List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[Joao]

The old package up 4 fringe players for a top 5 pick suggestion?

Yes it’s that time of years again, bring on trade radio.

It's better than most of those suggestions. At least Logue, Lobb and Acres have some currency.

On trade radio its usually, Banfield, Tucker, Colyer and Blakely for pick 3.

Bonus marks if you are sending them to a rebuilding team and you say the big bodies can protect the kids.

Your probably right in terms of value and Louge being the only quality. I value Lobb as worth more than pick 25 for us, I think he's easily worth a 1st rounder in value to us.

No doubt we'd need a first (at least) to replace him but I don't think we'd get one. He'll go for a second this year.

 

[Dockeroo]

Silly hypothetical thought but indulge me for a minute. North really need a bit of quality or just decent players sprinkled through their team, they clearly cut too deep with their rebuild. There's a number of Freo players who might be looking to move east or getting big offers, what sort of package of players would they need for their one pick - Logue, Tucker, Lobb and Acres? That could then be on traded to Melbourne for Jackson.

I don't think it would ever happen but honestly filling their list with good AFL quality players with a number years left would probably do more for their list than a heap more young players.

You have to realise that at any given moment in AFL footy there is only about 10 to 15 elite players in the entire comp. I’m talking about players who are regularly in contention for brownlows etc, the likes of Fyfe, Dusty, Petracca, Cameron, Buddy Franklin, Dangerfield, Pendlebury etc etc.
A club like north Melbourne have had NONE of these type of players in arguably the last 20 years. You could say Wayne Carey was their last true superstar of the sport. We probably have had 2 in our entire existence - Pav and Fyfe.
It’s considered in the AFL by list managers (rightly or wrongly) that you can’t win flags without at least one or two of these type of players.
Players like Lobb, acres, Logue, Tucker are just run of the mill afl players. There have been hundreds of similar quality players go through the system since 2000. They aren’t hard to get.
Pick 1 gives no guarantees, but provides a much higher chance to get a superstar on your list, that can lead your club to a flag.
No club in their right mind would do the trade you suggested for that reason. Especially north. Unlike big Melbourne clubs, the only avenue north have to get a generational player is via the draft. They will never trade one in as they are too small and unattractive.

 

[Pommie Docker]

You have to realise that at any given moment in AFL footy there is only about 10 to 15 elite players in the entire comp. I’m talking about players who are regularly in contention for brownlows etc, the likes of Fyfe, Dusty, Petracca, Cameron, Buddy Franklin, Dangerfield, Pendlebury etc etc.
A club like north Melbourne have had NONE of these type of players in arguably the last 20 years. You could say Wayne Carey was their last true superstar of the sport. We probably have had 2 in our entire existence - Pav and Fyfe.
It’s considered in the AFL by list managers (rightly or wrongly) that you can’t win flags without at least one or two of these type of players.
Players like Lobb, acres, Logue, Tucker are just run of the mill afl players. There have been hundreds of similar quality players go through the system since 2000. They aren’t hard to get.
Pick 1 gives no guarantees, but provides a much higher chance to get a superstar on your list, that can lead your club to a flag.
No club in their right mind would do the trade you suggested for that reason. Especially north. Unlike big Melbourne clubs, the only avenue north have to get a generational player is via the draft. They will never trade one in as they are too small and unattractive.

I think there are two big Moneyball zags that exist in AFL of which I think Geelong have done executed one.

1. Young players still developing are overrated versus older known quantity players. The AFL system doesn't reward you for developing players.

2. AFL is a weak link sport and as such elite players or high picks are overrated versus having really good B list players fill most of your squad.

Yes, the value I proposed probably doesn't add up but I'm curious who the club will be who will one day execute one of these high picks for multiple b graders trades.

