List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

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Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: Draft Pick order

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[shinboner magic]

There talking about mega trade, thats ports problem to get it or come up with an alternate that makes your Roo's happy.

Port offer us 8 and f1 for judas - we say no
And now in mega trade they offer the same picks and get judas , Rioli and ratuolga

Bloody media are cooked

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

As far as I'm concerned JHF must and will go. Port will pay up when crunch time hits.

He can go with someone else like Xerri too if they request it.

I want a hell of a lot back, let's see what happens.

 

[hellas_johnny]

Club should just shut up negotiations and tell jhf to report to training. Take 1 to the draft and take cadman and then take cooper later. back clarko to either turn jhf around or at least get him to have a good season. Then

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Port offer us 8 and f1 for judas - we say no
And now in mega trade they offer the same picks and get judas , Rioli and ratuolga

Bloody media are cooked

Yep, the bloody media!

The media has killed Tom Mitchells value! An for me the value is in the eye of the beholder.

To the Roos, Tom may not even be worth a second round pick due to his age and where your club is at in its development.

To a premiership contender i feel a late first, with us paying his salary is good value. According to the media were lucky to get a second round pick.

JHF is worth more than Rioli.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

What do you think is best for us?

You answered it yourself - not taking unders for JHF resulting in the very real prospect (IMO) of him thriving with us under Clarko in 2023. If he doesn't, at least we have a better information set in a year in relation to his value.

I'm not across the young draftees, but I tend to agree with you that the hard-on over Cadman seems to have gathered momentum here in the last few days, given he was only around 4-5 in most lists prior to this week.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Port offer us 8 and f1 for judas - we say no
And now in mega trade they offer the same picks and get judas , Rioli and ratuolga

Bloody media are cooked

But the essence of multi club deals is that a third club can bring something to the table that makes it work, when it wasn’t working for the original two clubs. Again, if we get more than Port was offering initially, that’s a win, regardless of whether they give us more directly.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

If it gets to the last day of trade week next year and they are offering their 1st and their 2024 first are you really going to walk him to the PSD and lose him for nothing, just on principle?

I know that some people will say yes but to me that is just hurting the club.

Save us the year of bullshit. Get pick 2 today. Get a year of development into them.

Im not talking about trading him for pick 8 or not trying to negotiate beyond the current offer. But I want to figure something out this week.

Sure, but the tone of your previous posts on this was if they don't come to the table with pick 2 + quality, we should take 8 and F1 anyway. You seem to have changed your stance on the latter.

 

[Psicosis]

Both Geelong and Sydney have AA forwards that they recruited from other clubs and 6 of the top 10 in the Coleman have changed clubs. That's the point being made. While it can be true that great key forwards are hard to find and that they usually get taken early in the draft, there's a lot of recent history of forwards being traded or acquired in free agency.

These days, players like Wardlaw and Tsatas are as close to a sure thing as it gets. Most top-line forwards are taken early, but the success rate is much lower. I think there's enough evidence to show that you're more likely to convince a key forward to change clubs than you are to draft a good one early. If the club is backing itself in to recruit a mature elite forward when the time is right, then I can't fault that strategy.

Yeah, I think they’re both on the extreme ends though in terms of luring opposition players. It took Sydney a 10M contract to get Franklin, whilst Geelong and their brown paper bag have had one of the most unbelievable recruiting sprees ever. The good ones are very difficult to acquire unless you are right in the window and are paying an absolute premium. It’ll be interesting to see how Freo navigate it over the coming year (that said they just took Amiss).

Rewind 12 months and we were all panicking about key defensive stock. Now we have Logue to partner up with McKay for the next decade (I think it’ll be considered one of the best defensive combos in the comp). The argument could be made that we could do this with a forward. Equally I do think they and goal kicking power mids are the two most sought after commodities in the league.

It’s an interesting debate, one I’m sure our list management & Viney/Clarko are discussing heavily. I see pros for each side personally.

