List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Sanders]

You always want to buy the worst house on the best street because of the untapped potential. Rankine has a very high ceiling as a player but is yet to show it on anything like a consistent basis. The glimpses are what tease and what coach would not want a crack trying to get the best out of such a talent. Thats why the numbers to try and tempt him will be high as teams will want him

So what are you then going to pay him if he comes good?

 

[Sanders]

Alright, let's start posting some stupid s**t ...

Trade pick 4 and 2022 2nd for pick 8 and Rankine
Trade pick 8, Doedee and 22 for Jason Horne-Francis
Crouch (traded to Essendon for pick 41)
Frampton (traded to Collingwood for pick 47)
Brown (traded to Melbourne with future 3rd for 35)
McAsey (traded to Western Bulldogs with 47 for 29)
Seedsman (retired)

Pick 29, 35 and 41.

Davis (delisted)

I don't like the lack of picks in a shallow draft, but it lines up like this ...

B: Worrell - Butts - Parnell
HB: Smith - Murray - Dawson

C: Cook - JHF - Soligo
R: O’Brien - Laird - Berry

HF: Rachele - Walker - Keays
F: Rankine - Thilthorpe - Fogarty

Int: Jones - Milera - McAdam - McHenry

The others:
Pedlar
Hamill
Schoenberg
Hinge
Z Taylor
Gollant

Depth:
McPherson
Himmelberg
Murphy
Hately
Sloane
Nankervis
Newchurch
Strachan
Turner
Borlase
Sholl
Rowe

I’d be looking to trade 22 for Rankine straight up. Pick swaps can adjust a little as required

Pick 4, Doedee & Future 2nd for JHF. Add in McAsey if they need more sprinkles on the sundae
That’s a strong hand, particularly as it looks like Worrell can play that intercept role.

None of the other players interest me, the chips fall where they may on them.

 

[Sanders]

Exactly the coaches have seen what he's capable of on the track hence the extension, just needs to get continuity and he'll be away.

That’s not why he got the extension. He got extended because he’s another first round pick, who hasn’t come on, and hasn’t done anything to be given up on so soon

That’s all there is to it. The other stuff might also be true, but it’s not part of our decision making thought process

 

[Sanders]

I'd argue this ....the last 6-8 weeks Rankine has been "hot" .....getting runs through the midfield, and up there with Touk Touk, as GC's most dangerous player .....so much so, he was hard tagged last week

He hasn’t gotten a touch in the last couple of weeks

When did you become more random than a magic 8 ball?

 

[Crow till I die]

So what are you then going to pay him if he comes good?

I would be offering him say 5 or 6 years at $700k if i am going all in to get him now. That puts off worrying about things for years to come

 

[1990crow]

I’d be looking to trade 22 for Rankine straight up. Pick swaps can adjust a little as required

Pick 4, Doedee & Future 2nd for JHF. Add in McAsey if they need more sprinkles on the sundae
That’s a strong hand, particularly as it looks like Worrell can play that intercept role.

None of the other players interest me, the chips fall where they may on them.

I'd almost be willing to do this:

2023 first, Doedee and Pick 22 to North for JHF and Pick 37
Pick 4 for Rankine and Pick 8

Use Pick 8 on Phillipou / Keeler

 

[Soggy2112]

What keays showed last night imo almost should shut the door on sloane as i have thought of him as finishing his career as a forward but keays can do what sloane can do there but works even harder and can nullify a player at the same time. Sloane is also done as a mid so where elso could you reasonably play him

Keays at half forward makes a lot of sense. Can have high possession numbers and impact the game as a high half forward. Im sure people will point out that his three goals were Joe the Goose’s but he has the potential to create those opportunities consistently with his running power and work rate. Also has the ability to shut down a dangerous half back if need be. One would hope Sloane is open to finishing his career in the SANFL if that’s what needs to happen.

 

[Crow till I die]

Keays at half forward makes a lot of sense. Can have high possession numbers and impact the game as a high half forward. Im sure people will point out that his three goals were Joe the Goose’s but he has the potential to create those opportunities consistently with his running power and work rate. Also has the ability to shut down a dangerous half back if need be. One would hope Sloane is open to finishing his career in the SANFL if that’s what needs to happen.

Its a shame we cant delist murphy now and trade mchenry as then sloane gets to elongate his career as he is better than either player as he CAN hit the scoreboard

 

[Gtowncrow]

For anyone who hasn't listened to the Rory Sloane

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Rory Sloane

Age

34

Ht

183cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

11.9

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.7

5star

D

15.3

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

8.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.3

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

22.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

13.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

Q&A about a week ago, you should do it. It's on the club website.