 

[Docker82]

You have to realise that at any given moment in AFL footy there is only about 10 to 15 elite players in the entire comp. I’m talking about players who are regularly in contention for brownlows etc, the likes of Fyfe, Dusty, Petracca, Cameron, Buddy Franklin, Dangerfield, Pendlebury etc etc.
A club like north Melbourne have had NONE of these type of players in arguably the last 20 years. You could say Wayne Carey was their last true superstar of the sport. We probably have had 2 in our entire existence - Pav and Fyfe.
It’s considered in the AFL by list managers (rightly or wrongly) that you can’t win flags without at least one or two of these type of players.
Players like Lobb, acres, Logue, Tucker are just run of the mill afl players. There have been hundreds of similar quality players go through the system since 2000. They aren’t hard to get.
Pick 1 gives no guarantees, but provides a much higher chance to get a superstar on your list, that can lead your club to a flag.
No club in their right mind would do the trade you suggested for that reason. Especially north. Unlike big Melbourne clubs, the only avenue north have to get a generational player is via the draft. They will never trade one in as they are too small and unattractive.

Doubt those four Freo players get us a top ten pick tbh.

Of course in the real world, if they all leave they’ll end up at least three clubs. The AFL’s points table may make it look like we got inside the top ten in value but in reality clubs aren’t trading the following picks for a top ten pick:

• Pick 18-25
• Pick 25-30
• Pick 35-40
• Pick 50+

 

[Cobbler]

Your probably right in terms of value and Louge being the only quality. I value Lobb as worth more than pick 25 for us, I think he's easily worth a 1st rounder in value to us.

Lobb has been immense for us this year. If we had a hypothetical pick 15, I’d 100% trade it to a club to give us someone like Lobb for 3 years.

He’s literally what we need and we actually have him contracted for another year.

I get he wants to go and his value is probably never going to get higher but I’ll spew if he goes for peanuts… which for me is anything from pick 20 downwards.

 

[Lach72]

So on the couch reckons Gerard Healy was saying Jackson firming to stay.

in which case I reckon Rory finishes his contract while we draft and trade some more tall, medium and small forwards

 

[guidodp15]

So on the couch reckons Gerard Healy was saying Jackson firming to stay.

in which case I reckon Rory finishes his contract while we draft and trade some more tall, medium and small forwards

I dont see that big of a change happening especially with the Grundy leaving Collingwood rumors' heating up

 

[Boomer93]

Reports are that Darcy Tucker

13

Darcy Tucker

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.3

5star

MG

239.7

4star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.3

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

234.8

4star

is leaving to either North or Essendon.

I would rather keep the worthless trade value crowden and trade Tucker for a pick around 45. Cheaper on the cap as well.

 

[Docker82]

Reports are that Darcy Tucker

13

Darcy Tucker

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.3

5star

MG

239.7

4star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.3

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

234.8

4star

is leaving to either North or Essendon.

I would rather keep the worthless trade value crowden and trade Tucker for a pick around 45. Cheaper on the cap as well.

No one is trading pick 45 for Tucker. He’s a salary cap dump and will be priced accordingly.

Future fourth rounder.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

No one is trading pick 45 for Tucker. He’s a salary cap dump and will be priced accordingly.

Future fourth rounder.

IF he's a salary cap, I agree, if not, pick in the 40s feel fare to me. I'd probably dont want to lose both Acres and Tucker for next year so I'd be all for the club holding Tucker to contract

 

[mightymouse75]

Reports are that Darcy Tucker is leaving to either North or Essendon.

I would rather keep the worthless trade value crowden and trade Tucker for a pick around 45. Cheaper on the cap as well.

Tucker was the great hope a few years ago. Then he did his hammy off the bone and been a liability every since.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

That WC board is going to explode when they see what they get for Rioli

 

[wakojako]

So on the couch reckons Gerard Healy was saying Jackson firming to stay.

in which case I reckon Rory finishes his contract while we draft and trade some more tall, medium and small forwards

You know forcing Rory to stay could really backfire on us. He wants to be with his partner. It's most likely the reason he has played out of his ass this season as a condition we trade him.

 

[Dayts]

That WC board is going to explode when they see what they get for Rioli

The Richmond board can’t be far off, it is a madhouse! Some of the offers for Tranto
Makes this board seem like a bunch of genuine list managers

 

[Dayts]

You know forcing Rory to stay could really backfire on us. He wants to be with his partner. It's most likely the reason he has played out of his ass this season as a condition we trade him.

