Resource 2023 AFL Draft Discussion...

[Danger in Texas]

We’d have to have a crack at Curtin if he slid

Genuine gun

The class and decision making , overhead marking , mobility and size of him and Dawson would be mouth watering

Yeah you’d have to make a huge play at that GWS pick, if he ever transitioned into a top line mid/wing we’d be laughing. The defensive ceiling is top shelf as well, of course

 

[spenze]

Would Melbourne do 10&20 for 5? Drop 5 spots and gain another late first rounder essentially for nothing!

I'd be annoyed with the Crows if they had five and swapped top that

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Ppl quickly forget how good McAuliffe is and has been throughout his junior career. Super strong, never dies wondering, in the trenches, goes from the first bounce to the last. He'll likely make a captain one day. He might not look classy or pretty with the way he goes about it but he is a good footballer and has a powerful leg. Makes the ball travel through the air quickly. If not for his injuries he'd be in first round conversations.

Clubs are smart enough to know whether he’s a 1st rounder despite injury

So be interesting to see where he falls

I think in the mid 30s or so but only takes one club

 

[rabidcrow]

Would Melbourne do 10&20 for 5? Drop 5 spots and gain another late first rounder essentially for nothing!

Melbourne fave up 14,27,35 to get 11. I doubt they would be interested in getting not much to drop 5 spots


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[Jeffcrowe]

Yeah I'd much rather this option than going for O'Sullivan

Sheesh I’d be happy with either but especially Curtin

 

[crows dude]

I agree, but if I come in hot on an opposition board generally it is met with instant resistance so here’s the kicker:

WCE OUT: 37,58,F1
ADEL OUT: 10,14,20,F1.

Would you still do the deal? I acknowledge need high end talent but we also need a lot of youth. If Crows are happy with this deal I would do it. There’s definitely two camps on our board, one that is a hard no on trading F1 and one that is keen to trade into this draft and sliding next year.

No way

Lose four first round players and gain one.

Even if west Coast come bottom next Season.

Make it

WCE OUT Pick 1 37 58 F1
ADE Out Pick 10 14 20 and F1

 

[Crow till I die]

No way

Lose four first round players and gain one.

Even if west Coast come bottom next Season.

Make it

WCE OUT Pick 1 37 58 F1
ADE Out Pick 10 14 20 and F1

The deal that should be used as a bench mark was ours with Carlton. If WCE see a player at 10 they really want or 14 they really want, then we trade that pick and do a swap of 24' 1sts. Don't forget we finished outside the top 8, WCE had a horror run with injuries and will have Reid and a few others in their team and could move away from the bottom if they have a good run.

 

[119others]

Fu¢k no.

The alternative is to wait until the end of next year, and we use the 2024 picks and 2025 F1 to put us in the best position to take Welsh and have a pick before him for a mid.

You guys might be 14th, we might be 10th. Hell, you might be better than us. That's a crazy trade to make.

Yes absolutely. Four first-rounders in total (none premium quality this year admittedly) and the unknown outcomes of both teams next years F1 is what JR would call “walk away price”

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

West Coast is very happy to take Tongala goal kicker Reid at pick one, leaving speedy playmaker Colby McKercher and outside midfielder Zane Duursma for North.


Hawthorn likes small forward Nick Watson and Western Bulldogs are eyeing gun midfielder Ryley Sanders, leaving star goal kicker Nate Caddy for Melbourne.

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Highly-touted Western Australian key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to GWS Giants, although the Giants are well-stocked for key defenders, prompting clubs to eye a potential pick swap with GWS.

Geelong also likes 193cm Caddy, who can play forward and through the midfield, although he would have to slide to their chance after the Giants.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.

Surely North, who now definitively have the worst key defensive stocks in the league (their best in this area is probably Logue, who is out with an ACL anyway), and who already have a solid batch of talented young midfielders - LDU, Wardlaw, Simpkin, Thomas, Powell and Phillips (once he finds some more consistency) - wouldn't then go and select another two midfielders in this draft, right? Surely there's no chance they pass on Curtin.

 

[Crows I Am]

Fu¢k no.

The alternative is to wait until the end of next year, and we use the 2024 picks and 2025 F1 to put us in the best position to take Welsh and have a pick before him for a mid.

