List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

When does Free Agency begin? How long does the Trade Period go for? Find out on AFL.com.au.

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Lomas]

Just all the good decisions. Brady, the mistakes.

Great delegation.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Given the earlier trade, moving back from 40 and getting a later pick and a future 3rd at least makes sense if we're committed to Cooper at that fourth pick.

 

[Twangler]

That's cruel man, cruel.

Yeah I really thought we could get better value out of picks 40 and 43 than two picks in the 50s next year.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Hawks will finish last next year. Good trade.

We are loading up on picks next year for a massive trade




Maybe

 

[chubbspeterson]

After having a little more time to think about it, I'd say other clubs in the twenties would've wanted a future 2nd for them and not interested in 40 and 43.
Bombers would likely only move 22 for a future 2nd or if a Davey bid comes before that forcing them to trade it.
Saints might be desperate enough to give Bombers a future 2nd.

 

[Lomas]

After having a little more time to think about it, I'd say other clubs in the twenties would've wanted a future 2nd for them and not interested in 40 and 43.
Bombers would likely only move 22 for a future 2nd or if a Davey bid comes before that forcing them to trade it.
Saints might be desperate enough to give Bombers a future 2nd.

Dammit, foiled by a future second yet again.

 

[tiltraise]

I’d be annoyed if we were using our pitiful excuse for priority pick allowance to draft a guy that won’t play and will coach in our salary cap again. Especially as we’ll probably want to hold a pick over for the MSD.

Having a coach on the rookie list allows us to pay over the soft cap for player development.

When it comes to MSD if we need a spot the coach simply retires.

 

[Shinboner1]

In talks with Brisbane for a swap of our pick 40 with their future 3rd and a late pick this years - will happen early in live trading on draft night as per afl website

What a joke

 

[Shinboner1]

Hawks will finish last next year. Good trade.

We are loading up on picks next year for a massive trade




Maybe

Its basically pick 58-62.
Really not that good.

 

[roos 10]

What a joke

Our pick 40 and 70 for Brisbane this year pick 73 will come in 7 picks and 2023 3rd pick was bulldogs

 

[Shinboner1]

Our pick 40 and 70 for Brisbane this year pick 73 will come in 7 picks and 2023 3rd pick was bulldogs

Can you say that again?

 

[giantroo]

Lions, Roos in pick swap talks as clubs assess draft hands​

Lions, Roos in pick swap talks as clubs assess draft hands

The Lions and Kangaroos could trade picks when the NAB AFL Draft gets underway

www.afl.com.au

The Lions and Kangaroos could trade picks when the NAB AFL Draft gets underway

BRISBANE and North Melbourne are in discussions on a picks trade that could be made at the start of the opening night of the draft after the window to swap selections closed on Tuesday.


The Roos made the final trade of the post-trade period and pre-draft picks swap window, swapping out their No.43 pick for a future fourth-round pick from Fremantle, which is tied to Hawthorn’s ladder position.


North holds picks No.2, 3 and 23 and will use its fourth and final national pick on father-son prospect Cooper Harvey.


It meant the Roos were looking to trade their picks in the 40s for future selections and keep a late pick to grab Harvey, the son of North Melbourne champion Brent. They were able to do that with Fremantle, while discussions with Brisbane could also see the Roos move out pick 40.

A deal involving pick 40 for a future third-round selection from the Lions as well as a later pick in this year's draft to use on Harvey has been worked through, which would give Brisbane important additional points to match bids on father-son pair Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher.


The Lions would be able to strike a deal as soon as the draft starts on Monday, November 28 to bolster their points ahead of the bids.

 

[Themanbun]

Just all the good decisions. Brady, the mistakes.

There was a while there where Brady had all the good decisions attributed to him and all the bad ones to other people by most here, so the wheel turns!

 

[Heaps of fun]

Freaking about every single trade before all is done is moronic. Just wait to assess after the draft period and most of you won't look like such turnips in retrospect.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Freaking about every single trade before all is done is moronic. Just wait to assess after the draft period and most of you won't look like such turnips in retrospect.

Yeah but objectively pick 43 for future pick 55-60 is not great even if you weren't going to use 43.
Ideally you get a future 3rd swap rather than a future 4th. Could they have traded 40 and 43 with the Lions for two future 3rds?

 

[Limerick]

Roll on Monday, November 28th

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Will admit, I don't see the logic behind the Freo trade, but I'm sure its there somewhere.