It could…
But he’s also in the last year of his contract and if he wants to get another decent one he would want to play well the next year. If he goes moping around and dishes up a poor year he will only be hurting himself…

 

[wakojako]

It could…
But he’s also in the last year of his contract and if he wants to get another decent one he would want to play well the next year. If he goes moping around and dishes up a poor year he will only be hurting himself…

Nah if Freo don't trade him this year they will just get burnt on a trade next year. Also it is cruel if they agree to trade him and they break that agreement. Besides if worst comes to worst just throw Meek in there as the resting ruck and play Amiss and Tabs as the 2 talls.

 

[Superkoops]

Nah if Freo don't trade him this year they will just get burnt on a trade next year. Also it is cruel if they agree to trade him and they break that agreement. Besides if worst comes to worst just throw Meek in there as the resting ruck and play Amiss and Tabs as the 2 talls.

Really expecting Lobb to go, regardless of Luke Jackson.

People won’t like it but I expect it to be something like

11 & 29 > Lobb & 14

 

[guidodp15]

IF he's a salary cap, I agree, if not, pick in the 40s feel fare to me. I'd probably dont want to lose both Acres and Tucker for next year so I'd be all for the club holding Tucker to contract

I feel people are criminally underrating Tucker in here. He is far from a liability.

That WC board is going to explode when they see what they get for Rioli

Well some are expecting a first rounder so whatever they get wont be anywhere near that.

You know forcing Rory to stay could really backfire on us. He wants to be with his partner. It's most likely the reason he has played out of his ass this season as a condition we trade him.

He played out of his ass because we said we'd trade him? Yeah no hes contracted and probably has performance bonuses. No guarantee to trade unless we get a fair deral. GWS are going to have a plethora of picks would love to deal with them.

Really expecting Lobb to go, regardless of Luke Jackson.

People won’t like it but I expect it to be something like

11 & 29 > Lobb & 14

That is Lobb for a mid-second rounder i can say with 98% confidence we will get more than that.

Save these screenshot it and come back if a deal gets done.

 

[guidodp15]

I've never done this but i had a look at the other lots trade board and the first page made me have a good chuckle

"Freo's rebuild was shambolic and half succeeded in spite of their strategy. They had bust trade after bust trade and missed finals for 6 seasons. If they had just kept some of their decent players and hit the draft, they might have been back with a few years.

As it stands, they look well short of being a team that can win a flag. Almost lost on Saturday against a bog average Bulldogs. Their forward line sucks and they are likely to lose Lobb this off season. I don't see how they take the last step to contender without a short bottoming out, but as they need a gun KPF, that probably won't work in the short term."


The salt and denial is unreal

 

[EastcoastDocker]

Really expecting Lobb to go, regardless of Luke Jackson.

People won’t like it but I expect it to be something like

11 & 29 > Lobb & 14

I'd settle for 11 & 29 for Lobb & 18 (with any adjustments for f/s)

If Jackson doesn't come I can imagine Belly walking into the club yelling 'no one is going anywhere, you're all grounded' paying fair price across the board, keeping Lobb to contract and running it back.

 

[trentjac]

View attachment 1500210

Do.Not.Trade.This.Man


*Especially to the campaigners up the road

Jesus…Full Beast Mode!!!

 

[JammoMonty]

So on the couch reckons Gerard Healy was saying Jackson firming to stay.

in which case I reckon Rory finishes his contract while we draft and trade some more tall, medium and small forwards

Pushing Gary Lyons narrative. Jackson has been a lock for Freo since May and nothing has changed. Cannot wait for him to nominate Freo and VIC media to have a meltdown

 

[Taylor]

That story could break as early as Saturday as "Jackson informs Melbourne of his desire to be traded back to WA for family reasons"

Then the MFC board light up and eye off WC's pick 2/3

 

[bone2468]

Really expecting Lobb to go, regardless of Luke Jackson.

People won’t like it but I expect it to be something like

11 & 29 > Lobb & 14

I’d rather us go to draft with 11,29 then bring Jackson in

 

[Wizard]

I’d rather us go to draft with 11,29 then bring Jackson in

Your not serious?