List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[Polo342]

My personal opinion is that some team below us like Saints or Dogs will / are going hard for Lobb. We’ll upgrade our first and send that with a future first and get something back.

Out Lobb and two firsts, back in Jackson and two picks between 30 and 50

Do you really think Lobb is only worth an upgrade of firsts though? :/

 

[wakojako]

We have more talent on our list then ever before, we can afford to splurge on a 21 year old freak of nature with three picks we rated top 12 from last year sitting at Peel. We have the medium tall covered with some combo of Logue, Fyfe and Sturt and we can find a KPD to stash at Peel for a few years with lower picks.

An elite small would be nice but we’ll cover that with what we’ve got, there’s no guarantee we can get that with our draft picks anyway

Put it this way, wo

Amiss and Treacy aren't ready to replicate Lobbs output. We lose Lobb we have no one to score goals. This is why we should just play Treacy at the top level and fast track his development.

 

[Mags98]

Amiss and Treacy aren't ready to replicate Lobbs output. We lose Lobb we have no one to score goals. This is why we should just play Treacy at the top level and fast track his development.

were contending right now, lets not play players just for developments sake, dont think treacy is good enough right now to get in the team so thats that imo

 

[Taylor]

Who do you have in mind? I think the answer is no myself.

I don't want to but Caleb Serong being traded to Melbourne should be worth Jackson plus the pick they get for Brayshaw also coming to us, given he is contracted. I would prefer to sign him to a four year extension.

I don't want to do that because realistically we are replacing Fyfe and Mundy from our midfield with Erasmus and Johnson so our depth is spoken for.

I think we need to hold Lobb to ransom if there is a club that wants him.

Let's say it's the dogs. We push to get our future second upgraded with Lobb into their first this year. Then offer those two picks to Melbourne for Jackson.

I'm happy to let that trade be the last one on the last day and that's it.

If they are unhappy we just pick Jackson with that pick #9 on a one year massive deal price on his head and keep our other first round pick. That's not PSD, that's in the national draft. We restructure our salarycap for 2023 to put a huge space for his contract and he nominates that value for one year in his terms at the draft which as an already listed player he is entitled to do.

 

[wakojako]

I don't want to but Caleb Serong being traded to Melbourne should be worth Jackson plus the pick they get for Brayshaw also coming to us, given he is contracted. I would prefer to sign him to a four year extension.

I don't want to do that because realistically we are replacing Fyfe and Mundy from our midfield with Erasmus and Johnson so our depth is spoken for.

I think we need to hold Lobb to ransom if there is a club that wants him.

Let's say it's the dogs. We push to get our future second upgraded with Lobb into their first this year. Then offer those two picks to Melbourne for Jackson.

I'm happy to let that trade be the last one on the last day and that's it.

If they are unhappy we just pick Jackson with that pick #9 on a one year massive deal price on his head and keep our other first round pick. That's not PSD, that's in the national draft. We restructure our salarycap for 2023 to put a huge space for his contract and he nominates that value for one year in his terms at the draft which as an already listed player he is entitled to do.

You know we could just use our current/future picks and trade up the draft order to get Busslinger if he is within range.

 

[Purple Suit]

I don't want to but Caleb Serong being traded to Melbourne should be worth Jackson plus the pick they get for Brayshaw also coming to us, given he is contracted. I would prefer to sign him to a four year extension.

I don't want to do that because realistically we are replacing Fyfe and Mundy from our midfield with Erasmus and Johnson so our depth is spoken for.

I think we need to hold Lobb to ransom if there is a club that wants him.

Let's say it's the dogs. We push to get our future second upgraded with Lobb into their first this year. Then offer those two picks to Melbourne for Jackson.

I'm happy to let that trade be the last one on the last day and that's it.

If they are unhappy we just pick Jackson with that pick #9 on a one year massive deal price on his head and keep our other first round pick. That's not PSD, that's in the national draft. We restructure our salarycap for 2023 to put a huge space for his contract and he nominates that value for one year in his terms at the draft which as an already listed player he is entitled to do.

Serong is probably 2nd on the list of untouchables. No point even writing his name down in a hypothetical.

 

[Taylor]

I very much want Serong to sign an extension this season until free agency like Hayden Young

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160.0

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10.0

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6.6

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3.4

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3.2

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did, but if he isn't going to sign one then I'd rather trade him with a year contracted.

But I don't want to trade him.

