2022 Victorian State Election-November 26

[nobbyiscool]

So.

Your 14 year old daughter tells their school counsellor/wellbeing coordinator they're now identifying as a boy.

Madison will now be called Marcus.

Funnily enough, several of your child's friends also do likewise.

"Marcus" is now referred as such by all "his" teachers. Marcus asks the school wellbeing coordinator for a referral to a psychiatrist.

You tell your daughter you think she needs to question this transition, and that you believe continuing to identify as a girl is more appropriate for her. You tell her that you don't think she should see a psychiatrist. She should wait and see how she feels in 12 months.

Now, the law does not stipulate that "identity" has to be medically diagnosed.

What is your status, as a parent, under Victorian law?

You are a hysterical moron.

That's all I have to say about that.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Really?

Well that might be why several existing parties in the parliament support it. As I said....


Yep.

Hence my question- why vote on one issue, when you have no idea whether the party would do stuff suitable to you in literally everything else, and you have several other options of parties with broad ranging platforms?

Say what you will about Legalise Cannabis at least you know exactly what they stand for. Not like they'll get in and then claim it was a "non-core" policy will they?

 

[Nikita Blue]

 

[peetoo]

They say most of the gender counselling in schools is at the request of parents.

 

[1990crow]

I know Engineers/Project managers originally from Victoria who choose not to work in Victoria . There are unsavory elements.

Aresholes galore in Victoria.

 

[mellowyellow]

FMD! Kari Lake needs an advocate in her corner too

 

[Crankyhawk]

What Sky News policies did they take to the election?

Liberal's main policies were:

• Spend lots of money on health
• $2 public transport fares
• Free lunches for school kids

Those are all centrist policies. Arguably they sound more like Labor than Liberal policy.

They also promised 50% emissions reduction by 2030 (less than Federal Labor's target of 43%) although it wasn't clear how they would achieve this.

Liberal also said nothing about various left policies:

• Parents should be jailed for talking to their own kids about gender transition. Liberal said nothing about this ridiculous anti-family policy which most Victorians would reject. And centrist/centre left and libertarian minor parties already rejected in parliament (Sustainable Australia, Hinch Justice Party, Lib Dems).

• Cutting spending (Victoria's expenditure has grown 10% a year since 2014, other states average 6%). Liberal said nothing about this- they merely said they would examine the debt and attempt to set a debt cap once they had examined the accounts more closely. And they said they'd cut 7 taxes and bring the budget to surplus one year earlier - 2024/25. But as far as I'm aware, Liberal didn't actually commit to cutting any expenditure whatsoever, other than switching Suburban Rail Loop funds into health.

This is why Sky News presenters have been criticizing them hard since Saturday- Bolt, Panahi wanted them to be more conservative.

In what world are “lib dems” centre/ centre left. Bernie Finn left lnp as not conservative enough so then joined ldp

 

[Crankyhawk]

So.

Your 14 year old daughter tells their school counsellor/wellbeing coordinator they're now identifying as a boy.

Madison will now be called Marcus.

Funnily enough, several of your child's friends also do likewise.

"Marcus" is now referred as such by all "his" teachers. Marcus asks the school wellbeing coordinator for a referral to a psychiatrist.

You tell your daughter you think she needs to question this transition, and that you believe continuing to identify as a girl is more appropriate for her. You tell her that you don't think she should see a psychiatrist. She should wait and see how she feels in 12 months.

Now, the law does not stipulate that "identity" has to be medically diagnosed.

What is your status, as a parent, under Victorian law?

The way around it is don’t come to the attention of the cops and it doesn’t matter what Victorian “law” says

 

[Brad Goodman]

Liberals need to stop pre selecting morons for their seats.

But there’d be nobody left to run?

 

[morningbrown]

It's vague. Which is exactly why the Law Institute of Victoria criticized it.


What is "this care"?

There is no consensus amongst psychiatrists about how to treat gender dysphoria. There's minimal long term data on post-transition outcomes, especially after the explosion of cases over the last decade which have reversed the long term trend of male-to-female. Now it's two thirds female-to-male.

The bill is written in such a way that standard psychiatric exploratory treatment could potentially be caught in the net of "practices" which "suppress" gender identity. Which is why the Royal Australian and NZ College of Psychiatrists criticized the bill.

