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We made a bad decision getting him in. So i guess that means we should make another bad decision by keeping him for another two years and pay him another 1.6 million?
Makes sense.
List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II
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We made a bad decision getting him in. So i guess that means we should make another bad decision by keeping him for another two years and pay him another 1.6 million?
Makes sense.
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Hill and pay 200k of his contract for the remaining 2 years.
Hill is contracted and is the one wanting out. No where has the club said that we want him out.
If they want him they stump up. Just like we did for Freo and what Freo did for the Hawks. Considering what we gave up
pick 19 isnt the big of a deal. Otherwise we keep him.
Compensation pick from AFL
Let’s face it, we have proven you don’t need a quality ruck to clear the stoppages. We have Owens rucking at one stage and winning the stoppages!
But having 2 young kids who can compete in the ruck but have the athletic ability to be mobile and running across the mid/forward area solids like an interesting prospect.
Move Marshall as the KPD.
If we don’t pull a rabbit out of a hat and try to trade up to try and secure a player like McKenzie I will spew!
I will spew up if I spew up.
I’m glad someone would be happy. You know what, in isolation I wouldn’t have a problem with it, but given our draft history and current side, yeah I’d hate it. The last pure midfielder we drafted in the first round was either Hunter Clark 5 years ago (if we count him as such, looks a better half back flanker right now tbh) or Luke Dunston 9 years ago and the only player we’ve drafted in the first round in the last decade that is actually playing in our midfield consistently is Jade Gresham. It’s no wonder we are continually crying out for top end midfielders. We need to address the problem not put it off year after year and hope it gets better.
If we are serious about building a premiership around our young group this years draft is a really important.
In saying that we really need to bolster our core of young mids.
If we can grab a “for instance” McKenzie and Humphreys than add a DeGoey (FA) that will certainly give the faithful some hope leading in to 2023 and beyond.
So the question is, how can we improve our hand…..
If Norf wants Hill, then we need to play hard ball.
Hill + pay some salary or add another player get their pick #19
We also have OOC 2022
Long
Higgins
Bytel
Wood
Campbell
Byrnes
Highmore
Jones
OOC 2023 so potential trade this year that could net us a few picks.
Clark
Gresham
Connolly
Webster
Coffield
Ross
Adams
Peris
DMac
NWM
What better draft picks would be available?
Norf has a young list and wanting some experience players.
They have a horrible hand and they can’t just trade for experienced players without giving something back.
That’s why I reckon #1 is on offer.
But I don’t think we have the draft hand to entertain that option but it’s there for the taking.
GC have announced they want to play finals next year and willing to trade out their top 10 picks for players.
They have mentioned they want a running half back.
GC #5 (from Adelaide), I’m thinking something like:
Clark or Battle + future 3rd,
or
Webster, Paton, or Highmore + future 2nd
GWS would be looking for KP forward so I reckon #3 could be up for grabs?
Our #9 and future 2nd = #3 (approx equivalent points)
I really don’t know how this could play out but we have to push to trade up our hand to try and lock in a gun mid.
Happy to see what anyone else thinks how we could trade up.
In saying that we really need to bolster our core of young mids.
If we can grab a “for instance” McKenzie and Humphreys than add a DeGoey (FA) that will certainly give the faithful some hope leading in to 2023 and beyond.
So the question is, how can we improve our hand…..
If Norf wants Hill, then we need to play hard ball.
Hill + pay some salary or add another player get their pick #19
We also have OOC 2022
Long
Higgins
Bytel
Wood
Campbell
Byrnes
Highmore
Jones
OOC 2023 so potential trade this year that could net us a few picks.
Clark
Gresham
Connolly
Webster
Coffield
Ross
Adams
Peris
DMac
NWM
What better draft picks would be available?
Norf has a young list and wanting some experience players.
They have a horrible hand and they can’t just trade for experienced players without giving something back.
That’s why I reckon #1 is on offer.
But I don’t think we have the draft hand to entertain that option but it’s there for the taking.
GC have announced they want to play finals next year and willing to trade out their top 10 picks for players.
They have mentioned they want a running half back.