 

[Quazar]

see, a lot of this talk is worrying to me. I rate Jackson, I WANT Jackson; but not at the expense of losing Lobb. I don't know if anyone else is following (and yes, apologies I'm being facetious..AND yes, I'm repeating myself - double apologies..) but Lobb is our top goal scorer. He might not be up in the higher eschelons compared to some of the other top KPFs (given he's more a hybrid player anyway), but he's playing a dynamic role and having a really good impact this season.

I'd argue he's in career-best form, if not - certainly his best at Freo since coming across in 2019. If Jackson is coming across AND we keep Lobb. Fine - big stiffy time!

But if it's at the expense of losing Lobb and he's not considered a direct replacement, who's kicking 20+ goals beside Tabs, assuming Tabs stays on the park which he never does...?! Bit scary if you ask me, you're gambling in a way that isn't user-friendly. Also with Walters on the decline at some point and Switta having repeated injury problems too, I'd argue we need another elite small forward as well....got Western pushing through, but it remains to be seen if he can attain those sorts of levels.

I look the look of Mitch Lewis from Hawthorn (got 27 from 9 games in a side not yet considered one of the better ones...), young but not 'rookie' young - but I can't see any way they'd either trade him or he'd come here anyway. Of course there's a few "backdoor" options like a Buddy (not really my cuppa tea, he's never shown any interest in playing over here..) or even a more 'maligned' Tex Walker (not really my cuppa tea x2, depending on if he re-signs with the Crows also..), but the reality is options are thin on the ground of goal-kicking giants and Amiss and Treacy etc are miles off - certainly being the first choice options.

I hope we're not playing with fire here, 'tis all. It's not like other clubs are not hunting or considering KPF options either, so it makes it even harder although you'd think success or signs of it might mold us into more of a destination club than previously.

AND a hard no!! To ever trading Serong, he bleeds Purple with Andy right now despite being Victorian and even a Godfather offer wouldn't sway me otherwise, we're building a potential dynasty around guys like this, because of guys like this. I'm staying out of this thread, it gives me a headache

 

[Purple Jesus]

Trade Serong and our culture is destroyed. Will never happen.

 

[Dayts]

It's also losing Lobb...we also have a need for an elite small and medium forward and a KPB to replace Hamling. Two years of first rounders hamstrings that

I have full faith in Walls & Bell, but there’s no guarantees with those potential future first rounders. They could well be another Sturt or Valente. At least with Jackson there’s some evidence he’s a star in the making. Better that than a couple of picks in the late teens and waiting 2 years to see if they’re any good IMO.

And well the Lobb ones probably out of the clubs hands.

 

[millsy]

I don't want to but Caleb Serong being traded to Melbourne should be worth Jackson plus the pick they get for Brayshaw also coming to us, given he is contracted. I would prefer to sign him to a four year extension.

I don't want to do that because realistically we are replacing Fyfe and Mundy from our midfield with Erasmus and Johnson so our depth is spoken for.

I think we need to hold Lobb to ransom if there is a club that wants him.

Let's say it's the dogs. We push to get our future second upgraded with Lobb into their first this year. Then offer those two picks to Melbourne for Jackson.

I'm happy to let that trade be the last one on the last day and that's it.

If they are unhappy we just pick Jackson with that pick #9 on a one year massive deal price on his head and keep our other first round pick. That's not PSD, that's in the national draft. We restructure our salarycap for 2023 to put a huge space for his contract and he nominates that value for one year in his terms at the draft which as an already listed player he is entitled to do.

We're not getting a premium at the trade table for a contracted player, if we're the ones actively shopping the player to facilitate the Jackson trade though are we?

Conceptually if we are shopping a mid that we think we can afford to lose, to create trade capital for Jackson, contracted status loses any value really doesn't it.

 

[TheLastCall]

I have full faith in Walls & Bell, but there’s no guarantees with those potential future first rounders. They could well be another Sturt or Valente. At least with Jackson there’s some evidence he’s a star in the making. Better that than a couple of picks in the late teens and waiting 2 years to see if they’re any good IMO.

And well the Lobb ones probably out of the clubs hands.

We are in our window, we can go into the draft this year with minimal picks. It is so hard to pick who we need to delist.

We have gone hard at the draft for the last few. Having a year or two where we won't be in the first round will not hurt us. We have first rounders not in our team atm. We are in great shape.

If Lobb is leaving, Jackson is the perfect pickup, we also have ruck/forwards in the WAFL in development. A developing or bargain tall back would be good and a small forward to develop.

Trading out this years and next years first (18,18) and what ever we get for Lobb for Jackson and a 2023 second will be OK.
Jackson is worth that much. I suspect we get an upgraded first and a second or third for Lobb.

After last years master stroke of a draft, I trust the recruiting team to find us some late bargains if we need a spot to fill or a free agent.

