List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Mutineer]

"Looking pretty Decent" - how much quality senior game time have those shown? It's a big jump from SANFL to AFL to AFL finals standard.

Cook has already played AFL, Taylor has to be on the cusp of selection and should get a game hopefully by season's end.
Nankervis is tracking really well considering he'd only played a handful of NAB League games in the 2 years prior to being drafted.

Maybe watch some SANFL and see for yourself. Taylor bar for the hand injury that saw him miss a fair chunk of games would likely have debuted by now but for that.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Cook has already played AFL, Taylor has to be on the cusp of selection and should get a game hopefully by season's end.
Nankervis is tracking really well considering he'd only played a handful of NAB League games in the 2 years prior to being drafted.

Maybe watch some SANFL and see for yourself. Taylor bar for the hand injury that saw him miss a fair chunk of games would likely have debuted by now but for that.

taylor was in everything in the sanfl game on the weekend.. one of our best on ground.

Nank was pretty good too apart from one or two bad clangers… but he made up for that with an incredible screamer on North’s goal line to save a goal.

sholl was among our best too..

Frampton once again a absolute general in defense.

Worrell was brilliant.

all five deserve a run in the AFL before years end but if sholl is already “bags packed” and halfway to Carlton with the clubs blessing I‘d say they just leave him in the sanfl.

 

[croweater 41]

Nope Elly is a Ballarat girl

Brittany is an Adelaide girl (Brad)

Crouch's parents live in Alfredton in downtown Ballarat.

That’s nearly Central Ballarat now with the expansion going on out that way.

 

[Redline]

Sloane, if fully fit needs to find a new position.
Forward pocket for mine. Keays in the other.
(2023 prediction )
I reckon these two could apply enough pressure and would definitely keep the scoreboard ticking over.

I can't see any positives in having Sloane at our CB's.

I think both are midfielders and that's it. Neither have skills good enough to play up forward and Sloane is to slow. I'd prefer to have both out of the side if they can't make the midfield.

 

[Gtowncrow]

I think both are midfielders and that's it. Neither have skills good enough to play up forward and Sloane is to slow. I'd prefer to have both out of the side if they can't make the midfield.

There's a long history of mids finishing their careers forward once they've lost the pace needed for midfield. Some have had quite good post midfield careers. Roo is a good example of this.
Rory might be too old too slow for the midfield again but he's a player of excellent skill and determination. Not a bad set shot either. So much depends on his new knee however.
Keays playing the McHenry/Murphy role would be a terrific upgrade. Tough as and wins his own ball.

We have bigger problems before focussing on these two. As midfielders though, I think we've progressed past them.

 

[Bearded Clam]

There's a long history of mids finishing their careers forward once they've lost the pace needed for midfield. Some have had quite good post midfield careers. Roo is a good example of this.
Rory might be too old too slow for the midfield again but he's a player of excellent skill and determination. Not a bad set shot either. So much depends on his new knee however.
Keays playing the McHenry/Murphy role would be a terrific upgrade. Tough as and wins his own ball.

We have bigger problems before focussing on these two. As midfielders though, I think we've progressed past them.

Sloane was cooked before his knee.. imagine how slow he’s gonna be when/if he returns.

Most players when they do a knee take a year to recover and then another year to get back to somewhere close to where they were prior to their knee.. now given sloane was cooked before his knee and he’s already close to retiring anyway.. im not sure why a team that is in a rebuild should be prioritising his return.. they should really be paying him out and saying “see ya mate, thanks for your service”.

As for Keays.. he’s flipping garbage.. why move the trash around to keep it like some sort of crazy hoarder that cant let go?.. all you end up with is this..

 

[LeftyLuke]

I think we got the Thilthorpe, Berry, Rachele and Soligo picks right. Four long term players with some potential AAs in there.

We need a tall big bodied mid with skills, and more on the outside too.

We've got players on the outside. It's just that Nick's won't play them in the right position on the wing. Dawson and Hinge will provide the outside run we are lacking. Frampton/Worrell to replace the intercepting role down back that Dawson is playing. We are lacking another quality KPD and would be stuffed if Butts or Murray went down. We also lack a quality ruck and decent small forward. Rankine up forward would help for the small forward role. To get him we would have to trade someone out of value to pay for him. We will hopefully pick up the tall mid with pick 3-4 this year.

 

[GROTTO]

Apparently the Pies would be open to a trade for Grundy if the right offer presented itself.

Grundy would allow us to clean out a few deadwood at our Club and provide for us that "extra mid" in the way he plays at ruck as well. He is well done on his numbers and formline in 2022, but we would be a significant improvement on anything we have now or in the future. Playing TT and Grundy in the same team is very doable given how mobile they both are and would allow us to stretch teams in attack, with Tex and Fog right up there as well.

