List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Tigerlaird]

Norwood were the first SA club in the AFL, they just rebadged the license

I agree dude, which is why Redlegs should remain in SANFL as they already have AFC.

 

[Tigerlaird]

Not a very compelling argument, but hey good luck, try get a few premierships in the SANFL then make a bid

Panther sixpeat is coming, buckle up.

 

[Sanders]

The draft, while important, is no longer shaping the destinies of teams, in terms of winning games and finals, in the way that it did, or as intended when it was introduced, alongside the salary cap, in 1986. It is important, but less influential than a decade ago.

“The draft is almost irrelevant to the top four or so clubs,” says Gold Coast chief executive and ex-Hawthorn and AFL football boss Mark Evans. He notes that the draft has been weakened, as an equalisation measure, “given the increase in player movement and players wanting to play at clubs in premiership contention”.

Senior club figures and list managers note that players these days are more willing to leave, as Horne-Francis and Henry did; that the best players pick the good teams higher on the ladder (see Tom Lynch and Jeremy Cameron), that they nearly always get their wish; and the club that loses the player usually cops whatever “collateral” is available.

Players have always largely been able to get to their preferred club. “But they’re doing it more and they’re doing it sooner,” says Wayne Campbell, the ex-Tiger great, current Suns and former GWS head of football.

This leads to another important shift that has undermined the draft’s mission of comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable: That the better teams can pay players less than the weaker ones.

Lynch and Cameron accepted pay cuts to cross from expansion teams to Richmond and Geelong. Lynch accepted $400,000 a season less at Richmond than he might have received at North. At expansion teams, first-round picks who’ve done squat are handed $400,000-plus in their third year.

Why the AFL draft isn’t working

The draft, while still important, is no longer shaping the destinies of teams the way it once did.

www.theage.com.au

This is for 2 reasons:

1. Money is too low. The difference in contracts isn’t enough to stay at a club out of contention

2. The wheel turns too slowly: clubs don’t have enough levers to pull to change their fortunes. Why should a player waste 1/2 his career at a club out of contention? It takes too long to change course

Players are simply following the basic incentives of the market as current constructed

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This is for 2 reasons:

1. Money is too low. The difference in contracts isn’t enough to stay at a club out of contention

2. The wheel turns too slowly: clubs don’t have enough levers to pull to change their fortunes. Why should a player waste 1/2 his career at a club out of contention? It takes too long to change course

Players are simply following the basic incentives of the market as current constructed

I'd argue, the Clubs have more than enough levers .....the perennial cellar dwellar clubs though, show an ineptitude for innovation in trading / drafting

Take NORTH ....they threw humongous contracts at every man and his dog ...with no apparent plan behind the choice in player ....and end up with Polec

Players are smart enough to recognise which bottom clubs are temporary visitors .....whilst other clubs just continue to make dumb decisions

 

[Sanders]

I'd argue, the Clubs have more than enough levers .....the perennial cellar dwellar clubs though, show an ineptitude for innovation in trading / drafting

Take NORTH ....they threw humongous contracts at every man and his dog ...with no apparent plan behind the choice in player ....and end up with Polec

Players are smart enough to recognise which bottom clubs are temporary visitors .....whilst other clubs just continue to make dumb decisions

You could argue they have enough levers, but I’d stick to more credible pursuits like the thesis of dry water

 

[jackster83]

This is for 2 reasons:

1. Money is too low. The difference in contracts isn’t enough to stay at a club out of contention

2. The wheel turns too slowly: clubs don’t have enough levers to pull to change their fortunes. Why should a player waste 1/2 his career at a club out of contention? It takes too long to change course

Players are simply following the basic incentives of the market as current constructed

I feel like the soft cap is a real issue in terms of clubs rebuilding. It's too hard for clubs to clean out their football departments.

It took us 2-3 years to rebuild ours after the payouts to the three stooges.

Clubs like GC and GWS seem to struggle to get people and always end up with what looks like a bunch of work experience kids.

 

[skittlebrew]

I'd argue, the Clubs have more than enough levers .....the perennial cellar dwellar clubs though, show an ineptitude for innovation in trading / drafting

Take NORTH ....they threw humongous contracts at every man and his dog ...with no apparent plan behind the choice in player ....and end up with Polec

Players are smart enough to recognise which bottom clubs are temporary visitors .....whilst other clubs just continue to make dumb decisions

No one wanted to go to North, the best they could get was Polec. They were cashed up to the **** they had to spend it on someone. It was him or nothing, nobody in the entire situation including Polec thought he was worth it.

