List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[dude316]

Make him CEO for all I care if it will close the deal

You’ve got to be a bit more realistic than that. As far as I can see, we actually do have a vacant Assistant to the traveling secretary position.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Yep. It takes time.
I just looked at Oliver and Petracca and see their both in the mid 130 area. That's about 6 years at 22 games per year. They've been awesome for a while now but they've taken the same time as many elites take.
I can't remember exactly but I think even Abbett jnr playe 15-20 reserves games before becoming best 22.

Closer to home, I wonder how long it's taken for our own great players to hit "peak"? Did anyone reach their ceiling inside, say, 4 years?

Given COVID disruption and a poor injury record since arriving at the club, I'm happy to be VERY patient with Pedlar. And most of our kids too.

There will be a time when the genuine experts at the club will put a line through players who don't develop to the required level, but the timeline is likely to be much longer than we kneejerkers here on BF can cope with.

“Given COVID disruption and a poor injury record since arriving at the club, I'm happy to be VERY patient with Pedlar. And most of our kids too.”

Patient?

I’m not.. no more of this conservative “lets keep them in cotton wool” bullshit from this club please.

We are rebuilding for fuvks sake.. get these young lads in, play them in the spots they were drafted for, stop fuvking them around and lets see what they bring and let them learn from the experience.

Would rather we get flogged by 40+ whilst seeing what the youth can bring instead of getting flogged by 40+ seeing what guys like Laird and Keays can bring..

we already know what these “experienced” spuds provide.. 30+ mostly ineffectual touches week in week out.. we’ve all witnessed it for two friggin years now.

This useless fuvking club’s safety sally softly softly approach over the past few years with it youth and its “play at all costs regardless of form/skills/injury” attitude to its senior players is one of the reasons we are in the current predicament we find ourselves..

But… you watch us waste another 50 games on finding out that matt crouch is actually dogshit.. whilst a young player remains stuck in the sanfl.. after all, Matt had 35+ touches on the weekend against the bloods, mustve been great yeah?.. he’ll probably be straight back in this week.. The brand new mookay!.

Daily rant/

 

[Dudersaurus]

If you have a shot for everytime he says "really", you'd be dead by the 2 minute mark

If he had a paper cut every time he said really, he'd have bled to death by the 2-minute mark.

 

[1990crow]

First nations liason officer.

$250k a year.

Make it happen.

Get rid of Dan Jackson and put Fabian in. Get him playing seconds as well if needed. Plonk him at FF.

 

[Rags_118]

Yep. It takes time.
I just looked at Oliver and Petracca and see their both in the mid 130 area. That's about 6 years at 22 games per year. They've been awesome for a while now but they've taken the same time as many elites take.
I can't remember exactly but I think even Abbett jnr playe 15-20 reserves games before becoming best 22.

Closer to home, I wonder how long it's taken for our own great players to hit "peak"? Did anyone reach their ceiling inside, say, 4 years?

Given COVID disruption and a poor injury record since arriving at the club, I'm happy to be VERY patient with Pedlar. And most of our kids too.

There will be a time when the genuine experts at the club will put a line through players who don't develop to the required level, but the timeline is likely to be much longer than we kneejerkers here on BF can cope with.

Ben Hart was All-Australian in his first 2 AFL seasons (1992-93) as a 17-18yo! He played every game in his first season 2022.

And when at times he played on Tony Lockett as a 17yo, he stood a helluva closer to him as a defender than Frampton did to Curnow last week.

 

[Rags_118]

Get rid of Dan Jackson and put Fabian in. Get him playing seconds as well if needed. Plonk him at

First nations liason officer.

$250k a year.

Make it happen.

If you Google his criminal convictions, you’ll quickly realise why that will never happen.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Ben Hart was All-Australian in his first 2 AFL seasons (1992-93) as a 17-18yo! He played every game in his first season 2022.

And when at times he played on Tony Lockett as a 17yo, he stood a helluva closer to him as a defender than Frampton did to Curnow last week.

Ben Hart was indeed a gun defender. Rarely lost a one on one.
But did he ever play on Lockett? Maybe he did but I can't remember it. Odd match up for mine.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Ben Hart was indeed a gun defender. Rarely lost a one on one.
But did he ever play on Lockett? Maybe he did but I can't remember it. Odd match up for mine.

he sure did.. he showed his former school mates, many of whom I know well, the entire side of his torso a few days after the game.. it was all purple, black and blue from Lockett constantly laying punches into it behind play the whole game..

nice baptism of fire dished up by Tony for a skinny teen!…

 

[Grenville]

he sure did.. he showed his former school mates, many of whom I know well, the entire side of his torso a few days after the game.. it was all purple, black and blue from Lockett constantly laying punches into it behind play the whole game..

nice baptism of fire dished up by Tony for a skinny teen!…

When Moorabbin was an "AFL Venue". Plugger kicked 10 and we lost by about 10 goals.

