Preview 2022 Rd 23 Carlton vs Collingwood Sunday August 21 3:20PM @ MCG - Team Post #1305

[KnaveyBlue]

Gonna be tough to standout if you’re in the VFL today. Miserable conditions at Casey.

 

[Benaly28]

Next week is the elimination final … if Williams is deemed ready he comes in based on his experience and the hope that he won’t crumble under pressure if it’s close …

I doubt whether he comes in after missing 10 rounds of footy.


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[Benaly28]

Just off last nights performance, we deserve finals. However, we have shot ourselves on the foot with some truly uninspired performances in the past 6 weeks.

If yesterday was was a pressure rating at 7-8. Next week is going to be a 10.

• We need to win to make finals
• Its against the scum
• In front of the largest crowd these boys will have played so far in their career

Have the boys finally found something within themselves and each other? Have the coaches found something with the midfield mix (really well coached game)?

It’s going to be scenes after we pump those campaigners. Bring it on!

Last nights pressure rating was off the charts maybe an 11.


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[macky99]

There are three ways to beat teams.

Take the bullets out of their gun. What are their main weapons that we can stop? This is where they are tricky because they aren't relying on individuals a great deal.

They have a sound intercepting game so good deliver, to forwards who work hard and set their leads deep and long should cover that.

They have a group who can win plenty of the ball without regularly needing to win heaps of it. They have some good impact players. DeGoey and Daicos are two you would want to limit the impact of. Pendlebury can cause damage. Sidebottom is really good at exploiting opponents who are unaccountable as he did last time. Adams can win a bit of it. But you probably just play close to them, not tag them. We dominated possession against them last time but no Hewett and Cerra out of form.

They have a few in form forwards. Elliott is in good form. Mihocek is their mainstay. Ginnivan can bob up. Henry kicked a few against us last time.

Collingwood don't really give you a way of taking the bullets out of their gun approach to beat them as they aren't too reliant on individuals.

What are they? They aren't big ball winners or big contested ball winners but they are good in the contest. They are a good turnover side. We must make their intercepting players defend and be accountable. Their defence looms as a weapon to attack from so we need to take that away from them by being really discipline with bringing the ball to ground, applying ground level pressure and kicking well to the forwards.


Beat them at their own game.

This is the way to beat them. Collingwood are a high effort high pressure team. They just get to their opponents quick, they don't rely on first hands on the footy too much, they just lay tackles and elite pressure and turn it over. Part of how they have been able to beat the better teams so much this seasons.

We need to maintain first hands on the ball but our intent to hit bodies, lay tackles and apply pressure needs to be right up there. I know you could say this for most teams but I think we need to give them a taste of their own medicine. They are loving being the hunter and hunting the man but we need to turn it around onto them, play them close, tackle hard, tackle well and chase well.

I think the other thing we need to do is take the game on. Defensive, slow moving around the boundary footy isn't going to work. This is a team that loves the game being defensive. Take risks, switch play, go up the middle and go quick is going to be the key here. Hard to apply pressure if we can keep the game open and flowing.

They are a lot possession team and low clearance team, something we have been pretty good at. They are a high tackling and high pressure team. We are a low pressure and low tackling team. I think to beat them we need to beat them at their own game while maintaining our strengths.

I think this comes down to effort and playing a daring and attacking brand of footy. Try not to get sucked into contested defensive footy too much. Take the game on, take a few risks.

We have to be the better pressure/effort side of the day, no questions asked.


Exploit their weaknesses.

Hard to do. They aren't a big possession or ball wining side. They are a turnover side and an efficient side. So pressure on them and you take the efficiency away.

We exploited their weaknesses last time and still lost, we dominated the possession count but we did nothing with it. This time we need to use it better and really take the game on more, less conservative stuff. Teams have shown that they can be scored against, you can dominate them in the midfield and score heavily against them so that's something we need to do. Almost like we need to wind back the clock to our early rounds and go super aggressive.

They are good at defending their way back into the game and that is when we need to apply the pressure really hard.