 

[Thetrader15]

I'd argue, the Clubs have more than enough levers .....the perennial cellar dwellar clubs though, show an ineptitude for innovation in trading / drafting

Take NORTH ....they threw humongous contracts at every man and his dog ...with no apparent plan behind the choice in player ....and end up with Polec

Players are smart enough to recognise which bottom clubs are temporary visitors .....whilst other clubs just continue to make dumb decisions

I'd argue there are too many teams for an even comp.

Clubs know it's only every 18 years on average they can qin a flag.

If a club isn't pushing the top 8, it goes into full rebuild mode, throwing their experienced players out for younger ones (Mitchell, JOM, Gunston at Hawthorn this year).

It creates a big divide between top and bottom clubs, and we end up with clubs winning multiple flags over a decade (Geel, Rich), so the stars for other clubs goes from once in 18 years to once in 25 years.

That's a long time for fans to wait for a flag...trust me, I know.

It doesn't help when the worst ckubs don't have access to the best plyers in the draft either.
In the last 3 years, the best player in the draft has gone to top 8 teams.

 

[Tigerlaird]

I'd argue there are too many teams for an even comp.

Clubs know it's only every 18 years on average they can qin a flag.

If a club isn't pushing the top 8, it goes into full rebuild mode, throwing their experienced players out for younger ones (Mitchell, JOM, Gunston at Hawthorn this year).

It creates a big divide between top and bottom clubs, and we end up with clubs winning multiple flags over a decade (Geel, Rich), so the stars for other clubs goes from once in 18 years to once in 25 years.

That's a long time for fans to wait for a flag...trust me, I know.

It doesn't help when the worst ckubs don't have access to the best plyers in the draft either.
In the last 3 years, the best player in the draft has gone to top 8 teams.

The longer you wait for a flag, the better it is.

I've been waiting since before my Dad was born for a Panther flag. When we win the SANFL next year it'll be one of the greatest days of my life.

 

[rabidcrow]

Cause they were idiots

Or because they had a couple other pick ones, a pick 2 and Touk to play there in front of him


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[tinman]

The longer you wait for a flag, the better it is.

I've been waiting since before my Dad was born for a Panther flag. When we win the SANFL next year it'll be one of the greatest days of my life.

To be fair the wait before you, or your father were born probably wasn't too arduous

It's only the ones after you were born that you get to experience

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'd argue there are too many teams for an even comp.

Clubs know it's only every 18 years on average they can qin a flag.

If a club isn't pushing the top 8, it goes into full rebuild mode, throwing their experienced players out for younger ones (Mitchell, JOM, Gunston at Hawthorn this year).

It creates a big divide between top and bottom clubs, and we end up with clubs winning multiple flags over a decade (Geel, Rich), so the stars for other clubs goes from once in 18 years to once in 25 years.

That's a long time for fans to wait for a flag...trust me, I know.

It doesn't help when the worst ckubs don't have access to the best plyers in the draft either.
In the last 3 years, the best player in the draft has gone to top 8 teams.

Australia's population .......18 teams, nay, about to be 19 teams is too many

Is the AFL about making money to continuously get AFL Clubs out of debt .......the very reason it went VFL to AFL

OR ....is it ....no, should it be about running an elite Australian Football Competition

Answer ....just look at the f**k up the AFL made of the AFLW comp ......18 AFLW sides, give me a freakin break

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

To be fair the wait before you, or your father were born probably wasn't too arduous

It's only the ones after you were born that you get to experience

He’s Philip J Fry

 

[GROTTO]

The longer you wait for a flag, the better it is.

I've been waiting since before my Dad was born for a Panther flag. When we win the SANFL next year it'll be one of the greatest days of my life.

Not if your not alive to see it.

I dont see the Crows winning a flag till the late 2020s at the earliest. That will be like almost 30+ years since our 1997 flag.

 

[GROTTO]

Australia's population .......18 teams, nay, about to be 19 teams is too many

Is the AFL about making money to continuously get AFL Clubs out of debt .......the very reason it went VFL to AFL

OR ....is it ....no, should it be about running an elite Australian Football Competition

Answer ....just look at the f**k up the AFL made of the AFLW comp ......18 AFLW sides, give me a freakin break

My opinion on this is that the AFL know exactly what they are doing.

