or Rampe would be the hope.

 

[crow2crow]

I think Doedee or Rampe would be the hope.

I think they're hoping ben hart to be honest

 

[conVINCEd]

I’ve got Dylan Grimes

2

Dylan Grimes

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

136.0

2star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

136.0

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

in mind for Max’s future. He’s not flashy but I’m pumped to (hopefully) be snaffling him.

 

[maxlilly]

Very simplistic idea imo.

So a two team competition would provide the ultimate in entertainment?

Some of those State of Origin games years ago were epic

 

[WeeBlake]

Looking forward to seeing Max. I already thought we could live with losing Doedee but if Max turns out ok even better. I am happy with our taller defender stocks, just need to get games into Butts, Worrell, Hinge, Murray, Max.

 

[arrowman]

Winding it back to a 12 team ELITE national competition would increase the skill/entertainment level. So the opposite of adding team 15,16,17,18,19 has to decrease the skill/entertainment.

I can see both sides of this argument, including what Golumless said, above - that the quality of football on display depends as much on the quality of the coaching and player development, the game styles being adopted (or encouraged, by the rules) as anything else.

I have (sadly fading) memories of the SOO matches in the 80s and 90s, and some of those were just outstanding games of football, due to the concentration of quality players on the field. There's no doubt that when you assemble the best of the best, you're going to get quality football.

But how does that work out in the real world of a national competition, sponsorship, TV rights etc?

Just as a rough guess - suppose there are - on average - about 10 truly "A grade" players at each club (on average). That's 180 players, or enough for 10 teams, with injury cover required in addition to that, maybe that's the optimal number for concentration of talent. I don't think a 10-team (5 games per round) competition would be financially viable, nor would it allow for enough opportunity / development for new/young players.

So the real answer is more than 10 teams. Maybe add another 5 spots on each team, and maybe that brings it to 12-14 teams. Is that optimal? Possibly. Possibly you could argue that 14-16 is an acceptable number, but again with the question of revenue.

But I'm not convinced that the drop off in standard between 16 and 18-19-20 is sufficient for that to override other (admittedly mostly commercial) considerations. Like a lot of people, I get this gut feel that just adding more teams is going to dilute the standard; that at 18 we already have more per capita in our top-flight competition than any other country / competition e.g. the EPL or NFL.

But on the other hand, when people complain about the standard of the game, is it player talent that is first mentioned? Or is it umpiring / rules / coaching and game styles?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I’m assuming our club will draft Clark because he’s a Geelong boy but there’s also the possibility of Busslinger because Selwood has known the boy for half his life.

I would rather Busslinger because Ratugolea would be our only depth if Blicavs or De Koning went down.

My second preference would be trading our pick 7 to you guys but what gets it done?

Are you on the right board?

We don't have a pick in Busslinger range

 

[Sky]

Are you on the right board?

We don't have a pick in Busslinger range

A crows bloke quoted me on our board so i came here looking for him. Probs should’ve tagged WeedsMullet84

I want to sell our pick 7 for your F1. 10 wins at the very least next year for the Crows imo

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

A crows bloke quoted me on our board so i came here looking for him. Probs should’ve tagged WeedsMullet84

I want to sell our pick 7 for your F1. 10 wins at the very least next year for the Crows imo

How does that get you busslinger?

 

[Mutineer]

It doesn’t but what I want and what Geelong wants are usually two different things. If someone grabs Clark, then I think we may trade our pick 7 for something in next years draft.

Wells is a mad man and has failed with most of his top 20 picks the past decade. His picks in the 40s are normally top notch.

But yes if we take someone this year then I would rather Busslinger and back the culture in to keep him and maybe later pursue Clark and bring the boy home.

Doesn’t your team want Philippou? Trade with Geelong.

I don't know that the "team" has ever been set on getting Phillipou, if they were they wouldn't have pursued Rankine with such fervour.

I think you're confusing some members of this board wanting Phillipou at all costs and what list management and the recruiting team want.

 

[Sky]

I don't know that the "team" has ever been set on getting Phillipou, if they were they wouldn't have pursued Rankine with such fervour.

I think you're confusing some members of this board wanting Phillipou at all costs and what list management and the recruiting team want.

Must be the same with our board where 9/10 people think we must go with Clark because he’s from Geelong.

Both of our clubs would be better off pursuing someone entirely different because there’s every chance that both Philippou and Clark go somewhere they don’t want to go and request a trade later on.