VFL 2022 VFL R8 v Footscray (SAT MAY 14 2.05pm @ AIA CENTRE) [Stream: AFL app & https://www.afl.com.au/vfl/matches/4224]

[well left]

He can’t play tall…he hasn’t proven anything at AFL level.

So you want Ruscoe in who doesn’t play tall either? Or McMahon?


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[Gone Critical]

That is the one thing to remember with the 2020 draft class - yes our 5 top 30 picks look questionable at the moment but most of that years class is struggling. Not surprising given their COVID struggles
McDonsld at the swans, Phillips at Norff, the 3 Essendon top 10 picks, Jamara etc etc - none of them are setting the world on fire

Not sure thats really true. The top 10 picks are playing easily the most as always happens compared to the rest. Cox and Perkins have been great, played almost every game since they started. 6 of the top 10 are big guys so expect to take longer but all have played a bit apart from Reid who has been injured. I think our 5 picks from the 2020 are going well overall. Our kids have played

Henry - Developing nicely, confidence an issue but I like he comes back stronger after going back to the VFL
Macrae - Looks okayish, not sure if he is the goods but has time
McInness - Showed a bit, also missed a bit of footy so plenty of time left, good chance to make it
Poulter - Shown a bit and a good chance to make it
McMahon - Development pick so too early to tell

Anyone expecting much more as a baseline I think has too high expectations. Its always been the case if we could get 3 players out of this group that would be a great result and 2 would be acceptable. Certainly tracking that way. Throw in the later picks of MCreery and Ginnivan who look good and overall we are looking good for a good pick up from the 2020 draft.

Just did a little exercise comparing picks 17-31 (15 picks in total) in the 2019 draft to the 2020 draft, our kids

Average games per player 2019 10 games, 2020 7.8 games
Players who have debuted 2019 14 of 15, 2020 9 of 15
Players who have played 10 games of more 2019 6 players, 2020 7 players

Our kids 4 of 5 have debuted (this number also is good because we were 2nd bottom in 2021), 3 of 5 have >10 games.

So despite covid the class of 2020 picks 17-31 is already clearly advanced on the same kids from 2019 despite the covid situation and overall our kids are outperforming in this cohort on games played. 2020 have already almost played as many games on average despite 1 less season less in the system and already have more kids >10 games despite the 1 less year.

 

[legendstatus]

So you want Ruscoe in who doesn’t play tall either? Or McMahon?


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Just let Macca & Begg keep developing in the 2’s, needs another 5-6 kgs. Ruscoe maybe another crack, Chugg why not our mids are cooked so worth a go, Murphy just not quick enough in all aspects of the game, Reef might as well play him if you’re giving guys like the Browns & Bianco a go, at least he is a bigger body and super quick and last of all, play Cox, a guy near 7 ft is going to demand attention and we may even get a tap out.

Let’s roll with this until we get some soldiers back over the next 4-5 weeks, we need to bottom out anyway if we are going to come back in the next few years!


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[Apex36]

How the hell did we do that with such low possession tallies? Last I saw only Jetta had over 20 touches!

A more even spread, which is what’s been happening in the AFL too. Heaps of players in the 15-25 range rather than a few 25-35 guys and then the rest sub 20.

 

[Apex36]

Not really. Maybe when Reef provides as much at VFL level as Tyler Brown you might be able to make that case. Was expecting more from Reef today.

I wasn’t. Stuck in the forward line all day and hadn’t played for nearly 3 weeks. Maybe if he got put on the ball for the whole game you might have a point, but as it stands that comparison isn’t really fair on the kid.

 

[well left]

Just let Macca & Begg keep developing in the 2’s, needs another 5-6 kgs. Ruscoe maybe another crack, Chugg why not our mids are cooked so worth a go, Murphy just not quick enough in all aspects of the game, Reef might as well play him if you’re giving guys like the Browns & Bianco a go, at least he is a bigger body and super quick and last of all, play Cox, a guy near 7 ft is going to demand attention and we may even get a tap out.

I agree on McMahon and Begg.

I was responding to the call that Murphy doesn’t play tall and highlighting we don’t have a lot of options.

I think Murphy has to come in. Ruscoe hasn’t shown he can play tall at all for mine and McMahon needs time. Murphy at least looks developed enough to play back.

Never thought I would say it but we need Cox back in also.


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[Tarkyn_24]

Very good and insightful post, you don’t get that much around here with people mainly regurgitating other peoples thoughts.

That’s a good post with some real nice insight! Rare to see that here with everyone just copying each other’s thinking.