 

[Sanders]

Ben Hart was All-Australian in his first 2 AFL seasons (1992-93) as a 17-18yo! He played every game in his first season 2022.

And when at times he played on Tony Lockett as a 17yo, he stood a helluva closer to him as a defender than Frampton did to Curnow last week.

That might’ve been because Doedee stood Curnow

 

[Rags_118]

Ben Hart was indeed a gun defender. Rarely lost a one on one.
But did he ever play on Lockett? Maybe he did but I can't remember it. Odd match up for mine.

Long time ago, but I think Hart spent some time on Lockett in a big loss at Moorabin. This suggests it was 1992: Hall of Fame Story where he talks about half way down the article

Some other players:

• Brodie Smith played 14 games in his first season (2011) before becoming a regular in his second season.
• Rory Sloane played one in his first (2009), 14 in his second, before becoming before becoming a regular in his third.
• Bernie Vince played 4 in his first (2008), 6 in his 2nd, before becoming before becoming a regular in his third.
• Graham Johncock played zero in his first season (2001), but every game in his 2nd.
• David Mackay played zero in his 1st season before becoming a regular in his 2nd.

I think you hope to see glimpses of real talent early on, and the player settling in after 2 preseasons and 10-20 games.

 

[StonesThrow]

That might’ve been because Doedee stood Curnow

Pretty sure Frampton was on him in the first half? Doedee seemed to be on him late.

That guy is good enough right now to beat most defenders. Seriously good player.

 

[Dudersaurus]

Pretty sure Frampton was on him in the first half? Doedee seemed to be on him late.

That guy is good enough right now to beat most defenders. Seriously good player.

I remember him being a Top 5 projection but a draft day slider after a DUI or something similar just before the draft. Too bad for Carlton that he's not a choirboy.

 

[Josh Jenkins #1Fan]

I remember him being a Top 5 projection but a draft day slider after a DUI or something similar just before the draft. Too bad for Carlton that he's not a choirboy.

He was also a massive flight risk at the time aswell if I remember right!

 

[Mutineer]

Danger in Texas Jeffcrowe

Big bodied inside mid Hugh Bond and athletic forward Aaron Cadman in the VC team to take on the Young Guns this weekend.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Danger in Texas Jeffcrowe

Big bodied inside mid Hugh Bond and athletic forward Aaron Cadman in the VC team to take on the Young Guns this weekend.

Stronger VC side than last week’s VM side, at least. No Szybkowski or George is unfortunate

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

When Moorabbin was an "AFL Venue". Plugger kicked 10 and we lost by about 10 goals.

From memory Lockett kicked 32 goals in his first three games against us

 

[Scorpus]

From memory Lockett kicked 32 goals in his first three games against us

His first game against us, kicked 12 goals, 3x as many goals as the entire Adelaide team (St Kilda won by 131 points)

 

[Crow till I die]

His first game against us, kicked 12 goals, 3x as many goals as the entire Adelaide team (St Kilda won by 131 points)

yeah - we had to play at some real hard places in those early years. Port never had to go to places like that- they don't know what it was like to have cold showers in the away rooms and supporters close enough to spit on the players coming in and out of the race.

I remember at Vic Park - another unfriendly place to have to play at, Hodges missed a sitter from around 30m out to effectively win us the game - he choked. I think the week before he kicked something like 15.1 against Sturt at Footy park in the SANFL and was kicking them from absolutely everywhere. His card was stamped in my eye from that day on!!

 

[Gtowncrow]

Pretty sure Frampton was on him in the first half? Doedee seemed to be on him late.

That guy is good enough right now to beat most defenders. Seriously good player.

It was down my end. Frampton in the first and third until Doedee took over.

It was good to see Dawson come over to encourage Billy when the floodgates were open. Billy looked like he knew how bad things were.

 

[latinoheat]

Hope we get a chance to draft Elijah Tsatas, sounds exactly like the player we need .

 

[Crow till I die]

Hope we get a chance to draft Elijah Tsatas, sounds exactly like the player we need .

You would think that both North and West Coast would be prioritizing their talls if the talent at the top of the order is similar between the talls and smalls, so if we end up bottom 4, we might be a chance

 

[Danger in Texas]

You would think that both North and West Coast would be prioritizing their talls if the talent at the top of the order is similar between the talls and smalls, so if we end up bottom 4, we might be a chance

WCE just need to prioritise talent, most of their best players are in the wrong age bracket

NM definitely need talls, though

 

[StonesThrow]

Elijah hewett sounds good as well. Hopefully get to see him play.

I know Ryan isn't the big body everyone craves, but he really knows how to play. Good decision maker, good skills and isn't a plodder.

 

[ams4crows]

Elijah hewett sounds good as well. Hopefully get to see him play.

I know Ryan isn't the big body everyone craves, but he really knows how to play. Good decision maker, good skills and isn't a plodder.

West Coast would be eyeing off Hewett you'd think