GC #5 (from Adelaide), I’m thinking something like:
Clark or Battle + future 3rd,
or
Webster, Paton, or Highmore + future 2nd
GWS would be looking for KP forward so I reckon #3 could be up for grabs?
Our #9 and future 2nd = #3 (approx equivalent points)
I really don’t know how this could play out but we have to push to trade up our hand to try and lock in a gun mid.
Happy to see what anyone else thinks how we could trade up.
Gresh averaged 29 disposals per game in his draft year, so I dare say he did that from the midfield.
It would all come down to what’s available from my POV, and generally speaking, I’m all for going best available inside the first dozen picks at a minimum.
Take the 2017 draft for instance.
Bulldogs major need going in was key defence and it just so happened that Naughton made it through to their pick at 9 and they grabbed him there.
Now imagine if their major need was midfield and they instead picked who they considered the best for that role there instead.
The following picks were:
10: Lochie O’Brien
11: Aiden Bonar
12: Darcy Fogarty
13: Jarrod Brander
14: Matthew Ling
15: Zac Bailey
16: Ed Richards
17: Jack Higgins
18: Brandon Starcevich
19: Will Powell
20: Cal Coleman-Jones
21: Oscar Allen
22: Lachie Fogarty
23: Will Walker
Of those next 14 picks, there isn’t a “pure mid” in there, so that’s why you’re asking for trouble if you say you’re going to draft such-and-such a type at a particular pick, come hell or high-water.
It also explains why we didn’t draft a “pure mid” with either pick 7 or 8 that year. The midfield quality after pick 5 that year was pretty dreadful.
Tim Kelly at 24 and the pretty average James Worpel at 45 were the only other two “pure mids” of note outside the top 5.
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I never understood why we wanted Brad Hill so bad, he's a cherry on top player and we never had the cake to begin with. He only came here cos we offered the most money. Throwing in Acres for no reason just to get the trade done was dumb aswell. Luckily it seems we nailed the last draft and it give us a good young core to work off, hopefully by the time Steele/Marshall/Gresh are nearing 30 we have a contending team.
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Can't guarantee its accuracy but its interesting. You'd think Jones would be under some pressure.
De Goey listed at $700 to $800K so you'd think if Hill moves on its almost a straight swap $$$'s wise. Possibly some wriggle room to pay $100/$150k of Hills salary if needed without affecting salary cap considerations over the next couple of years.
Jack Steele MIDFIELD, $700,000-$800,000
Dougal Howard DEFENCE, $625,000-$725,000
Jade Gresham MIDFIELD/FORWARD, $625,000-$725,000
Max King FORWARD, $600,000-$700,000
Brad Crouch MIDFIELD, $600,000-$700,000
Zak Jones MIDFIELD, $575,000-$675,000
Spending fairly big across all positions and missing the finals is an unenviable middle ground to be, and the Saints need to be clever in the coming years. The Saints spent big to win the race for ex-Docker and Hawk Bradley Hill in what was a hectic 2019 trade period, where they also brought in Dougal Howard and Zak Jones (among others). Those three all featured in the Rich 100, joining dual club champion Jack Steele, Max King – who will surge on this list from next year – Jade Gresham and 2020 free agent signing Brad Crouch. In that sense, St Kilda has spread the wealth across the ground positionally, but still with an understandable midfield emphasis. The Saints enjoyed immediate success after their 2019 trade hit-and-run mission, winning a final the following year. But they are set to miss finals for the second straight year, which led ex-player Leigh Montagna to call for the club to trade some of its more experienced stars in a “reset”. Whether or not St Kilda goes down that path remains to be seen, but more money must be spent to retain first-round draftee Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Gresham, Hunter Clark, Jack Higgins and co.
De Goey listed at $700 to $800K so you'd think if Hill moves on its almost a straight swap $$$'s wise. Possibly some wriggle room to pay $100/$150k of Hills salary if needed without affecting salary cap considerations over the next couple of years.
