List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Yawkey way]

I can't image who'd do that deal. Pick 1 is really pick 2 so you're getting to jump a few places but giving away 3 more good picks to do it?

Nobody is doing it but stupid trade deals with multiple 1st rounders should be a win and should be looked at imo. The way I look at it is would it make us a better side, can we replace kings production. If the answer is yes then it makes sense, better to ask who would give up pick 1 plus a predicted very early pick next year plus two seconds. It’s that damaging that the afl probably wouldn’t allow it.

 

[bird_man]

I’m not knocking him bird man just pointing out that the game has changed and even if king reaches his full potential everyone has a price, we traded plugger and life went on. I remember seeing Reid for the swans early and thinking gee how good is this kid going to be. He didn’t build up, was often injured and just nether consistently produced. King looks good and he’s got ten years left if we had a better forward set up he’d be even better. It’s just someone else’s hypothetical which imo wasn’t that stupid, no one’s actually suggesting we do it.

You just have to look at how important Cameron and Hawkins are to Geelong.

The game is always changing but big men are as important as ever.

Trading an elite key forward 4 years into his career would be a club killer. Watching him kicking 60-70 goals a year for another club would do me I reckon.

 

[MordySaint]

I'm surprised they delisted him to be honest. If he's prepared to go around again as a rookie, that, amongst other things, might be a way to recoup some value out of him. Let's face it, the 42nd guy on our list is not going to be expected to play. At all. And none of this "he'll take midfield time from kids blah blah". He'll just be another quality player we can put through there. I'd say having him in there would help the kids. Just look at the spark he provides when he plays.

Now obviously there is the risk his body fails him, however on the rookie list on a rookie wage it's a low risk.

Low risk, high reward.

I'd be using a few rookie list spots to pick the holes out of the Southport Sharks and the minor leagues.

We all like what happened with Wilkie and Hayes, if that worked then do it again.

Going down the lines of using rookie spots for retired AFL players like Frawley, McKernan, Rowe etc has never worked.

 

[BrutThough]

King is a star already but I think he's pretty unique in that he's playing as a our solo tall forward most of the time and just about every ball goes through him. If you were developing a tall forward this is the way not to do it historically. If he had a Josh Bruce or another forward to go through he probably gets a lot less supply. I don't think it's as straight forward as others didn't do it as early so he will be much better than them.

Worst case he turns into a Joe Daniher type which is still a gun. Best case he's the GOAT. What he is doing now won't set his ceiling.

It doesn't matter what happens historically, because most key forward who come through aren't as talented as King. Most 22 year olds aren't good enough to be doing what he is already doing.

For the majority of games he has played so far in his career, it has been a 3 target forward line - King, Membrey, resting ruck - so it's not like he has been solo the entire time. He has had other targets around him yet still been the dominate forward because he is just that bloody good despite his age.

 

[Yawkey way]

You just have to look at how important Cameron and Hawkins are to Geelong.

The game is always changing but big men are as important as ever.

Trading an elite key forward 4 years into his career would be a club killer. Watching him kicking 60-70 goals a year for another club would do me I reckon.

Yeah look it’s not happening just a hypothetical and I felt the same way when we traded plugger.

 

[Klaatu]

What's happening with Sydney Stack

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Sydney Stack

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.7

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

202.0

3star

D

9.8

2star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.8

4star

MG

133.0

2star

D

16.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

227.4

4star

contract at the tigers ??

 

[stavro#4]

Jesus Christ. Trading king.

He would legitimately be the only player on our list that is untradeable.

If pick 1 was offered for any saints player. You would accept it for everyone bar Steele and maybe Sinclair outright - they would need a little more

 

[MordySaint]

Jesus Christ. Trading king.

He would legitimately be the only player on our list that is untradeable.

If pick 1 was offered for any saints player. You would accept it for everyone bar Steele and maybe Sinclair outright - they would need a little more

Probably just a diversion to stop us from talking about Clark and Hannebery

 

[Ads734]

The coach doesn't use him well. A good coach would have him dominating and bringing others into the game. Ratts had his Joe the goose game plan and once that was worked out he was done for forward strategy. Now 90% of our forward entries go through King standing still which isn't good for his development, our predictability and makes every other forward near to redundant.

Kings stats are bulked up compared to others at he same age because no other club has put so much responsibility on such a young forward. We don't do things by the book.

Look agreed but also quite simply half of maxs problems and the teams problems would be solved if he could kick for goal at a 25% rate then he does now. It’s really that simple.

 

[stavro#4]

Look agreed but also quite simply half of maxs problems and the teams problems would be solved if he could kick for goal at a 25% rate then he does now. It’s really that simple.

He kicked 52.41.

So 55%.

I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement. But it isn’t horrific

 

[Ads734]

He kicked 52.41.

So 55%.

I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement. But it isn’t horrific

Statistically, sure. Watching the games where he went 1.3 1.7 2.5 and 0.5 and that’s not including any OOF kicks. The fact is he kicks half of those we make finals and he’s a genuine ALl Aus chance. This is also not a crack I think it’s an incredibly good sign. Fix his kicking and we look a lot better.

