List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Danger in Texas]

Issac Cumming from GWS should be our next Dawson like Target, in fact he can play the defence gig that we're forcing Dawson to do so we can move him further up the ground.

Redman from the Bombers as a FA next year, too

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

why the * would Hopper want to come to us?..

but geez..

mcrouch out… laird to half back.. and ben keays shot out of a cannon thats pointed toward Siberia, never to be seen again..

and Hopper, dunkley and JHF in…

if only dreams came true..

Why would we go for Dunkley if we’re getting Hopper?

Would there be a way to get Hopper without giving up our first in both years?

Wait 12 months and he’s free

 

[Mego Red]

Vader - to get this back on track, should we do a recap of available spots on our senior and rookie list (cat A and B)?

Folks that might retire and get traded can discussed on top of that,but it would be good to know where we're currently at.

 

[Vader]

Vader - to get this back on track, should we do a recap of available spots on our senior and rookie list (cat A and B)?

Folks that might retire and get traded can discussed on top of that,but it would be good to know where we're currently at.

Go for it. I'm currently on holiday, accessing BF using my phone. It's a pain in the back side for typing long posts, so I will happily let someone else do the honours this time around.

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[Mego Red]

Well, we have 37 on our list, plus five Cat A rookies and 2 Cat B.

The rest I might do Monday ...

 

[Vader]

Well, we have 37 on our list, plus five Cat A rookies and 2 Cat B.

The rest I might do Monday ...

Don't forget that we are likely to regain 2x senior list positions if (as promised) the AFL returns lists back to their pre-COVID sizes.

... Assuming that the AFL keeps its promise.

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[Vader]

I would also expect that the club will take the Gibbs/Shaw route, with rewards to Seedsman's likely retirement.

I think they will probably delist him, redraft him in the RD, before placing him on the inactive list. They could then fill the vacancy created via the PSSP or MSD.

This is what we've done previously with Gibbs, who was replaced by Murray.

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[latinoheat]

I’d look at paying out seed And Sloane and trading out McHenry to bring in some experience ala a hodge

Out: McHenry (Richmond)
In: Shane Edwards

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Shane Edwards

Age

36

Ht

182cm

Wt

78kg

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M/F

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17.2

4star

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8.1

3star

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9.1

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2.6

3star

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2.9

4star

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3.0

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

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9.8

5star

M

0.6

1star

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3.0

4star

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4.2

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8.6

3star

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5.2

2star

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3.4

3star

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3.4

4star

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1.2

3star

(1 year playing 1 year coaching contract ).

 

[George Kramer]

I’d look at paying out seed And Sloane and trading out McHenry to bring in some experience ala a hodge

Out: McHenry (Richmond)
In: Shane Edwards (1 year playing 1 year coaching contract ).

They are not paying out Sloane and then bringing in someone with experience, they’d just keep Sloane

 

[Mego Red]

I’d look at paying out seed And Sloane and trading out McHenry to bring in some experience ala a hodge

Out: McHenry (Richmond)
In: Shane Edwards

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Shane Edwards

Age

36

Ht

182cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.6

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.2

3star

(1 year playing 1 year coaching contract ).

Edwards would be a free agent signing, and is cooked.

No point selling McHenry now as he has zero value

 

[Mego Red]

I would also expect that the club will take the Gibbs/Shaw route, with rewards to Seedsman's likely retirement.

I think they will probably delist him, redraft him in the RD, before placing him on the inactive list. They could then fill the vacancy created via the PSSP or MSD.

This is what we've done previously with Gibbs, who was replaced by Murray.

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Interesting point.

I'm not sure what the advantages are, compared to just retirement?

Shaw was because of health coverage and treatment - I wonder why we didn't just retire and pay out Gibbs?

 

[Bob Neil]

The Suns have got Budarick and Weller - both small to midsized running defenders - out with ACLs for the bulk of next year. I wonder if we could sell them on the idea of Brodie Smith

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Brodie Smith

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32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

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19.5

5star

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12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

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6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

on a two year deal as the perfect replacement whilst they look to come into their window? For their second rounder I'd do that deal.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting point.

I'm not sure what the advantages are, compared to just retirement?

Shaw was because of health coverage and treatment - I wonder why we didn't just retire and pay out Gibbs?

Salary cap - spreading into another year.

 

[Gtowncrow]

They are not paying out Sloane and then bringing in someone with experience, they’d just keep Sloane

Sloane, if fully fit needs to find a new position.
Forward pocket for mine. Keays in the other.
(2023 prediction )
I reckon these two could apply enough pressure and would definitely keep the scoreboard ticking over.

I can't see any positives in having Sloane at our CB's.

 

[croweater 41]

I’d look at paying out seed And Sloane and trading out McHenry to bring in some experience ala a hodge

Out: McHenry (Richmond)
In: Shane Edwards (1 year playing 1 year coaching contract ).

Edwards is Richmond’s Sloane. If you have a read of their board they all love him for everything he has put into the club but it’s time for him to step aside. Most of Tigers supporters would be happy to see him in a sub vest week to week rather than playing a full game.