 

[Harry O]

Not sure thats really true. The top 10 picks are playing easily the most as always happens compared to the rest. Cox and Perkins have been great, played almost every game since they started. 6 of the top 10 are big guys so expect to take longer but all have played a bit apart from Reid who has been injured. I think our 5 picks from the 2020 are going well overall. Our kids have played

Henry - Developing nicely, confidence an issue but I like he comes back stronger after going back to the VFL
Macrae - Looks okayish, not sure if he is the goods but has time
McInness - Showed a bit, also missed a bit of footy so plenty of time left, good chance to make it
Poulter - Shown a bit and a good chance to make it
McMahon - Development pick so too early to tell

Anyone expecting much more as a baseline I think has too high expectations. Its always been the case if we could get 3 players out of this group that would be a great result and 2 would be acceptable. Certainly tracking that way. Throw in the later picks of MCreery and Ginnivan who look good and overall we are looking good for a good pick up from the 2020 draft.

Just did a little exercise comparing picks 17-31 (15 picks in total) in the 2019 draft to the 2020 draft, our kids

Average games per player 2019 10 games, 2020 7.8 games
Players who have debuted 2019 14 of 15, 2020 9 of 15
Players who have played 10 games of more 2019 6 players, 2020 7 players

Our kids 4 of 5 have debuted (this number also is good because we were 2nd bottom in 2021), 3 of 5 have >10 games.

So despite covid the class of 2020 picks 17-31 is already clearly advanced on the same kids from 2019 despite the covid situation and overall our kids are outperforming in this cohort on games played. 2020 have already almost played as many games on average despite 1 less season less in the system and already have more kids >10 games despite the 1 less year.

Cox and Perkins have gone backwards this year. Still should be ok but just saying what is happening

 

[Kirby]

How the hell did we do that with such low possession tallies? Last I saw only Jetta had over 20 touches!

They are often under stated on game day and I assume someone watches the replay and they are adjusted, usually upwards.

Check the stats again in another day or two.

 

[Gone Critical]

Cox and Perkins have gone backwards this year. Still should be ok but just saying what is happening

Perkins up in disposals and kicking more goals in 22 so dont see him as going backwards. Main point is people expect too much from kids early. Ours are tracking fine and I dont think there is much evidence at all that covid has slowed their development. If anything our kids from 2020 are well ahead of what anyone should have reasonably expected.

 

[Jen2310]

Updated from the AFL/VFL website.


Jetta had 22 dis. 4 tackles. 10 marks
Murphy 20 dis. 10 marks
Bianco - 19 dis. 5 tackles. 2 clearances. 9 marks
Cox - 19 dis. 2 tackles. 6 Clearances. 7 marks. 47 hitouts
Lane - 18 dis. 3 tackles. 2 clearances. 7 marks
Tardew - 18 dis. 2 goals. 9 tackles. 5 clearances
Chugg - 17 dis. 2 tackles. 5 clearances. 4 marks
Murley - 17 dis. 1 goal. 3 clearances
Ruscoe - 17 dis. 7 marks
Wellings - 17 dis. 1 goal. 9 tackles. 4 clearances
McMahon - 16 dis. 7 marks
Eggmolesse-Smith - 15 dis. 9 marks
Fowler - 15 dis. 2 goals. 4 tackles
Hustwaite - 15 dis. 5 tackles. 5 clearances
Glover - 13 dis. 5 marks
McDonnell - 13 dis. 6 marks
Booth - 11 dis. 3 goals. 3 tackles
McInnes - 10 dis. 7 tackles.
Wetering - 10 dis. 5 marks
Mulvogue - 8 dis. 1 goal. 4 tackles.
Raines - 8 Dis. 3 goals
Schreiber - 7 dis
Hartley - 5 dis. 4 tackles

 

[well left]

Updated from the AFL/VFL website.


Jetta had 22 dis. 4 tackles. 10 marks
Murphy 20 dis. 10 marks
Bianco - 19 dis. 5 tackles. 2 clearances. 9 marks
Cox - 19 dis. 2 tackles. 6 Clearances. 7 marks. 47 hitouts
Lane - 18 dis. 3 tackles. 2 clearances. 7 marks
Tardew - 18 dis. 2 goals. 9 tackles. 5 clearances
Chugg - 17 dis. 2 tackles. 5 clearances. 4 marks
Murley - 17 dis. 1 goal. 3 clearances
Ruscoe - 17 dis. 7 marks
Wellings - 17 dis. 1 goal. 9 tackles. 4 clrarances
McMahon - 16 dis. 7 marks
Eggmolesse-Smith - 15 dis. 9 marks
Fowler - 15 dis. 2 goals. 4 tackles
Hustwaite - 15 dis. 5 tackles. 5 clearances
Glover - 13 dis. 5 marks
McDonnell - 13 dis. 6 marks
Booth - 11 dis. 3 goals. 3 tackles
McInnes - 10 dis. 7 tackles.
Wetering - 10 dis. 5 marks
Mulvogue - 8 dis. 1 goal. 4 tackles.
Raines - 8 Dis. 3 goals
Schreiber - 7 dis
Hartley - 5 dis. 4 tackles

Those numbers are ok for Chugg. Seems like it might be worth persisting with him in the middle for the time being?


