List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Diehard Saint]

168 pages of nothing. Go back to bed and come back in a month. Who knows, an actual trade might actually have happened by then.

Well you know, SOME teams are still playing footy…

 

[bergholt]

What equalisation? F/S and academies make a mockery of any claim to equalisation, Geelong's money seems to be worth more than other clubs, Richmond etc...

It's not that their money is worth more. This is the same story as in most sports - player development matters.

Imagine Cam Guthrie at St Kilda. He would have had basically the same career as Jack Newnes. Middling draft pick, played plenty of games early, looked ok, never quite took the next step, never quite found an AFL level workrate, etc.

Instead somehow Guthrie - a pretty vanilla player without any standout attributes - becomes AA and has a year where he gets 18 Brownlow votes. Can't imagine anything like that happening at St Kilda through that time.

It's all about development. It's a simple sell to Bruhn to say "want to be a top player? we won't pay you top dollar but if you come here and learn from our culture you'll make the most of your career". Whereas all we can say is "come to the Saints, we'll pay you good money and we have a roadmap to make finals in 6 - 8 years".

Same as in every sport. Success breeds success, and the good clubs sell that very credibly.

We failed to do that effectively through 2010 - 2014 and since then we've had nothing to sell. So we start from the bottom again.

 

[gringo2011]

Players want to play for a successful and exciting team. We were a bit of a destination club when our directory was upwards. Unfortunately the last two years performances and results have put a big dent in that.

We need to start concentrating more on football results, not money making, stadium building or being a social barometer.

Basset has outlined this, more focus on football results... but it staggers me that so many people at the club got promotions when our on-field results were not so good... maybe they have different KPI's which aren't based on the onfield results.

So far they haven't done anything to show they actually care about on field results. Bassat is all hot air until he gets his arse into gear and starts to demand some results.

 

[D2D3]

So 2 Richmond, 1 Geelong and 1 Collingwood so far is that right? So shocking

 

[D2D3]

So far they haven't done anything to show they actually care about on field results. Bassat is all hot air until he gets his arse into gear and starts to demand some results.

Basset cares more about trying to invent marquee games and keeps forgetting one will only ever work if we have a team that actually plays watchable footy first.

 

[Klaatu]

Enjoy playing VFL for a few years he would be 6th in line to play midfield & I’d think Miers would want a crack in there as well, like I’ve said player managers are neglect in sending players to a club to play 2s footy.


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[gringo2011]

Enjoy playing VFL for a few years he would be 6th in line to play midfield & I’d think Miers would want a crack in there as well, like I’ve said player managers are neglect in sending players to a club to play 2s footy.


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Geelong have an ordinary midfield and Danger and Selwood at the end. He probably gets a role easier than he would at the Saints. We have a bigger pool of good mids that would keep him out

 

[Klaatu]

Geelong have an ordinary midfield and Danger and Selwood at the end. He probably gets a role easier than he would at the Saints. We have a bigger pool of good mids that would keep him out

He would replace 1 of our ordinary mid like Jones.


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[Saint Shags]

Well could only suggest that it looks more likely that we try to grab some of these multiple picks that GWS will get and mini reset.

If we could who would be on GWS' radar?
Doubt Clark would be. Would they still want Gresham? Of course it would have to be very much in our favour.

 

[gringo2011]

He would replace 1 of our ordinary mid like Jones.


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So would one of Windhager or Owens and who ever we get at the draft. Just got to make these drafts count from now on. No more Allison type speculative random picks.

Bruhn would have been nice but not at the expense of our first pick. I think Geelong's pick around 17 to 19 will be about right and our second would have been too little.

 

[Diehard Saint]

So would one of Windhager or Owens and who ever we get at the draft. Just got to make these drafts count from now on. No more Allison type speculative random picks.

Bruhn would have been nice but not at the expense of our first pick. I think Geelong's pick around 17 to 19 will be about right and our second would have been too little.

Was such a nice change to have all three of last years draftees able to come in and play a good amount of games.
Thats what I want this year. Kids who can come in right away and play at least a handful of games.
I don’t even want to hear the words “project players.”

 

[MordySaint]

So far they haven't done anything to show they actually care about on field results. Bassat is all hot air until he gets his arse into gear and starts to demand some results.

For the record, I like Basset. You don't get to where he is in the business world without being a very smart businessman.

I really hope he can go with his gut this review and make the right decisions to improve our onfield performance.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Has Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

31

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.6

3star

been covered?

Suggested by Mitch Cleary

 

[BrutThough]

Has Rory Lobb been covered?

Suggested by Mitch Cleary

Reportedly going to the Dogs. Herald Sun today said 4 years at 500k.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Well could only suggest that it looks more likely that we try to grab some of these multiple picks that GWS will get and mini reset.

If we could who would be on GWS' radar?
Doubt Clark would be. Would they still want Gresham? Of course it would have to be very much in our favour.

Owens and Windy?

 

[Saint Shags]

Owens and Windy?

Would be more those that have been at the club a bit. Would think GWS would want a mix of draft and mature recruits.

Owens and Windy would be untouchable.

 

[Diehard Saint]

For the record, I like Basset. You don't get to where he is in the business world without being a very smart businessman.

I really hope he can go with his gut this review and make the right decisions to improve our onfield performance.

We’ll see if he puts his money where his mouth is and does not sell an interstate game this season.
In a radio interview I heard a while back he said they doubted they’d do it next season.
We’ll see.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Reportedly going to the Dogs. Herald Sun today said 4 years at 500k.

Couldn’t be a better option out there to give Ro a chop out and take pressure off Max

 

[Captain Paddy]

Owens and Windy?

Gresham never going to be elite until he becomes goof off field

 

[PoppedCorn]

Gonna be a grim reality check with all these players choose other clubs over us

Nahh

We all know no one will choose us

I won't be disappointed or surprised at all lol

 

[MickG88]

Look I agree he needs support. But at the same time I think the most effective way to improve our forward line is to work on goal kicking.

I disagree a little, I think the big problem with our forward line is where we are taking the shots from. We need to work on our disposal going inside 50 and having a better gameplan then bomb it long and hopefully Max will bring it to ground.

 

[MickG88]

Gonna be a grim reality check with all these players choose other clubs over us

I don't think so, it would grim if our own players start to jump ship. We need to retain the talent we have amassed.

 

[AirWinmar]

Trade king the year of the next super draft.

3 x top 10 picks.

Then get him and his brother back as free agents premierships here we come

 

[AirWinmar]

Steele seems to be kicking less goals every year (with out checking stats). That was one of his strengths early. Looked like he could rest up forward and score pretty efficiently.

We need cover in the midfield so we don't get destroyed when he rests forward

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Reportedly going to the Dogs. Herald Sun today said 4 years at 500k.

4!! He’s nearly 30!