Sure we MIGHT use another 4th next year, but I doubt it.

 

[andana]

Will admit, I don't see the logic behind the Freo trade, but I'm sure its there somewhere.

Sure we MIGHT use another 4th next year, but I doubt it.

fre0 hoping to use the pick for Jed Hagan

 

[DarkPhoenix]

So how are Brisbane selecting 6 players on draft night when everything is eaten on Ashcroft + Fletcher?

4 picks in the rookie draft?

I may be completely wrong, but I feel like I heard a few years back, if you used all your live picks for matching bids etc. You get new picks created at the end of the draft after everyones done with their picks to ensure that you take the minimum 3 picks.

Again, could be completely wrong, and if anyone knows where to read the relevant rule, I'd love to look into it.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

fre0 hoping to use the pick for Jed Hagan

Yeah, it seems like a favour to freo, but with no real reason to do so.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Will admit, I don't see the logic behind the Freo trade, but I'm sure its there somewhere.

Sure we MIGHT use another 4th next year, but I doubt it.

Brady is like that girl in the queens gambit who gets high and stares at the ceiling for what moves to make. Only makes sense to him lol.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Having a coach on the rookie list allows us to pay over the soft cap for player development.

When it comes to MSD if we need a spot the coach simply retires.

It also means we have one less rookie to choose from.

I suspect the MSD has less talent than the rookie picks.

I'm not a fan of the approach but others might disagree and that's fine.

 

[andana]

Will admit, I don't see the logic behind the Freo trade, but I'm sure its there somewhere.

Sure we MIGHT use another 4th next year, but I doubt it.

But wait

There's more


BRISBANE and North Melbourne are in discussions on a picks trade that could be made at the start of the opening night of the draft after the window to swap selections closed on Tuesday.

A deal involving pick 40 for a future third-round selection from the Lions as well as a later pick in this year's draft to use on Harvey has been worked through, which would give Brisbane important additional points to match bids on father-son pair Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher.


Mates rates? Clarko and Fagan?

 

[perplexed]

Lions, Roos in pick swap talks as clubs assess draft hands​

Lions, Roos in pick swap talks as clubs assess draft hands

The Lions and Kangaroos could trade picks when the NAB AFL Draft gets underway

www.afl.com.au

The Lions and Kangaroos could trade picks when the NAB AFL Draft gets underway

BRISBANE and North Melbourne are in discussions on a picks trade that could be made at the start of the opening night of the draft after the window to swap selections closed on Tuesday.


The Roos made the final trade of the post-trade period and pre-draft picks swap window, swapping out their No.43 pick for a future fourth-round pick from Fremantle, which is tied to Hawthorn’s ladder position.


North holds picks No.2, 3 and 23 and will use its fourth and final national pick on father-son prospect Cooper Harvey.


It meant the Roos were looking to trade their picks in the 40s for future selections and keep a late pick to grab Harvey, the son of North Melbourne champion Brent. They were able to do that with Fremantle, while discussions with Brisbane could also see the Roos move out pick 40.

A deal involving pick 40 for a future third-round selection from the Lions as well as a later pick in this year's draft to use on Harvey has been worked through, which would give Brisbane important additional points to match bids on father-son pair Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher.


The Lions would be able to strike a deal as soon as the draft starts on Monday, November 28 to bolster their points ahead of the bids.

I'm fairly unimpressed by Rawlings's ability to manipulate the draft system to benefit us.

If this proposed trade with Brisbane was done today we wouldn't need Brisbane's late pick coming back as we would be able to take 70 to the draft instead of their pick 73. Or if it was done instead of the Freo trade we could have taken 43 to the draft instead of 73, and maybe live traded that for Brisbane's other spare F3.

Or if we opened up another list spot or two we could have maybe live traded 43 to Essendon with our F3 for 22. Instead we are the only team, other than Adelaide and Geelong, likely to fill our primary list despite being given extra rookie spots which should make things easier for us. If someone we rate slides, we can't take them or we risk losing Cooper. We have basically locked ourselves into a list break-up and can't vary it if an opportunity arises at the draft. Why?

None of this stuff matters much, it is much more important to choose the best players, but they are small advantages we could take and are just watching them pass us by.

 

[My Left Foote]

So many trade experts in here, makes me long for the good old days of trade eon with Buckenara and Rendell.