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[Jen2310]

Those numbers are ok for Chugg. Seems like it might be worth persisting with him in the middle for the time being?


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Yeah, its his best game as a mid so far. And I like him in the middle. Then he drifted down to half back when reef was in the middle.
Definitely something to persist with tbh.

 

[magpies42]

So you want Ruscoe in who doesn’t play tall either? Or McMahon?


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Definitely not Ruscoe! I’d give McMahon a crack or even Begg down back. Anybody that can contest and just bring the ball to ground!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I only saw the percentage boosting last quarter goal blitz. Obviously not many AFL listed players out there, only eight I think. From what I saw…..

Cox dominated ruck. He is quite happy to switch hands too ( or sometimes both hands). which adds flexibility at the ruck contest. He also punched the ball out of the contest rather than tap… an unpredictable ruckman is a good ruckman. Maybe this is an underrated skill but some ruckmen always go up with the same arm every time. Needs to come into the senior side. Begg not ready and will develop best in the VFL.

Chugg was very creative.

Murphy I did not see much… ball never came down to his end of the ground. Q4

Ruscoe very creative.

Bianco was in everything and took some nice intercept marks at half back

McInnes quiet

Murley snapped a great goal. Looks like a prospect. Hopefully we are starting to build a good list of smalls !

McMahon looked great. Albeit he had a pretty easy job as the midfield was dominating. Nice kick.

Of the rest, it’s an excellent VFL list …. But wouldn’t it be great if Neville Jetta

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Neville Jetta

Age

34

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

141.3

2star

D

7.0

1star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.3

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

1.5

2star

MG

64.0

1star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.8

4star

was on our senior list. Great leader and he’d easily be best 22. Hoping he has a long successful coach8ng career at Collingwood

 

[Jelly Bean]

Just let Macca & Begg keep developing in the 2’s,

We are going to start needing to be more specific when using the nickname 'Macca'... McMahon, McInness, Macrae, McRae, McCreery... There are a few Maccas out there.

 

[stormskye]

Perkins up in disposals and kicking more goals in 22 so dont see him as going backwards. Main point is people expect too much from kids early. Ours are tracking fine and I dont think there is much evidence at all that covid has slowed their development. If anything our kids from 2020 are well ahead of what anyone should have reasonably expected.

That’s always the issue with high draft picks. They usually end up at bottom clubs (f/s and academy aside) so the expectations on them to develop are greater as supporters want a quick fix. They take years. Petracca was fairly mediocre for the first few years, wasn’t until maybe 2020 that he started becoming a star.

 

[sr36]

Not sure thats really true. The top 10 picks are playing easily the most as always happens compared to the rest. Cox and Perkins have been great, played almost every game since they started. 6 of the top 10 are big guys so expect to take longer but all have played a bit apart from Reid who has been injured. I think our 5 picks from the 2020 are going well overall. Our kids have played

Henry - Developing nicely, confidence an issue but I like he comes back stronger after going back to the VFL
Macrae - Looks okayish, not sure if he is the goods but has time
McInness - Showed a bit, also missed a bit of footy so plenty of time left, good chance to make it
Poulter - Shown a bit and a good chance to make it
McMahon - Development pick so too early to tell

Anyone expecting much more as a baseline I think has too high expectations. Its always been the case if we could get 3 players out of this group that would be a great result and 2 would be acceptable. Certainly tracking that way. Throw in the later picks of MCreery and Ginnivan who look good and overall we are looking good for a good pick up from the 2020 draft.

Just did a little exercise comparing picks 17-31 (15 picks in total) in the 2019 draft to the 2020 draft, our kids

Average games per player 2019 10 games, 2020 7.8 games
Players who have debuted 2019 14 of 15, 2020 9 of 15
Players who have played 10 games of more 2019 6 players, 2020 7 players

Our kids 4 of 5 have debuted (this number also is good because we were 2nd bottom in 2021), 3 of 5 have >10 games.