Being trans isn't having gender dysphoria. Trans people can suffer from gender dysphoria. Get the terms right before you spout this bullshit.

So.

Your 14 year old daughter tells their school counsellor/wellbeing coordinator they're now identifying as a boy.

Madison will now be called Marcus.

Funnily enough, several of your child's friends also do likewise.

"Marcus" is now referred as such by all "his" teachers. Marcus asks the school wellbeing coordinator for a referral to a psychiatrist.

You tell your daughter you think she needs to question this transition, and that you believe continuing to identify as a girl is more appropriate for her. You tell her that you don't think she should see a psychiatrist. She should wait and see how she feels in 12 months.

Now, the law does not stipulate that "identity" has to be medically diagnosed.

What is your status, as a parent, under Victorian law?

Denying your kid access to mental health help? What a piece of shit you must be.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Being trans isn't having gender dysphoria. Trans people can suffer from gender dysphoria. Get the terms right before you spout this bullshit.



Denying your kid access to mental health help? What a piece of s**t you must be.

Yes probably should have left it at “parent think Marcus is too young to make any decision” because psychiatrist is also unlikely to push/ advocate for early transition.

This is college of psychiatry position it seems to be taking a need more evidence of what is best practice for treatment and doesn’t seem to be a push towards transition; so seeing a psychiatrist is likely to help get the outcome the “parent” wants (non transition while adolescent)

The role of psychiatrists in working with Trans and Gender Diverse people | RANZCP

This statement outlines the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists (RANZCP) position in working with Trans and Gender Diverse (TGD) people in Australia and New Zealand and the role of psychiatrists in responding to their mental health needs.

www.ranzcp.org

 

[Gralin]

Yes probably should have left it at “parent think Marcus is too young to make any decision” because psychiatrist is also unlikely to push/ advocate for early transition.

This is college of psychiatry position it seems to be taking a need more evidence of what is best practice for treatment and doesn’t seem to be a push towards transition; so seeing a psychiatrist is likely to help get the outcome the “parent” wants (non transition while adolescent)

The role of psychiatrists in working with Trans and Gender Diverse people | RANZCP

This statement outlines the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists (RANZCP) position in working with Trans and Gender Diverse (TGD) people in Australia and New Zealand and the role of psychiatrists in responding to their mental health needs.

www.ranzcp.org

There is a lot of having it both ways in that policy release but




What people are getting up in arms about is medical care that focuses on gender affirmative care, which means if the kid asks to be called by a different name and pronouns you do it while exploring with them why they feel that way.

It doesn't mean surgery of toddlers or any of the bullshit being claimed leading up to and during the election. That stuff was all funding by US and European Anti Trans Money groups anyway.

If you look at the actual guidelines in Vic until the kids reach puberty gender affirmative care is letting the kid dress and act the way they want and have the name and pronouns they want.

When puberty is reached if they have been through the program all they can do is have blockers which delay puberty, that's it.

HRT is generally not until 15 or 16 and you can't just walk in and get it, and surgery can't happen prior to 18

The whole thing that people like PJays is pushing is straight up bullshit lies

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

5 votes diff in Pakky 17956 ALP Vs 17961 Lib.

Expect it to go to Libs as the road resurfacing started too late to election day

It might swing back in 26.
All those level crossings will be gone by then

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This applies to both parties, Labor in the form of buying voters with an ever ballooning public service and infrastructure projects that will saddle future tax payers for who know how long.

That's just dopey and completely undermines the credibility of the point you're trying to make.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What sort of parties do they have at trades hall?

1. Why does Dan Andrews' mate have that much Crisco?
2. I thought Dan didn't get on the beers.
3. You know a party has gone too far when someone's in a neck brace.

That is an amazing photo.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I did think the assertion that joints were safer than darts seemed thin.

Smoking Marijuana Is More Likely To Cause Emphysema Than Cigarettes, Study Suggests

Marijuana use among young adults reached an all-time high in 2021.

www.forbes.com

 

[PJays]

There is a lot of having it both ways in that policy release but

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What people are getting up in arms about is medical care that focuses on gender affirmative care, which means if the kid asks to be called by a different name and pronouns you do it while exploring with them why they feel that way.