If the Pies were to pay some of his salary, it is worthy of consideration as it wouldnt impact on our salary cap as well. In terms of trade, I think the Pies would be happy to get him off their books given the talent on their list and the price wouldnt be as high as what it may have been a few years back.

 

[Bazz_27]

Apparently the Pies would be open to a trade for Grundy if the right offer presented itself.

Grundy would allow us to clean out a few deadwood at our Club and provide for us that "extra mid" in the way he plays at ruck as well. He is well done on his numbers and formline in 2022, but we would be a significant improvement on anything we have now or in the future. Playing TT and Grundy in the same team is very doable given how mobile they both are and would allow us to stretch teams in attack, with Tex and Fog right up there as well.

If the Pies were to pay some of his salary, it is worthy of consideration as it wouldnt impact on our salary cap as well. In terms of trade, I think the Pies would be happy to get him off their books given the talent on their list and the price wouldnt be as high as what it may have been a few years back.

He is 28 though and contacted until he is 33. That is the issue for me, not many rucks are afl quality still at 33

 

[LeftyLuke]

Apparently the Pies would be open to a trade for Grundy if the right offer presented itself.

Grundy would allow us to clean out a few deadwood at our Club and provide for us that "extra mid" in the way he plays at ruck as well. He is well done on his numbers and formline in 2022, but we would be a significant improvement on anything we have now or in the future. Playing TT and Grundy in the same team is very doable given how mobile they both are and would allow us to stretch teams in attack, with Tex and Fog right up there as well.

If the Pies were to pay some of his salary, it is worthy of consideration as it wouldnt impact on our salary cap as well. In terms of trade, I think the Pies would be happy to get him off their books given the talent on their list and the price wouldnt be as high as what it may have been a few years back.

I don't think we should go there. His wage is too high and Collingwood would only pay 300k of his 1m wage. We would be better picking up a young mobile ruck through the draft or trade a player looking for more opportunity. I think a KPD is a bigger priority or an experienced mid. DeGoey is on the trade table but I can't see the crows going there. I would be targetting Hopper or Rankine or an experienced key back. Griffin Logue I believe isn't contracted yet at Freo.

 

[GROTTO]

He is 28 though and contacted until he is 33. That is the issue for me, not many rucks are afl quality still at 33

Its a very tricky situation, for me we have plenty of space today in our salary cap and we could actually pay it fully for the Pies for the first two to three years and then after that they contribute say $300k, that way it protects us to allow us to bring in players.

It would be attractive to them and open a lot of doors for the Pies in the short term for their salary cap and provide us with some quality in this area. This alone could see him come cheaply to us.

Ruckman is more of an exception in regards to age, plenty of decent ruckman that are older, look at Goldy at 34. Mummy was still decent at 33 years old as well.

In any case the point is complete moot, if we are into JHF and/or Rankine. Probably be cheaper then to get one through the draft, be it mid year or national or rookie.

 

[GROTTO]

I don't think we should go there. His wage is too high and Collingwood would only pay 300k of his 1m wage. We would be better picking up a young mobile ruck through the draft or trade a player looking for more opportunity. I think a KPD is a bigger priority or an experienced mid. DeGoey is on the trade table but I can't see the crows going there. I would be targetting Hopper or Rankine or an experienced key back. Griffin Logue I believe isn't contracted yet at Freo.

Isnt Max M , the father son we aim to get a KPD?

 

[LeftyLuke]

Its a very tricky situation, for me we have plenty of space today in our salary cap and we could actually pay it fully for the Pies for the first two to three years and then after that they contribute say $300k, that way it protects us to allow us to bring in players.

It would be attractive to them and open a lot of doors for the Pies in the short term for their salary cap and provide us with some quality in this area. This alone could see him come cheaply to us.

Ruckman is more of an exception in regards to age, plenty of decent ruckman that are older, look at Goldy at 34. Mummy was still decent at 33 years old as well.

In any case the point is complete moot, if we are into JHF and/or Rankine. Probably be cheaper then to get one through the draft, be it mid year or national or rookie.

I would go after De Gory as he would be good for our young midfield and can kick goals but I know the club is as conservative as they come.

 

[GROTTO]

I would go after De Gory as well as he would be good for our young midfield and can kick goals but I know the club is as conservative as they come.

De Goey the player there is no issues, its De Goey the player off field which is.

The problem with him off field is that he does multiple different stupid thing and incidents. He would be a ticking time bomb.

If it was Brouch or Stengle I would say yes to, its one thing they do wrong, ie recreational drugs.

When you have a diverse portfolio of f**king up, it makes you less attractive to Clubs, especially with a young team as well.

A No for me.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Isnt Max M , the father son we aim to get a KPD?