Re Cadman, it’ll obviously just comes down to where he is on our talent board. If we rank him 4th of Wardlaw Tsatas Sheezel Cadman, then we’d seriously think about trading Pick 1 if they’re paying a premium on someone we wouldn’t have taken with Pick 1 & 2 anyway.

 

[Hojuman]

Quality of giants’ drafting? Jeez they’ve whiffed on more than their share of 1st rounders imo. Worse record than us. They just happen to have a perpetual first round pick machine.

I added it up once - 27 top 10 picks since inception.

 

[Devington]

But the essence of multi club deals is that a third club can bring something to the table that makes it work, when it wasn’t working for the original two clubs. Again, if we get more than Port was offering initially, that’s a win, regardless of whether they give us more directly.

A lot of people just want to see Port get screwed. I'm kind of in that boat tbh. JHF nominating them was one thing, but their stubbornness and media games are aggravating.

 

[Psicosis]

Quality of giants’ drafting? Jeez they’ve whiffed on more than their share of 1st rounders imo. Worse record than us. They just happen to have a perpetual first round pick machine.

I rate Emma Quayle very highly. I think their drafting has been good. Always going to miss some.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

You answered it yourself - not taking unders for JHF resulting in the very real prospect (IMO) of him thriving with us under Clarko in 2023. If he doesn't, at least we have a better information set in a year in relation to his value.

what makes you believe the bold?

He doesn't want to be here, pretty much everything suggests his teammates really dislike him, and i cant imagine Clarko and Viney tolerating the petulant shit and sulking we saw from him this year

If anything, I suspect it would be the complete opposite.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I like Hunter Clark, but he certainly is not worth breaking the bank or pick 1 for. Happy to revisit in 12 months.

Yeah.
Having said that, if the club prefers Sheezel, I can’t see myself crying to sleep at the prospect of getting him, Clark and someone like Cowan or Keeler.

 

[Twinkletoes]

If you keep bending over, then you will keep bending over.

TM Annabel Chong

 

[hoffseason gains]

I rate Emma Quayle very highly. I think their drafting has been good. Always going to miss some.

I would say they’ve missed on more than they’ve hit tbh. Hopper & Green both academy picks. You’ve got Greene, Kelly, Whitfield, Coniglio and Taranto still on their list now that they’ve hit on. Cameron was zone I think. Shiel, Treloar, Lobb others who have left and somewhat hit.
Pickett, Tyson, Plowman, O’Rourke, Boyd, Patton, Setterfield, Ahern and on and on have all failed to reach their full potential. And they love to reach on who they like which means they don’t necessarily get the best value for player.
I feel like a bit of it is to do with the volume of picks = volume of risks taken, and the level of development at GWS especially when a lot leave after a few years, and early on were getting smashed every week. But multiple regimes of list management have made a multitude of bad pick decisions, really making up for it, I believe with their astute trading of picks and undervalued players like Shaw & Mumford.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

what makes you believe the bold?

He doesn't want to be here, pretty much everything suggests his teammates really dislike him, and i cant imagine Clarko and Viney tolerating the petulant s**t and sulking we saw from him this year

If anything, I suspect it would be the complete opposite.

Immature kids eventually mature. Especially if they've had a major kick up the arse. He's too good of a talent to give up on so early.

We're of opposing views here - I think your perception of the likely outcome is completely wrong (and vice versa, I assume).

If the deal doesn't get done, the proof will be in the pudding, as the say - one of us will be proven correct. If the deal does get done, I forecast that we'll be shaking our heads sadly most weeks as he dominates for Port.

 

[Twinkletoes]

I think the Cadman comparison to Cameron is based on Cabman saying he compares himself to Cameron.

Trent Dumont?

 

[buttox]

I think our shithouse forward line has more to do with poor entries than bad players up forward. Clark's kicking skills would improve that.
I really want him for that reason.

 

[WodongaKanga]

Passmore ask and you shall receive - 8 way trade to get the deal done. Even managed to only have Port give up two first rounders too

Geelong - Ratugolea for pick 46.

Gold Coast - give picks 45 & 46 for pick 22.