It doesn't mean surgery of toddlers or any of the bullshit being claimed leading up to and during the election. That stuff was all funding by US and European Anti Trans Money groups anyway.

If you look at the actual guidelines in Vic until the kids reach puberty gender affirmative care is letting the kid dress and act the way they want and have the name and pronouns they want.

When puberty is reached if they have been through the program all they can do is have blockers which delay puberty, that's it.

HRT is generally not until 15 or 16 and you can't just walk in and get it, and surgery can't happen prior to 18

The whole thing that people like PJays is pushing is straight up bullshit lies

Nice selective quoting there.

A more balanced quote would've included the sentence immediately preceding the part you quoted:

evidence and professional opinion is divided as to whether an affirmative approach should be taken in relation to treatment of transgender children or whether other approaches are more appropriate.[24]

And later...

Research on Gender Dysphoria is still emerging. At present, there is a paucity of quality evidence on the outcomes of those presenting with Gender Dysphoria. In particular, there is a need for better evidence in relation to outcomes for children and young people.[20]

In other words, there's minimal evidence and considerable professional debate. No consensus.

They promote exploratory treatment:

Psychiatric assessment and treatment should be both based on available evidence and allow for full exploration of the person’s gender identity.[20]

This is why, when the legislation was released, they said, amongst other criticisms:

The RANZCP Victorian Branch remains concerned that the broad wording of the proposed legislation may not protect the work of clinicians engaged in evidence-based practice to support the mental health needs of the LGBTIQ+ community. This can include exploratory work that empowers people to explore and challenge their own concepts of self, others and sexuality, and ultimately serves to affirm a clearer sense of self.

The college's Victorian branch chair was more blunt in the media:

[The bill] is too much of a blanket statement on what constitutes a conversion practice versus exploratory therapies.....“There will be people who stop doing the valuable work they are doing over fears it will be considered conversion therapy. The unintended consequence is that it will make people more and more reticent to support people who really need our help.”

I guess the chair of Victoria's peak body of psychiatrists is peddling straight up lies, too?

The Victorian government is pushing AFFIRM AFFIRM AFFIRM, and in the process they have banned practices that will prevent psychiatrists, psychologists and psychotherapists from treating vulnerable youth in what is a very complex, developing field of medicine. In their ideological haste, they failed to listen to the feedback and many young people may suffer as a result. An example of a government acting in service of their ideology rather than public interest.

 

[Hojuman]

I kinda agree. Don’t think dope smoking should be legal.

Don't mind the legality Kaka being a user many moons ago in my youth, it's moreso some people should just not touch the stuff because they can't handle it.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I kinda agree. Don’t think dope smoking should be legal.

I haven’t smoked a joint in a decade. But if the kids were away, I had nothing on the next day, and my bed was nearby I’d not hesitate to accept one if offered. Then whack on some Floyd.

But I still think it should remain unlawful. In the sense that it is at the moment.

 

[troybe]

Another cooker who hates democracy. If I didn’t win, then the election must be fixed.

 

[Evolved1]

What sort of parties do they have at trades hall?

1. Why does Dan Andrews' mate have that much Crisco?
2. I thought Dan didn't get on the beers.
3. You know a party has gone too far when someone's in a neck brace.

Is that Pete Evans in the neck brace?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Can't beleive that poc Somyurek got the last seat in Metro North.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Can't beleive that poc Somyurek got the last seat in Metro North.

Only 62% counted according to ABC. Is there an update??

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Only 62% counted according to ABC. Is there an update??

Well hope it doesn't continue on this trend then.

 

[PJays]

Can't beleive that poc Somyurek got the last seat in Metro North.

Farewell Fiona

Started as a special interest group for the sex industry.

Renamed it, thought she had gained widespread appeal but, in reality, only ever got in due to preferences. Never even achieved 4% of the vote.

Her signature legislation was allowing prostitutes to work almost anywhere, anytime and without needing STD checks.

At the same time, workers from all kinds of industries were locked out cos they weren't vaccinated against covid. (I got vaxxed myself for the record).

So Fiona thinks everyone must be vaxxed against covid because "health and safety" but HIV positive sex work is all good.

Long past time Fiona was given the big wave goodbye from the electorate