List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[gringo2011]

I don't know about nailing the last draft. Owens and Windy fell into our laps. NWM is good but hard not to get someone good in that top 10.

We have been so bad for so long that when we don't pick up a confusing player, we all celebrate. Actually very pleased that Libba has had his role take off him. Lets just hope that Toce is better. He's done well in SA but guys like Wilkie and Hayes were literally just picking the best players of their type in the state leagues. Highmore and Coops are probably a bit better finds.

Nas was a risky pick and if he goes home it wasn't a great choice.

 

[gringo2011]

Coffield could be a gun, but he's no key defender

Wilkie is the pick of our defenders but I think he could even be better next to an elite tall defender

Howard is not very young. He'll be 27 by round one next year. I'm not sure he has a lot of improvement left in him.

Battle was very good this but can he be trusted to play on quality key forwards? Wilkie and Howard almost always took them.

We have an ok backline. I think under Enright we showed huge improvement but I'm not sold it's premiership material in terms of personal.

Coffield is an intercept defender. Lever plays more of that role, Melbourne defend by bringing up their wings to help cover players and that allows them to isolate Lever or May. To free a player to intercept you have to cover them. Sydney do that with McCartin too.

Didn't realise Howard was so old. That probably is about as good as he'll get. Probably need to learn to mark rather than spoil to make the step up.

Enright has them organised and early we were stingy but I think that was when the mids were a lot more dynamic and letting less ball get out the back. To me Coffield could reshuffle the magnets. If he comes back and we use him well he could really change things up. We lose Hill, Paton looked half of his past out put and should improve. Being a settled back 6 is probably the number one thing with a good defence. We changed a lot of players in the last few years.

I'd still like to try Jones back and move Sinclair on ball.

 

[bird_man]

Coffield is an intercept defender. Lever plays more of that role, Melbourne defend by bringing up their wings to help cover players and that allows them to isolate Lever or May. To free a player to intercept you have to cover them. Sydney do that with McCartin too.

Didn't realise Howard was so old. That probably is about as good as he'll get. Probably need to learn to mark rather than spoil to make the step up.

Enright has them organised and early we were stingy but I think that was when the mids were a lot more dynamic and letting less ball get out the back. To me Coffield could reshuffle the magnets. If he comes back and we use him well he could really change things up. We lose Hill, Paton looked half of his past out put and should improve. Being a settled back 6 is probably the number one thing with a good defence. We changed a lot of players in the last few years.

I'd still like to try Jones back and move Sinclair on ball.

Coffield is an intercept mark but very different to Lever who is a much better defender

I think Vlaustin is a better comparison to Coffield. Coff just can't handle playing on taller players and is he's a good play maker .

 

[gringo2011]

Coffield is an intercept mark but very different to Lever who is a much better defender

I think Vlaustin is a better comparison to Coffield. Coff just can't handle playing on taller players and is he's a good play maker .

I agree on that. Coff is a mid sized defender but anyone that goes out to intercept has to be covered so it doesn't have to be a tall.

 

[Joffaboy]

I don't know about nailing the last draft. Owens and Windy fell into our laps. NWM is good but hard not to get someone good in that top 10.

True we have never once stuffed up a high draft pick and no.33 and no.47 in the draft always turn out to be superstars.

 

[luca77]

Players often share house so you get little cliques around that.

I meant the reporters! Or was that the joke?
Sorry - mornings are a struggle.

 

[D2D3]

I'd love nothing more than another elite mid on our list.

But reaching for an average mid or a flanker with potential to play midfield isn't the answer either.

At the end of the day the quality needs to be there and there are also other needs on our list.

Also, as much as I wanted a mid last year with our first, we looked to have ended up with one of the best mids in the draft. I reckon if the 2022 draft was done again Windhager would be top 10

I'd be more willing to hear it if we didn't find a reason to use our first pick elsewhere every year since 2018 at least. And I suspect we'll have another reason next year. Feel like I've heard this argument every single year in that time and it's pretty much always turned out we had an option we just chose to go another route, to mixed results, some good no doubt, but some less good and the problem isn't looking like going away.

