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Gray has 10 goals in his last 5 games against us (if I've read the stats right). Plow seems to have done a pretty good job on him
I've also provided stats for Papley and Cameron - the two best small forwards in the game. No one is claiming he is an automatic starter in the 22 - but some of the comments I see on this board about him are absurdAnd 15 if you go back to 6 games.
Gray has dined out on Carlton for years. One of those games he only kicked 1 goal but had 27 disposals off a half forward flank.
Plow fans... known for their firm grip on reality you think?
Have you taken a look at those 5 goals in that 6th game (I assume it's round 5, 2017)?And 15 if you go back to 6 games.
Gray has dined out on Carlton for years. One of those games he only kicked 1 goal but had 27 disposals off a half forward flank.
Plow fans... known for their firm grip on reality you think?
Please Jones is a good footballer in his limited domain-- he would often get lost in no man's land and his disposal was ordinary - he would often give up direct goals every week-- good full backs give up hardly any all year via direct error .. I used jones as an example trying to say plow isn't as bad as what Has been said on this board . But I will stand by the fact that Jones is a very average full back .U name the one single opponent that Jones could not beat regularly and that's about the only one that had that record on him.... Look at Carlton's record in the year[2020 ] he was knocked out against North Melbourne before and after.... We could not win a game without him because he was that important to our structure... He had the intercept game he also was tremendously fast in closing down an opponent, And he set the tone with courage and his desperation ... The Carlton match committee and recruiting team would have been back in an instant.... And suddenly our team would look absolutely complete.
I can't see out of our current backs who else can do this sort of thing.
at 16 mins Richo comment '' ...not just intercept marks in the league he takes but the best contested intercept marks in the competition....''
Pretty simple, McDonald did a solid job against Richmond's top KPF, Young was smacked by their now jettisoned depth.
You don't put a line through Young of course but he's a long way off being considered a reliable option.
probably why he was in the reserves until injuries occurred
im not sure Omac can be defined as a reliable option after 1.5 games either.....
I think Austin has a job to do. Omac is looking injury prone and Young second game looked worse than bad. The latter only a two game sample but I’m factoring the doggies not wanting him despite an awful to average defensive list of talls.
Please Jones is a good footballer in his limited domain-- he would often get lost in no man's land and his disposal was ordinary - he would often give up direct goals every week-- good full backs give up hardly any all year via direct error .. I used jones as an example trying to say plow isn't as bad as what Has been said on this board . But I will stand by the fact that Jones is a very average full back .
“Don’t want to knee jerk after one loss, but some of our vulnerabilities were “spectacularly” put on show on Sunday. I had a first hand viewing of the debacle as well as the reserves game.
There were some sub standard efforts from a range of players. We did not have the mindset to take on a side bringing maximum intensity while we has a couple of key absentees.
Durdin’s pressure is a fire starter, his energy is infectious. Do not also underestimate his game awareness. He is the most game savvy member of our forward line and already does more directing than most realise. We have some highly talented forwards, but intelligence is not in oversupply outside of Durds, JSOS and Owies. Harry, Charlie, TDK, Martin and Fisher get by on ability and instinct alone, but all have the fault of believing their own hype a little too much at times. Our structures suffer accordingly too often.
Durdin in providing he has recovered from Covid. Who goes out? Late replacement Fogarty is the first. My first thought was that Motlop needed a bigger body of work to assume a spot which is clearly his very soon. Then I thought Owies, Fisher and
I'd take Paper over the Cracks though.‘Paper’ doesn’t win games.
Really good correct and to the point review of plow.Plow is one that does get hammered.
My view on Plow isn’t going to help but It isn’t based on ranting. Rather than matchups on players and goals scored which is hard to line up, I look at it in other ways.
Just watching him vs Stephenson showed he is weak vs a smart or fast lead up forward. Over the last 12 months I’ve seen him pretty weak when it’s a ball on the deck heading towards opponents goal. He has started in front position but each time loses that interaction. You can see he is nervous about holding his feet under pressure. Sometime last year he had the free role but made zero impression So has no intercept defender value. He is an in between height making the clear role harder. He offers no aggression and physically struggles to hold out players in one on one contests. He can’t play tall lockdown imo. Yes, we can argue he has had mixed success and failure for small forwards.
This bit does sound like potshotting but I think he has been very lucky to land at Carlton and very lucky Marchbank got hit with a cursed footballing life. Lucky Jones left us short. Again lucky McGovern went down.
When posters say he played well or bad versus so and so….well that is very hard to line up versus the overall match sway. Was it really midfield pressure or lack of midfield pressure that explained his performance. It’s why I don’t look at that so much. I look at the smaller traits to make up my mind. In my mind he should be a squad player and not first choice.
Mostly, when I watch Walsh, Docherty, Silvagni, Saad, Weitering etc., then over years as they approach the ball I feel good based on their history of winning ‘physical interactions’. With Plow, I stress for him based on history of him losing more interactions than he wins.
I rate the physical interactions highly for a defender. Boyd not off to the best start at Carlton under the same microscope. Did some nice things last week compared to previous weeks but the telling bit is ‘physical interactions’ where he has been terrible.
I can't see out of our current backs who else can do this sort of thing.
at 16 mins Richo comment '' ...not just intercept marks in the league he takes but the best contested intercept marks in the competition....''
Agree with this especially. Plow must have some of the worst balance in the team, he falls over at hardly any sign of physical contact at times.Mostly, when I watch Walsh, Docherty, Silvagni, Saad, Weitering etc., then over years as they approach the ball I feel good based on their history of winning ‘physical interactions’. With Plow, I stress for him based on history of him losing more interactions than he wins.
The Doggies offered him a 2 year deal.I think Austin has a job to do. Omac is looking injury prone and Young second game looked worse than bad. The latter only a two game sample but I’m factoring the doggies not wanting him despite an awful to average defensive list of talls.
If Plowman is in the backline Gray will be licking his lips.
Definetly short a tall down back - especially with Jones gone.
I think people are being harsh on young. Not a great game at all but FMD our mids got torched and ball was moving in pretty freely. Ive seen Jones have games like Young did.
Can he even move at 34 anymore?If Plowman is in the backline Gray will be licking his lips.
Reckon you could certainly make a case for pushing Plow into the role that Setters is currently playing.
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Docherty up to a wingReckon you could certainly make a case for pushing Plow into the role that Setters is currently playing.
Paul BowerHasn't been a player as devisive as Plow since Bret Thornton?
Paul Bower
My friend once played Bret Thornton in a local footy game, he said something along the lines of "crazy how you got delisted by one of the worst sides in the competition and went on to struggle to get a game in the worst team in the competition, your careers a joke" Thornton laughed, and quickly said something like "If I'm terrible and I played 189 games of AFL, then what does that make you?" Bret went on to break my mates ribs in a marking contest that game![]()