He's not planning retirement at all. Or the SANFL. He's planning to be 100 percent in round 1 and is looking forward to playing forward, midfield and wing next year AND "a couple more years after that hopefully".
Furthermore, on the experience topic, he said that if he and Seed were playing this year, we wouldn't have lost as many games this year. I also detected a flawed and biased outlook when he was asked which ex-crow he would bring back to the club if he could. He chose his mate Danger!
Entitlement? Senior players clique? Very bad answer as Danger is as cooked as any of the Geelong veterans.

The segment is only 15 minutes long and left me feeling that we have a potential problem brewing. His attitude was alarmingly contradictory to the vast majority of us in here.

I'm open minded about whether he captain's or plays next year. I'm worried though he appeared so deluded to his importance to us going forward.

Listen and make your own mind up.
It's worth its own thread actually.

 

[jackster83]

For anyone who hasn't listened to the Rory Sloane Q&A about a week ago, you should do it. It's on the club website.

He's not planning retirement at all. Or the SANFL. He's planning to be 100 percent in round 1 and is looking forward to playing forward, midfield and wing next year AND "a couple more years after that hopefully".
Furthermore, on the experience topic, he said that if he and Seed were playing this year, we wouldn't have lost as many games this year. I also detected a flawed and biased outlook when he was asked which ex-crow he would bring back to the club if he could. He chose his mate Danger!
Entitlement? Senior players clique? Very bad answer as Danger is as cooked as any of the Geelong veterans.

The segment is only 15 minutes long and left me feeling that we have a potential problem brewing. His attitude was alarmingly contradictory to the vast majority of us in here.

I'm open minded about whether he captain's or plays next year. I'm worried though he appeared so deluded to his importance to us going forward.

Listen and make your own mind up.
It's worth its own thread actually.

Yeah, I can see it getting pretty messy, especially as Nicks will be under pressure from R1 next year.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Yeah, I can see it getting pretty messy, especially as Nicks will be under pressure from R1 next year.

I listened and was shocked with what I heard. If Rory has a mentor at the club, it's time for a chat imo.

 

[GreyCrow]

I mentioned before when you have a major injury you must have a goal - so Rory stating all these things is part of it

Its a self belief mechanism to make the rehab days go by

Which is why I suggest he will retire by round 7

Whether he hands over - or the captaincy is taken off of him will strengthen this

I wont accept any bets - its just a feeling

 

[George Kramer]

I mentioned before when you have a major injury you must have a goal - so Rory stating all these things is part of it

Its a self belief mechanism to make the rehab days go by

Which is why I suggest he will retire by round 7

Whether he hands over - or the captaincy is taken off of him will strengthen this

I wont accept any bets - its just a feeling

That screws up a list spot though

 

[GreyCrow]

That screws up a list spot though

Thats on the club though

Its like a politician quitting Parliament after heading to the backbench

 

[George Kramer]

Thats on the club though

Its like a politician quitting Parliament after heading to the backbench

I agree it’s on the club.

But not with your analogy, they just have a bi-election, we can’t replace him unless he’s injured.

 

[ABAB]

For anyone who hasn't listened to the Rory Sloane Q&A about a week ago, you should do it. It's on the club website.

He's not planning retirement at all. Or the SANFL. He's planning to be 100 percent in round 1 and is looking forward to playing forward, midfield and wing next year AND "a couple more years after that hopefully".
Furthermore, on the experience topic, he said that if he and Seed were playing this year, we wouldn't have lost as many games this year. I also detected a flawed and biased outlook when he was asked which ex-crow he would bring back to the club if he could. He chose his mate Danger!
Entitlement? Senior players clique? Very bad answer as Danger is as cooked as any of the Geelong veterans.

The segment is only 15 minutes long and left me feeling that we have a potential problem brewing. His attitude was alarmingly contradictory to the vast majority of us in here.

I'm open minded about whether he captain's or plays next year. I'm worried though he appeared so deluded to his importance to us going forward.

Listen and make your own mind up.
It's worth its own thread actually.

Sloane was never going to retire after doing an ACL and having a year on his contract otherwise why go through all the rehab milestones but beyond next year will depend on how he comes back from the ACL and his form. There's no questioning our senior players outside of Walker has been very disappointing this year so no doubt an inform Seedsman and Sloane who did show some form when he was switched to half forward before the ACL would have help the youngsters, especially in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Sloane was never going to retire after doing an ACL and having a year on his contract otherwise why go through all the rehab milestones but beyond next year will depend on how he comes back from the ACL and his form. There's no questioning our senior players outside of Walker has been very disappointing this year so no doubt an inform Seedsman and Sloane who did show some form when he was switched to half forward before the ACL would have help the youngsters, especially in the 2nd half of the season.