Its always been the VFL and they view clubs like GWS, Suns as basically feeder clubs for the VFL.

The glut of talent that have left these two teams would have won a flag.

 

[Big Dub]

Fox Sports calling Jakob Ryan as our target to trade back in to grab, but nothing on Barnett.

Barnett the greater need, but Ryan looks handy. We do have 3 draft spots . . .

 

[Mutineer]

Fox Sports calling Jakob Ryan as our target to trade back in to grab, but nothing on Barnett.

Barnett the greater need, but Ryan looks handy. We do have 3 draft spots . . .

Mainly because they think Barnett goes earlier

 

[DJ75]

No opinion on the clubs it was your reference to not doing himself any favours. It's pretty clear the Dons and Hawks haven't any problems with these so called "red flags" which have been a beat up all along.

I’m talking about our club. All the talk about Melbourne being the best place for footy and how he wants to play there at a big club, and be a one club player etc…
Not sure our list management will be thinking ‘there’s a kid we want to get back in a year or two’.
Funnily enough my wife pays no attention to draft stuff and she turned to me yesterday after watching the news and said “that Mattaes kid sounds like a dick”.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I’m talking about our club. All the talk about Melbourne being the best place for footy and how he wants to play there at a big club, and be a one club player etc…
Not sure our list management will be thinking ‘there’s a kid we want to get back in a year or two’.
Funnily enough my wife pays no attention to draft stuff and she turned to me yesterday after watching the news and said “that Mattaes kid sounds like a dick”.

You say these things, when you know you're about to be drafted to a VIC club

It's like job interviews .....you say what you think your future employer wants to hear

 

[Big Dub]

You say these things, when you know you're about to be drafted to a VIC club

It's like job interviews .....you say what you think your future employer wants to hear

You say these things when you know you are going to be drafted to a vic club or gold coast.

 

[Thetrader15]

You say these things when you know you are going to be drafted to a vic club or gold coast.

Correct. My guess is if we had pick 5, there might have been some more spoken about his family.

 

[craig crowing]

This is for 2 reasons:

1. Money is too low. The difference in contracts isn’t enough to stay at a club out of contention

2. The wheel turns too slowly: clubs don’t have enough levers to pull to change their fortunes. Why should a player waste 1/2 his career at a club out of contention? It takes too long to change course

Players are simply following the basic incentives of the market as current constructed

Well well Sanders nice to see using your interlect to provide input rather than assault on other posters.
The unfortunate part of the issue it is just gaining momentum with players returning home to Melbourne which of course home is not Melbourne but the stronger Melbourne clubs.
On a different scale is having rules that doesn't stop players like Horne Francis being able to leave their drafted club after 1 year .
Again posing question if Port was in bottom 4 and North were not so bad would he be so keen to return HOME.

 

[WeeBlake]

This is for 2 reasons:

1. Money is too low. The difference in contracts isn’t enough to stay at a club out of contention

2. The wheel turns too slowly: clubs don’t have enough levers to pull to change their fortunes. Why should a player waste 1/2 his career at a club out of contention? It takes too long to change course

Players are simply following the basic incentives of the market as current constructed

Agree. The market is delivering better players to better clubs, which is the opposite of the stated goal. The best intervention is to somehow make good clubs getting good players pay more for them (in dollars and/or draft capital). Boosting poorer clubs hasn’t worked. Need to hobble the better clubs.

 

[Mostyn]

There were 800,000 reasons for that...

Except it's $400,000 a year for four years, now it's been smoothed.

Every club in the league would have accepted that gladly for a LOT less than pick 7. Bowes even said he'd have smoothed for GCS if they'd kept him there. He wanted to stay.

 

[Mostyn]

They already have plenty of 2023 points...just like their head recruiter said in his interview with Twomey and Beveridge yesterday...

WA gun on Gold Coast's radar as Suns seek midfield boost

Gold Coast officials met with Reuben Ginbey and his family in WA this week ahead of next week's NAB AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

Except it's probably going to be a top 3 bid, so there's certainly going to be some point stress

And if not? Then they've got a first round pick in a better draft. Never a bad thing.

I think the fact that we were openly saying that we were offering pick 5 from day one and never suggested that we would put F1 on the table says something.