Agree Windy does look great though so there hope there I admit, but we've also counted our chickens before they have hatched in the past to our detriment.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Coffield is an intercept defender. Lever plays more of that role, Melbourne defend by bringing up their wings to help cover players and that allows them to isolate Lever or May. To free a player to intercept you have to cover them. Sydney do that with McCartin too.

Didn't realise Howard was so old. That probably is about as good as he'll get. Probably need to learn to mark rather than spoil to make the step up.

Enright has them organised and early we were stingy but I think that was when the mids were a lot more dynamic and letting less ball get out the back. To me Coffield could reshuffle the magnets. If he comes back and we use him well he could really change things up. We lose Hill, Paton looked half of his past out put and should improve. Being a settled back 6 is probably the number one thing with a good defence. We changed a lot of players in the last few years.

I'd still like to try Jones back and move Sinclair on ball.

So who goes if we get another key defender and Coff comes strong back from his ACL.

Back 6 certainties would then be

????? Howard Wilkie

Coff ???? Sinclair

If we have delisted Joyce because we have our eyes on a tall KPD then Battle has got to be considered trade bait simply because he has more value than someone like Highmore or Leinert.

Interesting times coming up.

 

[Klaatu]

Griffin Louge on the radar.


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[BrutThough]

So who goes if we get another key defender and Coff comes strong back from his ACL.

Back 6 certainties would then be

????? Howard Wilkie

Coff ???? Sinclair

If we have delisted Joyce because we have our eyes on a tall KPD then Battle has got to be considered trade bait simply because he has more value than someone like Highmore or Leinert.

Interesting times coming up.

We just signed Battle to a 2 year deal.

 

[bird_man]

So who goes if we get another key defender and Coff comes strong back from his ACL.

Back 6 certainties would then be

????? Howard Wilkie

Coff ???? Sinclair

If we have delisted Joyce because we have our eyes on a tall KPD then Battle has got to be considered trade bait simply because he has more value than someone like Highmore or Leinert.

Interesting times coming up.

Either none of them miss or you pick the guys with the form. Pretty simple.

People keep suggesting you can't fit them in but it's been pointed out numerous times that Richmond played with a similar side to win multiple flags.

I don't think the fact Joyce gas been delisted means we necessarily have someone else signed either.

Could well just mean we realised he wasn't very good and if we can't trade in a replacement we'd quite easily be able to find someone just as good, younger and with more upside I'm the state leagues.

 

[BrutThough]

Griffin Louge on the radar.


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Seems to be on a lot of clubs radars.

He seems very similar to Battle so unless one was going to play forward, would they work well in the same defence?

 

[AirWinmar]

Coffield could be a gun, but he's no key defender

Wilkie is the pick of our defenders but I think he could even be better next to an elite tall defender

Howard is not very young. He'll be 27 by round one next year. I'm not sure he has a lot of improvement left in him.

Battle was very good this but can he be trusted to play on quality key forwards? Wilkie and Howard almost always took them.

We have an ok backline. I think under Enright we showed huge improvement but I'm not sold it's premiership material in terms of personal.

I agree with this, our defence is OK but not premiership material in my view. If Battle can become like a May type for us then we would look a lot better.

Really hope Coffield comes on for us next year - has the attributes to be a gun

 

[AirWinmar]

We have been so bad for so long that when we don't pick up a confusing player, we all celebrate. Actually very pleased that Libba has had his role take off him. Lets just hope that Toce is better. He's done well in SA but guys like Wilkie and Hayes were literally just picking the best players of their type in the state leagues. Highmore and Coops are probably a bit better finds.

Nas was a risky pick and if he goes home it wasn't a great choice.

From a quality perspective Nas is a great pick. I love it how he takes players on and dances around them - we don't have many who do this effectively and it breaks the game open. His kicking has started to wane a bit, but hopefully that's just adjusting to the speed. And mainly hopefully he stays with us

 

[gubby88]

I don't know about nailing the last draft. Owens and Windy fell into our laps. NWM is good but hard not to get someone good in that top 10.