 

[lewdogs]

We're getting DeGoey. Nope.
We're getting Lobb. Nope.
We're getting Kyle Hartigan. Maybe.
We're going to trade Clark out and bring back Hanners. Sounds like us.


At least we can still dream of Stocker and Dow. Perhaps we could give them the Clark pick for them.

St Kilda would be literally the last club Hanners would go to seeing as we essentially de-listed him.

 

[bird_man]

As tempting as it may be, it's time to move on from Hannebery and back some kids.

Having Hanners in the midfield just give us 4 mids 29 and over that won't take us anywhere.

 

[_Maximus_12]

I’d love to find a way to get inside the top 10 again to give us access to Cadman.
King is crying out for a legitimate partner in crime.
Not a resting ruck, or a 6’2 tweener, a genuine forward threat to pair with.
The more 1 v 1 looks we can get him, the better we’re going to be.

 

[MordySaint]

St Kilda would be literally the last club Hanners would go to seeing as we essentially de-listed him.

Nothing surprises me when it comes to decisions and negotiations behind closed doors. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall.

Onwards and upwards at the Saints, the big external review is happening now and we should have the "BIG" results soon.

 

[Joffaboy]

Jones probably needs to be kept and played at Sandy, he'd be worth nothing. He was very good at times last year and a real POD in the midfield. He was s**t this year but really missed do much footy it's not a huge surprise. He's no champion but he's a decent standard. Same with Billings, no-one is going to want to trade. Keep him as depth and hope he comes good.

Had some real 'personal issues' he needs to overcome. Thinking this really held back his football. Off field 'issues' can lead to on field performance issues.

 

[MordySaint]

Had some real 'personal issues' he needs to overcome. Thinking this really held back his football. Off field 'issues' can lead to on field performance issues.

I'm not one for delisting Jones, he an OK to good player. He's hard at the ball, decent disposal... just needs to let go and stop being so hard on himself.

He only 27 and has a few good years of football left in him.

 

[Joffaboy]

So now we are on to King?

First Saint to kick 50 in a season in a decade going at 55% @ 22 y.o.

Are people really critiscing him. Goodard once said they seemed to go through Roo all the time because in the split second he had to look up and kick, Roo was presenting, always presenting.
Max is different, however much taller and usually much deeper.
With zones the mids look up and see the towing King.
I think some of the blame should be slated home to the mids and other forwards not leading and giving King a chop out.

 

[MordySaint]

So now we are on to King?

First Saint to kick 50 in a season in a decade going at 55% @ 22 y.o.

Are people really critiscing him. Goodard once said they seemed to go through Roo all the time because in the split second he had to look up and kick, Roo was presenting, always presenting.
Max is different, however much taller and usually much deeper.
With zones the mids look up and see the towing King.
I think some of the blame should be slated home to the mids and other forwards not leading and giving King a chop out.

I'd rather talk about getting Blake Acres back.

Did you see his game against the Pies?

Hard at the ball, beautiful 60m penetrating drop punts, played through an injury, racked up quality disposals.

He's everything we need at St Kilda.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

There is no way a club would give up a top ten pick for Hunter Clark.

5 years ago you would say the same about Lachie Weller.

Yet GC still stumped up pick 2 for him.

 

[Saints43]

Are you saying our player development over the last 10 years has been good?

But what has ten years ago got to do with today? There's barely anyone in the football department that was there a year ago.
I'm waiting for someone to bring up the Ian Stewart trade as proof that we'll stuff this years trade period up.

 

[Joffaboy]

I'd rather talk about getting Blake Acres back.

Did you see his game against the Pies?

Hard at the ball, beautiful 60m penetrating drop punts, played through an injury, racked up quality disposals.

He's everything we need at St Kilda.

Carlton bound

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I’d love to find a way to get inside the top 10 again to give us access to Cadman.
King is crying out for a legitimate partner in crime.
Not a resting ruck, or a 6’2 tweener, a genuine forward threat to pair with.
The more 1 v 1 looks we can get him, the better we’re going to be.

As Gringo said in the draft thread, Cadman gives off massive J.Cameron/C.Curnow vibes. Would be a perfect partner for Max.

If sending Clark to GC gets us into the mix to take Cadman then I'm signing up right now.

 

[g_TRAIN]

He kicked 52.41.

So 55%.

I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement. But it isn’t horrific

It's not 55% it's 49%

He had a number of shots on goal that didn't score.

Total shots on goal for the year were 106 for 52 goals.

 

[bergholt]

He kicked 52.41.

So 55%.

I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement. But it isn’t horrific

It's pretty bad compared to the rest of the Coleman top 20:

Well, look at goal accuracy across the whole season for the Coleman top 20:

62: Marshall, Wright
61:
60: Heeney, Lynch
59: C Cameron, Chol, Fritsch, Kennedy
58: Breust
57:
56: J Cameron, Curnow
55: Franklin, Greene, Hawkins
54: Naughton, Walker
53:
52: McKay, Stengle
51:
50:
49:
48:
47: King
46:
45:
44:
43:
42: Bolton

(This was before the last round I think, can't be bothered updating it)