So despite covid the class of 2020 picks 17-31 is already clearly advanced on the same kids from 2019 despite the covid situation and overall our kids are outperforming in this cohort on games played. 2020 have already almost played as many games on average despite 1 less season less in the system and already have more kids >10 games despite the 1 less year.

Yeah, it looks like we drafted well.

Henry, Macrae, Reef, Poulter, McMahon, Mcreery and Ginnivan

I think we should get a 50% hit rate, which will be a very high rate from those picks.

 

[Gone Critical]

That’s always the issue with high draft picks. They usually end up at bottom clubs (f/s and academy aside) so the expectations on them to develop are greater as supporters want a quick fix. They take years. Petracca was fairly mediocre for the first few years, wasn’t until maybe 2020 that he started becoming a star.

Its also part of the reason the top 10 play more games in their 1st season and can explain the McDonalds and Jamaras getting less games than they would in a bottom team.

Still the top 10 picks dominate career wise when it come to games played, individual awards won etc. No 1 pick has a cleary dominant position as the historical best pick, 1-10 stand out by a long way, 10 -20 still clearly better than the picks that follow. However in games played the difference after pick 20 starts to become much less obvious. Its why its difficult to do a good rebuild without good access to the top 10 and then 20 picks. Thats our biggest cause for concern.

It makes sense to me also. Sports ability usually is a pyramid. The pointy end is rarefied air where few have the ability to get to, whereas further down there are more places and not the marked differences.

Years ago David Parkin came to my clubs training one night. We were playing A grade ammos at the time so a good standard. He was very open with his opinions. One thing he asked and then answered was whats the difference between a VFL (I am going back) and the best players in the ammos or top country or metro teams. He said nothing, nothing except they want it more. He said forget the stars of the game, they are just better than everyone full stop, but the average VFL player can't kick, mark, run better or have better skills, they just want it more.

The very best are predictable to a degree young which is why top 10 picks are gold. Its also why difference in picks gets much less down the list. Hine et al have to really outperform to get the list up given the lack of good quality picks from the last 7 drafts. 2020 signs that they have done that look good to me early.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

We need McMahon to be a player. Looks promising for a shut down defender.

 

[stormskye]

Its also part of the reason the top 10 play more games in their 1st season and can explain the McDonalds and Jamaras getting less games than they would in a bottom team.

Still the top 10 picks dominate career wise when it come to games played, individual awards won etc. No 1 pick has a cleary dominant position as the historical best pick, 1-10 stand out by a long way, 10 -20 still clearly better than the picks that follow. However in games played the difference after pick 20 starts to become much less obvious. Its why its difficult to do a good rebuild without good access to the top 10 and then 20 picks. Thats our biggest cause for concern.

It makes sense to me also. Sports ability usually is a pyramid. The pointy end is rarefied air where few have the ability to get to, whereas further down there are more places and not the marked differences.

Years ago David Parkin came to my clubs training one night. We were playing A grade ammos at the time so a good standard. He was very open with his opinions. One thing he asked and then answered was whats the difference between a VFL (I am going back) and the best players in the ammos or top country or metro teams. He said nothing, nothing except they want it more. He said forget the stars of the game, they are just better than everyone full stop, but the average VFL player can't kick, mark, run better or have better skills, they just want it more.

The very best are predictable to a degree young which is why top 10 picks are gold. Its also why difference in picks gets much less down the list. Hine et al have to really outperform to get the list up given the lack of good quality picks from the last 7 drafts. 2020 signs that they have done that look good to me early.

Agree. We’ve found some cream, but we need a few cherries!

 

[Mollythedolly]

I wasn’t. Stuck in the forward line all day and hadn’t played for nearly 3 weeks. Maybe if he got put on the ball for the whole game you might have a point, but as it stands that comparison isn’t really fair on the kid.

Disagree. Had midfield rotations and can still have an impact as a forward. Wasn’t holding his mark, wasn’t keeping his feet, didn’t impact the scoreboard.

I agree, but it wasn’t my comparison, I was just responding to it.

 

[Mollythedolly]

That was Chuggy's best game as a midfielder. He's growing. With a body like that, and pace he has; it'll certainly help if he can grow into this.

Also 5 clearances too.

It was very much a team performance though. We have got some good depth with our vfl players now. A lot of them have played together for a few years now that its starting to show.

Chuggy had a good game. I was disappointed with his ball use by foot. Needs to work on that.

 

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[JOELY]

Those numbers are ok for Chugg. Seems like it might be worth persisting with him in the middle for the time being?


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Probably, his ball use is too shaky bringing it out from defence. It's the thing that's going to hold him back from making a career. Even as a mid he has good breakaway pace but when he gets in space the kicking control is not there