 

[Taylor]

We're not getting a premium at the trade table for a contracted player, if we're the ones actively shopping the player to facilitate the Jackson trade though are we?

Conceptually if we are shopping a mid that we think we can afford to lose, to create trade capital for Jackson, contracted status loses any value really doesn't it.

There's nothing to suggest Freo want to do anything but extend Serong for four more years. The last time that happened and a player was poached by another team we got pick #2. I don't think he is looking to leave but my original question should be viewed from the position that another club sees a chance to extract one of our midfield with a big money offer we can't afford to match and we extract bulk value out of.

Let's say North decide that they really need a young elite midfielder and put an offer of $950,000 for five years in front of Caleb Serong.

 

[Midnite65]

There's nothing to suggest Freo want to do anything but extend Serong for four more years. The last time that happened and a player was poached by another team we got pick #2. I don't think he is looking to leave but my original question should be viewed from the position that another club sees a chance to extract one of our midfield with a big money offer we can't afford to match and we extract bulk value out of.

Let's say North decide that they really need a young elite midfielder and put an offer of $950,000 for five years in front of Caleb Serong.

I dont think any amount is enough to entice a player to go to North.

 

[TheLastCall]

There's nothing to suggest Freo want to do anything but extend Serong for four more years. The last time that happened and a player was poached by another team we got pick #2. I don't think he is looking to leave but my original question should be viewed from the position that another club sees a chance to extract one of our midfield with a big money offer we can't afford to match and we extract bulk value out of.

Let's say North decide that they really need a young elite midfielder and put an offer of $950,000 for five years in front of Caleb Serong.

Serong wants a premiership medal more than that kind of money. He and Brayshaw are putting together a midfield partnership that can win a premiership. North is a decade away. The are closer to Tasmania than a premiership. I think Jackson is a chance to come West because he has the medal, and has the chance to try for one with the money for the team he supported as a kid.

 

[Puregold]

Can we afford to trade a contracted midfielder that isn't Darcy Tucker for trade capital?

For me the only other midfield option that is a viable trade out (ie isn’t an untouchable and is worth something to another team) is Will Brodie.
Not that I would be looking to trade him but Brodie out for Angus Brayshaw or for Neale would be a net gain for us

 

[Tbonefreo]

He had a big day out last year. Saw him in Coles Geraldton

What do you mean?

 

[sdfc]

For me the only other midfield option that is a viable trade out (ie isn’t an untouchable and is worth something to another team) is Will Brodie.
Not that I would be looking to trade him but Brodie out for Angus Brayshaw or for Neale would be a net gain for us

That's a big no from me. Hopefully we get Brayshaw for free and we don't need Neale. Brodie should be untouchable. Playing good footy and obviously thrilled to be at Freo.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

There's nothing to suggest Freo want to do anything but extend Serong for four more years. The last time that happened and a player was poached by another team we got pick #2. I don't think he is looking to leave but my original question should be viewed from the position that another club sees a chance to extract one of our midfield with a big money offer we can't afford to match and we extract bulk value out of.

Let's say North decide that they really need a young elite midfielder and put an offer of $950,000 for five years in front of Caleb Serong.

Didn’t Serong write on his locker - immortals- first Freo Premiership player or something???!

 

[Purple Jesus]

Didn’t Serong write on his locker - immortals- first Freo Premiership player or something???!

Him and Young both.

 

[Taylor]

Just for the record when I talked like this, like a paranoid weirdo, about O'Driscoll he signed an extension so Serong should too.

 

[Madas]

My personal opinion is that some team below us like Saints or Dogs will / are going hard for Lobb. We’ll upgrade our first and send that with a future first and get something back.

Out Lobb and two firsts, back in Jackson and two picks between 30 and 50

Id do that
The next 2 years picks are just going to be playing at Peel with the rest of the young guns while we challenge for the flag , makes no sense.
Come’on Belly , get it done

 

[Madas]

Serong is probably 2nd on the list of untouchables. No point even writing his name down in a hypothetical.

Well said
Anyone even thinking it wash your mouth out with soap

 

[Walkingwounded]

Just for the record when I talked like this, like a paranoid weirdo, about O'Driscoll he signed an extension so Serong should too.

Two wrongs does no make it right!

 

[King Huskii]

Treacy and Benning are both a waste of space. Treacy has been on the list for two seasons and hasn't won a Coleman yet, and I'd expect Benning to be dominating WAFL by now.

Sell them both off for whatever we can get.

If you weren't such a sarcastic bugger you'd be a real campaigner of a bloke to deal with