I think one of our big forwards are capable of having a day out, there is an opening there.

I think we can have a big intercepting game against them, they aren't overly tall where we are. But pressure comes into this.


B: McGovern Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Docherty
C: O'Brien Cripps Cottrell
HF: Fisher Curnow Martin
F: Durdin McKay Silvagni
OB: Pittonet Walsh Kennedy
IC: Williams Cerra Setterfield Motlop
SUB: Stocker

IN:
Williams - I think we roll the dice here. We have missed him a great deal since he was out. Not ideal coming in without a VFL game but comes down to his training.

Kennedy - I think he comes straight back in, strong bodied mid.

OUT:
Newnes - He hasn't been that great, he is a fill in in the end.

Stocker - Thought he was fairly good against Melbourne but he's still lacking the necessary tank and Williams is a level above.

Think Setterfield stays in as a defensive onballer. Releases Cerra to be more attacking hopefully.

It's a quality side, providing those who are coming in aren't too rusty.

Williams will not play, he has not played for 3 months, high intensity game won't be ready without at least 1-2 reserves games.
Stocker was solid, we need to give him games instead of coming in for 1 game, not sure how that possibly helps development.

 

[Stamos]

No way we are (or should be) dropping Owies.

Seeing pressure was what made the biggest difference between last nights and previous recent games is Pressure.

He applies frenetic pressure and his tackles are effective compared to some others. He has a strong body.

Yes he made a few skill errors but without that sort of pressure we wont be getting close to filth this week.

Pressure is a must for our remaining matches.

These games from here on in are do or die for us so different to the usual H&A matches.

The best pressure you can provide is scoreboard pressure.
Or at least the threat that you will punish a defender for a mistake by kicking a goal on them.
Owies is not up to it.

 

[Stamos]

Is Newnes really a better option in defence than Plow or Kemp?

No

 

[TENACIOUS]

Had TDK played instead of owies last night Jackson does not dominate around the ground. Against 2 good ruckmen we should play Pitto and TDK. 3 small fwds doesnt work and with injuries JSOS plays inside mid

I'd drop Owies this week...
But, TDK and Owies play different positions and roles in the team...

De Koning will probably only come back in as forward/ 2nd ruck role...
Which is between SOS and TDK and we all saw the outrage when Silvagni was dropped...

 

[AB_Blue]

I'd drop Owies this week...
But, TDK and Owies play different positions and roles in the team...

De Koning will probably only come back in as forward/ 2nd ruck role...
Which is between SOS and TDK and we all saw the outrage when Silvagni was dropped...

They can co-exist

Jsos can take the Owies role….and play it different

He can go into the stoppage or push up to the wing for the bailout kick….

Martin, Durds and Motts can pressure. We can give Pitto 10 mins on the ball and then a rest and tkd comes onto the ball and SOS goes back to 3rd tall

We’ve seen last night how some fresh players running through the middle makes us less predictable and better defensively out of the stoppage


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[Stamos]

I'd drop Owies this week...
But, TDK and Owies play different positions and roles in the team...

De Koning will probably only come back in as forward/ 2nd ruck role...
Which is between SOS and TDK and we all saw the outrage when Silvagni was dropped...

They would both be picked as one of the forward 7.
It might mean we go for a taller structure, but it's not a completely different position that they're necessarily competing for.

 

[BlueBlood15]

While it would be nice to make a few changes, I’m expecting an almost unchanged side going into this game (subject to any new injuries popping up). The cupboard is pretty bare at the moment. Cerra may or may not be fit. Williams may or may not be fit and hasn’t played for close to 4 months. Hewett, Kennedy and Newman effectively ruled out. Honey hasn’t played for weeks and may or may not be fit with a calf.

Think Cerra comes in if ruled fit to play. Plowman and TDK may be considered. That’s about it I would think given the state of our injury list.

 

[My Hat]

You can just see it next week.

Charlie misses out on the Coleman and we lose.

It’s written somewhere.