You guys might be 14th, we might be 10th. Hell, you might be better than us. That's a crazy trade to make.

No chance Eagles end up above us on the ladder. They are almost a lock for the spoon again, or at best 2nd to last if they can secure a couple of lucky wins. We will be around the edge of the 8 again next year.

 

[George Kramer]

No chance Eagles end up above us on the ladder. They are almost a lock for the spoon again, or at best 2nd to last if they can secure a couple of lucky wins. We will be around the edge of the 8 again next year.

I can’t see another team finishing bottom next year, West Coast are a lock. North will improve.

West Coast will also want to maximise their chance to get afl assistance and fast track their rebuild with 2 no 1 draft picks.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They'd laugh us out of the room

The assumption being made is Clubs with single digit Draft positions are happy to move back .....strange thoughts, given most experts say the top 7-8 are as good as any year ....then there's a drop-off

So why would a Club voluntarily miss out on the Draft cream ?

Now ...GEEL might do #8 for #10 and #20 ....that's if their target has been snapped up .....but would we entertain that deal ?

You can forget #14 & #20 for #8 ....not happening

 

[Amacca 23]

I can’t see another team finishing bottom next year, West Coast are a lock. North will improve.

West Coast will also want to maximise their chance to get afl assistance and fast track their rebuild with 2 no 1 draft picks.

West coast will take that if they get north concessions in next years draft ?

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[George Kramer]

West coast will take that if they get north concessions in next years draft ?

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AFL will have to, 2 wooden spoons and 3 years near the bottom. They will be making a lot of noise and the afl won’t want to be seen as favouring north

 

[Amacca 23]

AFL will have to, 2 wooden spoons and 3 years near the bottom. They will be making a lot of noise and the afl won’t want to be seen as favouring north

Exactly so they take reid unless north give 2,3 and 15 they would be stupid to do otherwise and gun mids in next years draft ?

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[119others]

The assumption being made is Clubs with single digit Draft positions are happy to move back .....strange thoughts, given most experts say the top 7-8 are as good as any year ....then there's a drop-off

So why would a Club voluntarily miss out on the Draft cream ?

Now ...GEEL might do #8 for #10 and #20 ....that's if their target has been snapped up .....but would we entertain that deal ?

You can forget #14 & #20 for #8 ....not happening

not sure if that’s right mate. From this morning Hun I posted earlier


Recruiters are convinced there are 8-10 excellent prospects in this year’s draft, but the talent drops off in the double-digit range.

But generally clubs are not keen to slide back in the draft order as the bulk of the top talent is inside 10.

 

[Pugsley]

We have a developing ruck, sadly he’s in our starting 22

More like cooked.

 

[DJ75]

I think there are 3 options for our picks.
1. Trade up for a top 5-6 pick. Gives us a good shot at an elite mid. Seems highly unlikely though as can't see anyone desperately wanting to trade down..
2. Trade up for a specific target. Would be done on draft night if the player we desperately want is still sitting there in picks 6-9. Unlikely, but not impossible.
3. Keep and use our picks as they are. Might include trading a pick out (20) for a future pick. Seems most likely.

 

[kick it to me_]

Interesting that Reid said the other day that Thilthorpe was not a ruck, but was a forward ruck, putting that commentary to bed.

Clearly, the intention is for ROB to ruck for at least another 3 years, he could probably go until his mid 30s to be honest, that's a possible 5-7 years. He's super fit, get's his body right for each week better than most, and has been durable so far.

There's not many here who think that a ruck is overly important to winning a GF - likely the club thinks ROB is good enough.

Reid made the point that we have had 4 rucks on our list before, and it just doesn't work, you can only ruck one at a time. He also said (or alluded) that we could always pick one up mid season if neccessary.

My thoughts are we are not getting a ruck this year, and that ROB will be ruck for the crows for a while yet...

Edit: this was on the Sensible Crow pod

Quality podcast that one

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[Crow till I die]

I think there are 3 options for our picks.
1. Trade up for a top 5-6 pick. Gives us a good shot at an elite mid. Seems highly unlikely though as can't see anyone desperately wanting to trade down..
2. Trade up for a specific target. Would be done on draft night if the player we desperately want is still sitting there in picks 6-9. Unlikely, but not impossible.
3. Keep and use our picks as they are. Might include trading a pick out (20) for a future pick. Seems most likely.