Apparently. I know nothing about him but does he need a lot of development or is he ready to go? The good thing about Logue is that he can play round 1.

 

[GROTTO]

I don't think we should go there. His wage is too high and Collingwood would only pay 300k of his 1m wage. We would be better picking up a young mobile ruck through the draft or trade a player looking for more opportunity. I think a KPD is a bigger priority or an experienced mid. DeGoey is on the trade table but I can't see the crows going there. I would be targetting Hopper or Rankine or an experienced key back. Griffin Logue I believe isn't contracted yet at Freo.

Its early in the morning for me so I might not be thinking clearly, but generally speaking we have no chance of getting these players.

Crows tend to get players that have a SA connection. So Rankine, JHF yes.

 

[Dangerousfield]

DeGoey is too much trouble off field, why bring him in? If we were prepared for off field problems we could have kept Stengle

Grundy is so enticing but I reckon too risky. Let Pies stew in their own salary cap problems.

Do something creative to get more picks this year.

 

[LeftyLuke]

De Goey the player there is no issues, its De Goey the player off field which is.

The problem with him off field is that he does multiple different stupid thing and incidents. He would be a ticking time bomb.

If it was Brouch or Stengle I would say yes to, its one thing they do wrong, ie recreational drugs.

When you have a diverse portfolio of f**king up, it makes you less attractive to Clubs, especially with a young team as well.

A No for me.

I reckon with DeGoey he knows that if he stuffs up again his contract will be torn up. I think wherever he goes he will pull his head in and have something to prove. In saying that I would rather Hopper or Rankine.

 

[GROTTO]

Apparently. I know nothing about him but does he need a lot of development or is he ready to go? The good thing about Logue is that he can play round 1.

Neither do I.

Dont worry most dont know much about him at all. Its all guesswork and intuition.

I have seen posters over the years cream themselves over players in the draft and the same players end up being potatoes down the track. Look how many posters adored and loved Luko.

You dont need to look any further than Chayce Jones.

 

[GROTTO]

I reckon with DeGoey he knows that if he stuffs up again his contract will be torn up. I think wherever he goes he will pull his head in and have something to prove. In saying that I would rather Hopper or Rankine.

Doesnt matter, he still put himself in the crosshairs even with a millon dollar contract from the Pies on the table . He will be a target of many people off the field.

For the record, I didnt think he did anything wrong, but the media executed him in Bali recently.

 

[pjcrows]

When considering Grundy, remember we've also got O'Brien until 2025.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Its early in the morning for me so I might not be thinking clearly, but generally speaking we have no chance of getting these players.

Crows tend to get players that have a SA connection. So Rankine, JHF yes.

I don't think north will trade Horne until he's ooc next year. They would be dumb to trade him this year as I think he's a chance to stay if he likes the coach. Even if he's out when ooc it makes them look weak if they allow him to break a 2yr rookie contract early.

 

[70lethal]

Apparently the Pies would be open to a trade for Grundy if the right offer presented itself.

Grundy would allow us to clean out a few deadwood at our Club and provide for us that "extra mid" in the way he plays at ruck as well. He is well done on his numbers and formline in 2022, but we would be a significant improvement on anything we have now or in the future. Playing TT and Grundy in the same team is very doable given how mobile they both are and would allow us to stretch teams in attack,his with Tex and Fog right up there as well.

If the Pies were to pay some of his salary, it is worthy of consideration as it wouldnt impact on our salary cap as well. In terms of trade, I think the Pies would be happy to get him off their books given the talent on their list and the price wouldnt be as high as what it may have been a few years back.

If he's fit and at his best his wage shouldn't be an issue for where our list is at.
Trade ROB, Crouch and that gets us close. Sloane off the books the following year.

I would want a deal like the Brodie that gave us a high draft pick for the salary dump.

We could have got him for free as a free agent but Collingwood got sucked in.
We missed out on potentially his best 2 years so if they wanted to unload him I'm looking for their 1st pick to get someone like Keeler.
May chuck a future 2nd back depending if I'm getting the 2019-2020 Grundy or 2021-2022 version.

I wouldn't take Grundy even if Collingwood paid $300k of his salary unless it help us get a KPP in this draft.

 

[70lethal]

I don't think north will trade Horne until he's ooc next year. They would be dumb to trade him this year as I think he's a good chance to stay if he likes the coach.

I don't think he leaves.
It's not a good look for him.
He's better off sucking it up having a huge year and seeing out his contract and would then get huge offers

 

[Mutineer]

Isnt Max M , the father son we aim to get a KPD?

191cm and lightly built currently, unless he has a significant growth spurt he'd want to be a very special talent to handle the modern day taller KPF's. At this time he's more suited to the 3rd tall intercepting defender role.