We drafted 3 blokes that by then end of the year didn't look out of place in senior footy

You couldn't nail the draft any better.


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[Saintbloke]

We drafted 3 blokes that by then end of the year didn't look out of place in senior footy

You couldn't nail the draft any better.


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Once they put Sharman back in the forward half where he belongs, then we're not doing that bad, as Windy, Owens and NWM will only get better. Just need to get some more smarts in the coaching side of things.

 

[pebblesofsand]

We just signed Battle to a 2 year deal.

Either none of them miss or you pick the guys with the form. Pretty simple.

People keep suggesting you can't fit them in but it's been pointed out numerous times that Richmond played with a similar side to win multiple flags.

I don't think the fact Joyce gas been delisted means we necessarily have someone else signed either.

Could well just mean we realised he wasn't very good and if we can't trade in a replacement we'd quite easily be able to find someone just as good, younger and with more upside I'm the state leagues.

Contracts


Well unless we've signed Battle up for $300K year I can't see how he and a "name" KPD defender can fit in the same side.

Agree its different if we chase a young project player but it struck me as a bit weird to delist Joyce at this stage given our next "tall" defender is then Oscar Adams and he's having serious back issues.

 

[Saints43]

Well unless we've signed Battle up for $300K year I can't see how he and a "name" KPD defender can fit in the same side.

That's why they designed the grounds with wings.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Seems to be on a lot of clubs radars.

He seems very similar to Battle so unless one was going to play forward, would they work well in the same defence?

Id say Logue has way more agility than Battle , Yes Battle has a tank but is not agile in any way , once he gets a head of steam up it takes him two blocks to slow down and turn around.
Logue is just that little bit stronger that he can take the bigger types , id have him any day of the week

 

[Ekomaira]

That's a cracker. Who would complain about that? Some precious creatures out there.

Quality reporting here:


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the only one they got right was the lesser known player. quality

 

[Joffaboy]

Id say Logue has way more agility than Battle , Yes Battle has a tank but is not agile in any way , once he gets a head of steam up it takes him two blocks to slow down and turn around.
Logue is just that little bit stronger that he can take the bigger types , id have him any day of the week

If we go for him we are dancing around the problem. Battle, Wilkie, Paton, Coffield, Highnore, even Sharman. He will be in that group, all about 193 cm.
We have one 200cm back but we are going after someone like Logue.

Yup makes sense.

 

[ScrappyDo]

So who goes if we get another key defender and Coff comes strong back from his ACL.

Back 6 certainties would then be

????? Howard Wilkie

Coff ???? Sinclair

If we have delisted Joyce because we have our eyes on a tall KPD then Battle has got to be considered trade bait simply because he has more value than someone like Highmore or Leinert.

Interesting times coming up.

As a regular here, can you explain to me why getting another KPD requires the omission of 1 of our 2 best defenders?
Coz Battle and Wilkie have basically held up out back half. I don't get it.

 

[Klaatu]

Logue can play forward as well but will play FB & Doug’s chb.


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[gringo2011]

Griffin Louge on the radar.


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He must average similar amounts of games to Hanners. I guess we need to keep the medicos on their toes.

 

[gringo2011]

As a regular here, can you explain to me why getting another KPD requires the omission of 1 of our 2 best defenders?
Coz Battle and Wilkie have basically held up out back half. I don't get it.

You are getting pretty tall if you are carrying Battle, Howard, Wilkie, Logue. If you say it's a back 6 with wings coming up it leaves 2 spots for Sincs and Clark, Coff, Paton, Highmore, Webster and Connolly types. Then you've got guys like Sharman and Membrey dropping back. Play a spare behind the ball or extra in defence it pulls a rotation out of the mids or forwards. If you play a side with multiple caller forwards like Collingwood or Freo you would be freaking out about the ball hitting the deck.