Roll through the teams

WCE - pick 1. Without pick 2, there is no possible path to trade with them with what they would want
North -pick 2. Unless it involved pick 1, they are not trading that pick
North - pick 3. MAYBE they might trade this but the cost?...
Hawthorn - pick 4. They simply are not trading that pick
Bulldogs - pick 5. They sold the farm pickwise to get that pick, they are NOT trading it
Melbourne - pick 6. Considering they have been trying to move UP the draft board, they are not trading it down.
GWS - pick 7. MAYBE this is the pick we should be targeting if we are really after a player but what it would cost???
Geelong - pick 8. Said they are open to trading it. Could 10 & 14 get 7 and maybe 25 or a future pick????
Essendon - pick 9. No point trading for this pick unless on the night the player we want is still there and Essendon are open to trading as the guy they wanted is off the board?

 

[Bay62]

West coast will take that if they get north concessions in next years draft ?

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North have already traded out next year’s first round concessions - haven’t they?

Despite the fact that the AFL said they’d review whether to give them those picks if their form improved significantly over the course of next year.

I guess they’re not doing that now

 

[119others]

Quality podcast that one

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I listened to the Sensible Crow Podcast for the first time the other day and was genuinely impressed on all levels:

• the hosts knowledge, pacing, guest interaction and overall delivery which isnt always easy (I used to host an hour radio show per week on local radio a few years ago and its not hard to bugger things up)
• but also the guest specializing in draftees focussing on Crows needs and likely candidates around our range
• then having JR speak for a decent time and being as open as he possibly can be (which clearly is limited)

Why in the hell would anyone criticise this Podcast and poster? Gets better access to the club that almost anyone else here and its produced well with lots of work going into it for our benefit. Well done Feenix

 

[WeeBlake]

Roll through the teams

WCE - pick 1. Without pick 2, there is no possible path to trade with them with what they would want
North -pick 2. Unless it involved pick 1, they are not trading that pick
North - pick 3. MAYBE they might trade this but the cost?...
Hawthorn - pick 4. They simply are not trading that pick
Bulldogs - pick 5. They sold the farm pickwise to get that pick, they are NOT trading it
Melbourne - pick 6. Considering they have been trying to move UP the draft board, they are not trading it down.
GWS - pick 7. MAYBE this is the pick we should be targeting if we are really after a player but what it would cost???
Geelong - pick 8. Said they are open to trading it. Could 10 & 14 get 7 and maybe 25 or a future pick????
Essendon - pick 9. No point trading for this pick unless on the night the player we want is still there and Essendon are open to trading as the guy they wanted is off the board?

Agree, looks unlikely we can get into O’Sullivan territory, let alone McKercher

 

[119others]

Roll through the teams

WCE - pick 1. Without pick 2, there is no possible path to trade with them with what they would want
North -pick 2. Unless it involved pick 1, they are not trading that pick
North - pick 3. MAYBE they might trade this but the cost?...
Hawthorn - pick 4. They simply are not trading that pick
Bulldogs - pick 5. They sold the farm pickwise to get that pick, they are NOT trading it
Melbourne - pick 6. Considering they have been trying to move UP the draft board, they are not trading it down.
GWS - pick 7. MAYBE this is the pick we should be targeting if we are really after a player but what it would cost???
Geelong - pick 8. Said they are open to trading it. Could 10 & 14 get 7 and maybe 25 or a future pick????
Essendon - pick 9. No point trading for this pick unless on the night the player we want is still there and Essendon are open to trading as the guy they wanted is off the board?

thats almost the exact analysis I posted to Bicks the other day. Pick 8, and possibly 7, are seemingly the only options and we still miss out on the elite mids unless Sanders is deemed in that category AND he falls that far

 

[Crow till I die]

thats almost the exact analysis I posted to Bicks the other day. Pick 8, and possibly 7, are seemingly the only options and we still miss out on the absolute mid unless Sanders is deemed in that category and he falls that far

Id be very open to trading with Geelong with 10 & 14 for 8 & 25. We are in need of that ideal player. Geelong need more 1st rounders to pick talent as they are thin on the ground with young talent..that sort of trade on paper should work really well