So it would just be more beneficial to keep Sloane and use him in that role as someone who has the respect of the players rather than bringing in an outsider to do the same thing.

At the minute there isn’t really a Hodge type of player that you would actively go target for mine. I think we are a year or two away from that point of the rebuild anyway. Games into Soligo, Rach, TT and co next year then look at someone for the two years after to get the hard nose winning attitude not just winning but arrogantly winning. And at the minute I have no idea who that player is from any team.

 

[Mutineer]

What don't the play station kids on here understand? Contracted players have to be agreeable to be traded and I highly doubt a player like Smith or Laird for instance would want to shift unless it was for significantly more money at this stage of their careers.

 

[whattagun07]

I don't mind the idea of bringing in an experienced player, from a successful club, to bring a fresh perspective, and leadership, even if it is at the expense of Seed or Sloane. Edwards is not the answer though.

It'd probably need to be someone a couple of years younger than him - more like 30-32. Edwards is 34 in October, and definitely cooked.

I can't name a player off the top of my head, but will do a bit of a scan and see who I can see. (Maybe Mitch Duncan? - probably the best I can find, but even then i'm not convinced).

Even though he's older, Pendlebury would be a better option in terms of fit than Edwards. More vocal / onfield Leadership, premiership player, trains like a machine, good character, and could fit in on half back and play a role. Definitely coaching material also. Obviously he's not coming though.

 

[70lethal]

What don't the play station kids on here understand? Contracted players have to be agreeable to be traded and I highly doubt a player like Smith or Laird for instance would want to shift unless it was for significantly more money at this stage of their careers.

A chance to win a flag would be the most logical reason so very limited trade opportunity and we dont have anyone thats going to make a difference to a top 4 side in that older age bracket.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Sloane, if fully fit needs to find a new position.
Forward pocket for mine. Keays in the other.
(2023 prediction )
I reckon these two could apply enough pressure and would definitely keep the scoreboard ticking over.

I can't see any positives in having Sloane at our CB's.

I can't find any positives finding a spot for Sloane in his final year keeping a younger better player out of the team. I know his goal is to get in the team and try and get another contract but Walker performs. That's the key difference. I think his final year will go the way of Scott Thompson of a couple of games to see he's not up to it and the rest of the year in the sanfl.

 

[MRB37]

The Suns have got Budarick and Weller - both small to midsized running defenders - out with ACLs for the bulk of next year. I wonder if we could sell them on the idea of Brodie Smith on a two year deal as the perfect replacement whilst they look to come into their window? For their second rounder I'd do that deal.

Next you just have to sell Brodie Smith on the move.

 

[Vader]

Interesting point.

I'm not sure what the advantages are, compared to just retirement?

Shaw was because of health coverage and treatment - I wonder why we didn't just retire and pay out Gibbs?

Salary cap

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[LeftyLuke]

A chance to win a flag would be the most logical reason so very limited trade opportunity and we dont have anyone thats going to make a difference to a top 4 side in that older age bracket.

Laird would be a very good player in a decent team. You could play him mid or back. Not many players can do that. The bloke still has 4 good years left and is very durable. Plenty of players get moved on contract. The Hawks and powaa have a knack of getting them out. Collingwood as well. Do you think Treloar wanted to leave? I can guarantee you he didn't and they told him they weren't going to play him and he wasn't wanted. Clubs get there way if they want a contracted player gone. Wingard was exactly the same. The problem is the mediocre AFC doesn't like upsetting the apricot brigade. We should be looking at potential suitors for Laird, Brown, Milera, ROB, Smith, MCrouch, Sloane, Himmelberg, Murphy, Sholl, McHenry. The club needs to realise that our list is not good at all and they need to be bold to quickly climb up the ladder.

 

[Thetrader15]

I don't mind the idea of bringing in an experienced player, from a successful club, to bring a fresh perspective, and leadership, even if it is at the expense of Seed or Sloane. Edwards is not the answer though.

It'd probably need to be someone a couple of years younger than him - more like 30-32. Edwards is 34 in October, and definitely cooked.

I can't name a player off the top of my head, but will do a bit of a scan and see who I can see. (Maybe Mitch Duncan? - probably the best I can find, but even then i'm not convinced).

Even though he's older, Pendlebury would be a better option in terms of fit than Edwards. More vocal / onfield Leadership, premiership player, trains like a machine, good character, and could fit in on half back and play a role. Definitely coaching material also. Obviously he's not coming though.

Travis Boak would be a very good option too, but that's not happening either.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Travis Boak would be a very good option too, but that's not happening either.

He said successful club

 

[Bob Neil]

What don't the play station kids on here understand? Contracted players have to be agreeable to be traded and I highly doubt a player like Smith or Laird for instance would want to shift unless it was for significantly more money at this stage of their careers.

I think everyone understands that contracted players need to agree; but we also understand that their preferences can and do change dramatically as and when circumstances change. If we told Smith that he has fallen down our pecking order and is no longer best 22 and he can face that for the next 1-2 years or alternatively he can go to a rising contender at somewhere like the Suns then I think at the very least he would entertain that conversation with or without a pay rise sweetener.