A 'pretty good' defender can lose you a game though. Having an elite key defender is just as impactful, it's just not as noticeable because they don't kick goals
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I don’t have an issue in the slightest with the idea of spending a pick around 10 on someone who plays key defence, if that’s a major need.
Those taken around that area have been extremely “bankable” over the years, with a very very high strike-rate. Very few “busts”, if any.
Gibcus last year (pick 9) looks a ripper, the year before Hawthorn took Grainger-Barrass at 6 and they seem thrilled with him and here are a bunch of others from the last 20 years who were taken between 5 and 15:
5: Michael Hurley
8: Ben Reid, Lachie Henderson, Griffin Logue
9: Darcy Moore, Aaron Naughton
10: Phil Davis, Nathan Brown
12: James Frawley
13: Daniel Talia
14: Jake Lever
15: Robbie Tarrant
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Yet most premiership teams of late have been built around great defence
Lever and May
Grimes and Rance
Barrass and McGovern
An average defence can you lose you a premiership just as much as a good midfield can win you one
Looks like I’ve been Sandra’d.
Yeah if that’s what he’s been saying it’s completely and utterly untrue and is actually the opposite of the case.
I’d say over the last 20 years they actually have by far the lowest “bust-rate” of any position. It’s quite remarkable really.
McCasey might be the only one in 20 years and everyone raves about Marchbank’s talent, so it’s just been injuries holding him back.
EXCLUSIVE: St Kilda star apologises after X-rated AFL profile answer
Saints defender Darragh Joyce and the club have been forced to make a grovelling apology after the Irishman's X-rated answer to an innocent AFL Record interview question.www.dailymail.co.uk
That's a cracker. Who would complain about that? Some precious creatures out there.
Quality reporting here:
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Took them long enough, that's been out for agesEXCLUSIVE: St Kilda star apologises after X-rated AFL profile answer
Saints defender Darragh Joyce and the club have been forced to make a grovelling apology after the Irishman's X-rated answer to an innocent AFL Record interview question.
I mean the Dogs won a flag with Joel Hamling, Fletcher Roberts, Dale Morris, Easton Wood.
But also:
Lever pick 14
Rance pick 18
May GC concession pick
Barrass pick 43
Grimes PSD pick 2
McGovern rookie pick 44
Not sure that shows that you definitely need to spend an early pick to get one.
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Traditionally they have been. You know we'd take the spud one because too many have worked out. DGB is pretty meh so far too. Not sure Heath Chapman is a pure tall back either. More like a third intercept tall. Logue would be a disaster too. He seems to have missed about 5 years of footy.
That’s hilarious. Those who would be offended by it are highly unlikely to know what that’s slang for anyway though (I’d never heard of it), and nor would many if any kids who they might be worried about hearing it.
Loved Dane Swans answers too!
Not necessarily, however I think the current Premiers got Trac, Oliver, Brayshaw and Viney before recruiting May.
Nah, I didn't suggest you definitely need to spend an early pick to get one?
What I did say is that premierships were built around quality defence
And also disagreed that you are more likely to get a bust by taking a key defender in the first round, because that just clearly isn't true
Fact is though, Melbourne gave up 3 first rounders to get Lever and May in the door and I highly doubt they regret that.
Just like most of the club's that have taken key defenders in the first round in the last 10 or so year woukdnt regret it either.
So who are all the busts?
Sure I guess. I just think it’s hard enough to get good mids and you can’t win a flag without quite a few of them. A first round pick has the best chance of filling one of those mid roster spots with quality.
I'm not sure it matters what order you get your positions into the club as long as you end up with them all.
Used to be people suggesting you need to get your spine first and then build from there.
I just think you take it year by year and see what's available. If there is a quality key defender there that we think will be the next May we would be stupid to pass on that.
4 retirements already so lists spots don't need to be forced as of right now.
Yeah I'm all for getting a gun mid if they are available to.
They might all be gone by the time our pick comes along though and we'd end up looking pretty silly if we passed on a quality key defender for an average midfielder or a flanker with "potential to go into the midfield"
Well we’ve had a fair few retirements as well.
At least they seem to know Byrnes pretty well, strangely.
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What I find about this sort of reporting is how they mention grovelling apology to an s rated answer, which was so offensive they say what the answer was and then show a copy of the profile and then explain what the comment was a reference to. How about just letting it go?EXCLUSIVE: St Kilda star apologises after X-rated AFL profile answer
Saints defender Darragh Joyce and the club have been forced to make a grovelling apology after the Irishman's X-rated answer to an innocent AFL Record interview question.
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