With respect to the two guys injured, them being missing this year has been amazing good fortune.

 

[ABAB]

With respect to the two guys injured, them being missing this year has been amazing good fortune.

Seedsman was one of the best wingers in the league last year and is only 30 years old.

 

[Danger in Texas]

With respect to the two guys injured, them being missing this year has been amazing good fortune.

We’ve really, REALLY missed Seed’s run on the wing

Agree that Sloane’s absence hasn’t been an issue

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

For anyone who hasn't listened to the Rory Sloane Q&A about a week ago, you should do it. It's on the club website.

He's not planning retirement at all. Or the SANFL. He's planning to be 100 percent in round 1 and is looking forward to playing forward, midfield and wing next year AND "a couple more years after that hopefully".
Furthermore, on the experience topic, he said that if he and Seed were playing this year, we wouldn't have lost as many games this year. I also detected a flawed and biased outlook when he was asked which ex-crow he would bring back to the club if he could. He chose his mate Danger!
Entitlement? Senior players clique? Very bad answer as Danger is as cooked as any of the Geelong veterans.

The segment is only 15 minutes long and left me feeling that we have a potential problem brewing. His attitude was alarmingly contradictory to the vast majority of us in here.

I'm open minded about whether he captain's or plays next year. I'm worried though he appeared so deluded to his importance to us going forward.

Listen and make your own mind up.
It's worth its own thread actually.

I wouldn’t read too much into the danger comment. But agree on the rest.
Little bit of denial there but I’ve thought for awhile he’s the type that would need the tap on the shoulder.

 

[rubbers0ul]

What keays showed last night imo almost should shut the door on sloane as i have thought of him as finishing his career as a forward but keays can do what sloane can do there but works even harder and can nullify a player at the same time. Sloane is also done as a mid so where elso could you reasonably play him

Will enjoy your reaction to Sloane playing in the midfield next year and signing a contract for 2024.


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[Gtowncrow]

We’ve really, REALLY missed Seed’s run on the wing

Agree that Sloane’s absence hasn’t been an issue

My comment was aimed at their absence providing two younger players to play all year. At this time of our rebuild, it helped us.
Agree, Seed was very good in 2021.

 

[Mego Red]

I wouldn’t read too much into the danger comment. But agree on the rest.
Little bit of denial there but I’ve thought for awhile he’s the type that would need the tap on the shoulder.

I wouldn't read too much into any of it.

People get carried away with the media trained, standard stuff that players and coaches say.

I mean, I'm sure Sloane is working hard towards coming back, but nothing that's said in an official club media interview should be taken that seriously. It's just content for the Facebook crowd

 

[1970crow]

For anyone who hasn't listened to the Rory Sloane Q&A about a week ago, you should do it. It's on the club website.

He's not planning retirement at all. Or the SANFL. He's planning to be 100 percent in round 1 and is looking forward to playing forward, midfield and wing next year AND "a couple more years after that hopefully".
Furthermore, on the experience topic, he said that if he and Seed were playing this year, we wouldn't have lost as many games this year. I also detected a flawed and biased outlook when he was asked which ex-crow he would bring back to the club if he could. He chose his mate Danger!
Entitlement? Senior players clique? Very bad answer as Danger is as cooked as any of the Geelong veterans.

The segment is only 15 minutes long and left me feeling that we have a potential problem brewing. His attitude was alarmingly contradictory to the vast majority of us in here.

I'm open minded about whether he captain's or plays next year. I'm worried though he appeared so deluded to his importance to us going forward.

Listen and make your own mind up.
It's worth its own thread actually.

None of that is surprising. In VB's final year he was on AA after being selected to return in the Suns game. He banged on about how he and Talia were the only 2 leaders in the backline as if his experience was somehow critical and the fact he was an SANFL quality player meaningless. It's a cultural thing at our club and it goes back years. How many captains in the modern haven't retired their captaincy?

 

[NSolis]

I wouldn't read too much into any of it.

People get carried away with the media trained, standard stuff that players and coaches say.

I mean, I'm sure Sloane is working hard towards coming back, but nothing that's said in an official club media interview should be taken that seriously. It's just content for the Facebook crowd

Yeah I think you always have to think about what he could have said as an alternative. Sloane is a 200 game veteran who has been VC of the AA team, he's not going to be thinking of his rehab from a potentially career-ending ACL as being about coming back to play SANFL, so he's not going to be sitting there saying he's probably cooked but he hopes can be good injury cover. His goal will be to get back to his best, where he would obviously be best 22 because he was a great player, and he's going to reflect that goal in any comments he makes. It's up to the club to determine what sort of contribution he can make when he returns.