ST KILDA
Bradley Hill DEFENCE, $850,000-$950,000Jack Steele MIDFIELD, $700,000-$800,000
Dougal Howard DEFENCE, $625,000-$725,000
Jade Gresham MIDFIELD/FORWARD, $625,000-$725,000
Max King FORWARD, $600,000-$700,000
Brad Crouch MIDFIELD, $600,000-$700,000
Zak Jones MIDFIELD, $575,000-$675,000
Spending fairly big across all positions and missing the finals is an unenviable middle ground to be, and the Saints need to be clever in the coming years. The Saints spent big to win the race for ex-Docker and Hawk Bradley Hill in what was a hectic 2019 trade period, where they also brought in Dougal Howard and Zak Jones (among others). Those three all featured in the Rich 100, joining dual club champion Jack Steele, Max King – who will surge on this list from next year – Jade Gresham and 2020 free agent signing Brad Crouch. In that sense, St Kilda has spread the wealth across the ground positionally, but still with an understandable midfield emphasis. The Saints enjoyed immediate success after their 2019 trade hit-and-run mission, winning a final the following year. But they are set to miss finals for the second straight year, which led ex-player Leigh Montagna to call for the club to trade some of its more experienced stars in a “reset”. Whether or not St Kilda goes down that path remains to be seen, but more money must be spent to retain first-round draftee Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Gresham, Hunter Clark, Jack Higgins and co.
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I'd love nothing more than another elite mid on our list.
But reaching for an average mid or a flanker with potential to play midfield isn't the answer either.
At the end of the day the quality needs to be there and there are also other needs on our list.
Also, as much as I wanted a mid last year with our first, we looked to have ended up with one of the best mids in the draft. I reckon if the 2022 draft was done again Windhager would be top 10
gringo2011
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I don't think Battle and Wilkie are too bad. I'd say they are very good. Howard could be better but he's had a poor year and still pretty young. I don't think they are a liability and Coffield was very close to Tom Stewart in marks, incepts and intercept marks in 2020. A smart coach would have had him developing in the role that he starred in. He started 2020 like he was barely holding his spot as well so came flying home.
2020 AFL League Total Intercepts Leaders
2020 AFL League Total Intercepts Leaders.
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2020 AFL League Total Effective Disposals % Leaders
2020 AFL League Total Effective Disposals % Leaders.
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Also third in effective disposal at St Kilda that year behind Steele and Jack Billings.....maybe we might still get Jack back.
Also Jack Bowes was right up there in intercepts. Dew seems to have pushed him out of the side over others. Is he worth a look? Would be a super cheap. I reckon he'd be on a decent contract just because he was there when they had to pay anyone. You could probably get him DFA if you agreed to his wage.
gringo2011
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It's a midfielder heavy draft. The best talls are Cadman, Jefferson and Busslinger. A couple of those guys go in the first 8 picks and we have some very nice players around our pick. I'm going to be disappointed if we end up going past a mid for a tall still. If DeGoey comes I guess that's an off set but defenders are as exciting as buying toilet paper. You need them but meh.
I feel like a different game plan could make us a much less stressed defence and a good mid can come on in a couple of seasons. You probably don't get the best our of a tall for 5 or 6 years and you have to play them to fast track them.
To me we'd be better head hunting a really high-end back like McKay. Get him in straight away not in years. Otherwise get a Cadman or Jefferson in and develop them along side King and get a guy like Phillips in. Cadman is meant to have Jeremey Cameron type of athleticism. It would be a very tempting combo along side King. Both tall and fast with running ability.
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The draft is very even. Trading up would be crazy. The player you want at 6 might be there at 15. The top few players are a step up but I wouldn't trade up for them even, Ashcroft is the best of them but he's not available. McKenzie is a very good chance to be there at our pick.
Coffield could be a gun, but he's no key defender
Wilkie is the pick of our defenders but I think he could even be better next to an elite tall defender
Howard is not very young. He'll be 27 by round one next year. I'm not sure he has a lot of improvement left in him.
Battle was very good this but can he be trusted to play on quality key forwards? Wilkie and Howard almost always took them.
We have an ok backline. I think under Enright we showed huge improvement but I'm not sold it's premiership material in terms of personal.
Form everything I've read 3-11 is very even so not the year to trade up unless you can get to pick 2 and that would just cost too much
I'm also not getting too hung up over McKenzie because he's a local kid. I think there are plenty of players around the mark we could take.
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