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[TENACIOUS]

They can co-exist

Jsos can take the Owies role….and play it different

He can go into the stoppage or push up to the wing for the bailout kick….

Martin, Durds and Motts can pressure. We can give Pitto 10 mins on the ball and then a rest and tkd comes onto the ball and SOS goes back to 3rd tall

We’ve seen last night how some fresh players running through the middle makes us less predictable and better defensively out of the stoppage


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Sure...
But, we have seen a forward line of McKay, Curnow, De Koning & Silvagni...
Looks great in theory, but hasn't really worked in practice (yet)... Not sure I'd risk it with what's on line for rest of the season...

They would both be picked as one of the forward 7.
It might mean we go for a taller structure, but it's not a completely different position that they're necessarily competing for.

Don't think De Koning is good/disciplined enough for that forward/ruck position (yet)... Really hope we can fast track him for this role in the pre season...

 

[Thrawn]

De Goey out with a hip flexor injury. How long are players usually out for with that?

 

[BlueBlood15]

I think the doomsday scenario looks something like this:

• Hawks up all day against the Dogs (get our hopes up for an upset) but blow it late.
• We lose another heartbreaker to the Pies. Something along the lines of what happened last night. That bloody Collingwood chant rings out from the stands.
• We miss out on finals by less than 1%.

I just really hope the boys use last night as motivation. Our best is worthy of playing finals. We owe this mob from last time too. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope for the best now.

 

[Jimmae]

From the VFL game, the only players really putting their hands up are Dow, TDK, and Fogarty, with Carroll and Hayes lagging a little behind.

Kemp and Durdin also looked like we could use them if required. Kemp might have been more in the selection conversation if he'd not had a head knock early on.

 

[plentyblckie]

Hearing Cerra should b right.
Also williams is good 2 go but will they risk him with no match fitness

 

[Aphrodite]

sundy arvo game...reckon there'll be over >60k there at tge G

going to be a hugh game

More like close to 90K

Sell out!



B. L. O. C. K. B. U. S. T. E. R.

 

[Blue1980]

Voss said the other week in his press conference he’ll bring Williams straight in when his right to go, with the massive training block they’ve put in though

If he’s right to go, he will come in for Newnes is my guess

 

[carlton_99]

If he’s right to go, he will come in for Newnes is my guess

Newnes will go for Cerra surely

 

[Blue1980]

Don't know how to feel or what to expect for this one. We'll be relying on several who never play more than 2 good games in a row to back up past night's performance. Biggest game since 2013 and we all know what this club dishes up when there's something on the line.

In 2013 we thought we’d blown everything with a last minute lost to Essendon in the 2nd last game, then had a heart stopping win v Port to make it.

 

[Accidental genius]

The best pressure you can provide is scoreboard pressure.
Or at least the threat that you will punish a defender for a mistake by kicking a goal on them.
Owies is not up to it.

no one else coming to replace owies is going to do all 3 of...pressure on opp (tackling etc), pressure around contested ball and scoreboard pressure.

owies at least does the first 2 well.

he used to kick goals but for some reason he's lost a bit of that.

but he is still our best bet against filth. dont kid yourself.

coaches pick him for a reason. think about it.

 

[DangerousD]

Does anyone know the percentage situation for next weekend if we don’t get up? How much I’ll the Dogs need to win by to overtake us?

 

[Kruezing]

Does anyone know the percentage situation for next weekend if we don’t get up? How much I’ll the Dogs need to win by to overtake us?

Dogs by 7 points I think but this also depends on by how much we get done by …

 

[Blue1980]

He’s not alone on the hill!
Was awesome to see a different CB team all night, who would a thunk it that changing it up was good idea

Well you can die on the hill together.

Setters was able to bring the heat and so was Fisher and Doc. I can’t imagine Dow being able to do that in a finals like game, though I would be delighted to be proven wrong.

 

[Blue4Life]

Apparently durdin pleyed well in the vfl…what about bringing him in and playing weitering forward…his out of form, played there before and a three prong marking forward line would be dangerous