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That scenes goes through my head a lot more often than it should when observing/hearing about events in the world.
"It's in your nature to destroy yourselves"
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That scenes goes through my head a lot more often than it should when observing/hearing about events in the world.
"It's in your nature to destroy yourselves"
Yes, but the losing party always has to look at why they got it wrong to course correct about how they win the next time, which the Dems did in the US and labor did here.
LNP learnt nothing from 2018 in Vic.
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Ok enough politics ... time to start praying that no bunch of pricks pick Anthony Munkara before pick 41. Let him integrate well into the big smoke and play with Walla.
Unless labor do something diabolically bad and LNP become disciplined with an actual coherent message, no chance.
Even if they do the above I don’t think they’d be able to swing it so far in 2026 they actually win back power.
For 20+ years it was the opposite though.
Don't underestimate the significant impact that the country's shifting demographic is having. The Liberal Party nationwide have done very little to entice anyone below 45 to vote for them, and will struggle now for a very long time.
Race baiting doesn't work any more like it did 20 years ago - people born after 1980 had a different education to those born in 1960.
Climate change is real and is a core vote changer for many now, whereas prior it was a fringe issue. People can claim "city elite greenies" all they want, but realistically it's a core vote issue in a lot of seats.
it is. And if they go down the path we see for them to be an electable government, there will be immediate backlash from the conservative media for the Labor-lite policy.
Or watch them twist and contort and justify at Federal level a conservative religious policy, and then in the next segment, a centre-right position for Victoria.
Interesting that every pollster overestimated support for the Greens with predictions of 12-14% primary vote. (At this point 10.89%).
Greens seem perpetually discussed as a major future force, but their primary vote has barely changed since 2002 (9.73%).
Yes they have 4 lower house seats, but I suspect that's due to demographic changes- more youth and renters in the inner suburbs. These days, there's sufficient numbers of their base living in the same spot that they can win a few- retaining Melbourne, Brunswick and Prahran, and adding Richmond.
Other than those 4, they'll lose Northcote by a whisker. They could potentially add Northcote next election.
There's also been talk about how they competed in many seats. But the numbers demonstrate they only ran close in Pascoe Vale and Footscray due to Liberal preferences. Which shouldn't be repeated next time.
Greens seem perpetually discussed as a major future force, but their primary vote has barely changed since 2002 (9.73%).
Yes they have 4 lower house seats, but I suspect that's due to demographic changes- more youth and renters in the inner suburbs. These days, there's sufficient numbers of their base living in the same spot that they can win a few- retaining Melbourne, Brunswick and Prahran, and adding Richmond.
Other than those 4, they'll lose Northcote by a whisker. They could potentially add Northcote next election.
There's also been talk about how they competed in many seats. But the numbers demonstrate they only ran close in Pascoe Vale and Footscray due to Liberal preferences. Which shouldn't be repeated next time.
Bingo, that will also help hold labor to account so they can’t spend and do what they like with impunity.
At the moment LNP are just seen as cooker weirdos by most of the electorate.
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If pessuto wins and becomes leader, we labor voters in hawthorn can switch to teal next time LOL
That’s how Kennett stayed in for 2 terms. Even though he is a campaigner and I don’t like a lot of what he did, he did do things like get events to Melbourne etc. Victorian’s like that kind of thing.
Next election the Liberals will have to counter;
- Footscray hospital will be brand new and finished in 2025
- Metro tunnel will be brand new and open in 2025
- Level crossings will be ongoing - not sure when they finish
- Suburban rail loop may have turned soil
- Melbourne airport rail will have turned soil
- There will be an election in late 2026.
- liberals will still be kooks
They’re trying the same shit in Arizona now with Kari lake, citing her social media followers as proof election was rigged.
These people are a parody of themselves.
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So, labor lite? Why would voters swap a proven version for an unproven one
Dan does some left wing stuff, but doesn’t telegraph it a long way out then implements as quick as possible. Small target in power
Ask some random boomer in the street - they'll be sure to know
They will just fall down some other rabbit hole then for the types that tend to be prone to brainwashing
At the end of the day, there will always be a portion of people like this. Lock down gave nutters of different variety a shared beef to come together with a shared nutter conspiracy narrative. I think they will go different ways of different roads of nutterville but of more varied narratives. I think in time the religious nutters will go one way and the conspiracy nutter hobbyists will just be hobbiests like they used to be. America is a different kettle of fish and who knows what the nutjobs will do there.
When the Australian public was not interested in Communism and the union movement flirted with communism the Labor party was unelectable for decades.
Right now, the liberal party are unelectable.
The difference is, the communist working class in the 1950s and 1960s were powerless. The cookers who are making the libs unelectable are given a platform by the biggest media company in Australia. The other thing is that we're politically connected to the US where this crap flies. Trump will never win another general election, but the fascist movement that propelled him to power will still control around 30% of the voting public.
What I expect to see in Australia is the transition from Boomers to Millenials, Gen X being here the whole time.
Turnbull, Birmingham, the Teals and the Labor party will be a socially progressive, environmentally "conscious" conservative movement. The Greens will head a coalition of lefties and be the least left of them.
The cookers in the Liberal party will continue to drag it further to the right and people like Turnbull and Birmingham will leave it. This will leave the libs in coalition with Nationals, UAP and one-nation. I actually expect the Nationals to leave that coalition and be a genuinely independent country party.
Make no mistake. The Libs are dead. It might take people 10 years to realise, but they are gone. You might say they're cooked.
I waited for 11 trains at Carnegie crossing once (Dandenong line, Packenham Line, VLine to Sale & Traralgon). It took about 45 minutes.
There is not one person on earth who misses that level crossing.
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With Melbourne getting 3 million more people projected over the next 30-40 years, I’m sure the infrastructure will be invaluable.
How often is infrastructure like rail and freeways built in Melbourne for people to see them as white elephants?