St Kilda - Clark for pick 18.

* - give pick 22 for Bonner and pick 45. (Despite Dodo repeatedly stating the Bonner isn't the Port player that won a Brownlow, the * President disagrees and overules, before embarking on a media campaign to spruik his achievement. The ensuing mockery results in Dodo needing to "resign".)

GWS - give picks 3, 18 & their 2023 1st for pick 1.

West Coast - give pick 2 & Rioli for pick 8, Houston & Georgiades.

North - give JHF & pick 1 for picks 2, 3, 2023 1st (Giants), 2023 1st (Port), Sinn & Clark.

Port - Give pick 8, 2023 1st, Houston, Georgiades, Sinn & Bonner for JHF, Rioli & a giant bag of d!cks (to clarify, that last part is just the weekly delivery of Kochie bobble head dolls to the Port gift shop.)

Done.

I heard they wanted to throw in Butters too

 

[shinboner magic]

But the essence of multi club deals is that a third club can bring something to the table that makes it work, when it wasn’t working for the original two clubs. Again, if we get more than Port was offering initially, that’s a win, regardless of whether they give us more directly.

Pooooort must have good friends if that deal happens

 

[hoffseason gains]

I think our shithouse forward line has more to do with poor entries than bad players up forward. Clark's kicking skills would improve that.
I really want him for that reason.

That’s one of the reasons I think Sheezel could be the guy we really want, he has elite kicking skills and his entries, goal sense and setting up of teammates i50 creates so many scores.

 

[AGC]

Yeah, I think they’re both on the extreme ends though in terms of luring opposition players. It took Sydney a 10M contract to get Franklin, whilst Geelong and their brown paper bag have had one of the most unbelievable recruiting sprees ever. The good ones are very difficult to acquire unless you are right in the window and are paying an absolute premium. It’ll be interesting to see how Freo navigate it over the coming year (that said they just took Amiss).

Rewind 12 months and we were all panicking about key defensive stock. Now we have Logue to partner up with McKay for the next decade (I think it’ll be considered one of the best defensive combos in the comp). The argument could be made that we could do this with a forward. Equally I do think they and goal kicking power mids are the two most sought after commodities in the league.

The good thing here is that if we acknowledge Larkey is our number one key forward for the future, we're only talking about us needing the acquire a second key forward. That's also not considering we invested heavily in Edwards and CCJ recently as well - both of whom could be seen to be that second forward.

I'm all for drafting a key forward if we're happy that the key forward is the right one. With the loss of JHF, I just think it's a much easier sell to any individual, that they could move over and be the final ''piece in the puzzle.''

I'm also acutely aware that - as a stop gap - Gunston types will always be around for a year or two, to help fill a void

 

[DocSholl]

Pretty sure GWS can get 1 without giving up their future first. That's not going to happen.

 

[RoovolverUpstairs]

I would say they’ve missed on more than they’ve hit tbh. Hopper & Green both academy picks. You’ve got Greene, Kelly, Whitfield, Coniglio and Taranto still on their list now that they’ve hit on. Cameron was zone I think. Shiel, Treloar, Lobb others who have left and somewhat hit.
Pickett, Tyson, Plowman, O’Rourke, Boyd, Patton, Setterfield, Ahern and on and on have all failed to reach their full potential. And they love to reach on who they like which means they don’t necessarily get the best value for player.
I feel like a bit of it is to do with the volume of picks = volume of risks taken, and the level of development at GWS especially when a lot leave after a few years, and early on were getting smashed every week. But multiple regimes of list management have made a multitude of bad pick decisions, really making up for it, I believe with their astute trading of picks and undervalued players like Shaw & Mumford.

Quayle jumped on board in 2017 and they haven't done much wrong since then, ironically their poorest selection since her arrival is probably aiden bonar at 11. Outside of that they've been pretty consistent and good at finding value in the later rounds (eg Sam Taylor at 28)

 

[The Nostradamus]

If we trade pick 1 and miss on Cadman we need to bring in a key forward

Someone like Amartey who is starved for opportunity