Game Day 2023 AFL DRAFT

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The pick matching system is broken on purpose to ensure the clubs with priority access never miss out on their player. This ensures the club gets the advantage the system is supposed to bring, including the benefits associated with shuffling picks back.

Any attempt to make it harder for these clubs to access their local players will have the effect of strengthening Victoria. Either because Victorian clubs will draft the interstate talent, or because the non-Vic teams will not have bonus picks associated with trading down for points, thus giving Victorian teams a greater portion of picks

This means any attempt to correct the system must be accompanied with something to weaken the advantages to Victorian clubs

The issue is that at this stage there is no practical difference for where the bid is made. If a bid comes in at pick #10 there is no appreciable difference than the bid coming in at pick #20.

I agree that the clubs should get priority access to the players, and I'm fully supportive of the clubs getting a discount, and systems that allow them to use future points to match the bids. But there should be a meaningful difference between an early bid and a late bid. At the moment there isn't.

 

[MRB37]

The issue is not the academies themselves, or the clubs having access to them. It's only reasonable that clubs like Gold Coast should get access to some "home-grown" talent (even if the net is pretty damn wide) that might actually choose to stick around instead of leaving.

The issue is that the pick matching system is broken. First of all, the pick values are completely out of whack - this could easily be fixed if the AFL had any appetite to do so. But more importantly, the idea that multiple picks are worth the sum of their values is nonsensical. List spaces are a commodity themselves, so it doesn't make sense to say that five crappy picks are worth one good pick. Hell, Ugle-Hagan was matched at pick #1 by giving six picks in the 30s and 40s, but no list manager in their right mind would make that trade because there are only so many spots on the list. You don't want to fill them with six list-cloggers when you could have one elite talent and then still fill the other five with other picks anyway.

The AFL should do something along the lines of saying that when you match with picks, the first pick is worth 100% of its value, the next pick is worth (say) 66% of its value, then the next 33%, and then nothing. That way you need to match bids with picks that are at least close to where the bid came in. A bid comes in at #3 and you don't have sufficient picks to match it? Better do some live trading. You have four players in the first round that get bids and can't possibly trade in enough to match them all? Tough luck. Choose carefully which ones you want to match.

Or, if the AFL really wanted to ensure that clubs had the ability to match bids, then get the point values right, and subtract the leftover points from the best pick next year. A bid comes in worth 2400 points and you only have 1500 points worth of picks? Then next year your first pick is going backwards 900 points, whatever that ends up working out to.

I don't even mind the AFL applying a discount for matching bids - 10% or 20%, fine - as long as the bids are then meaningful. Right now, the difference between matching a bid at #1, and a bid at #20, is a couple of picks out in the 40s.

I always thought the original rule was you could only have as many picks as list positions you had free, which would stop clubs just stockpiling a whole bunch of late picks to package up for a really high pick, but that seemed to be done away with at some point, probably at the behest of the expansion clubs. Like Gold Coast went into the draft with 24, 26, 27, 32, 36, 38, so they had 6 picks for 4 list spots. Then before the draft started they traded 27 for 40, 42, 24 for 30, 50, 56 and 65, and 38 for 46, 60 and 63. So they had 4 list spots and went into the draft with picks 26, 30, 32, 36, 40, 42, 46, 50, 56, 60, 63 and 65.

So not even a single top 25 pick which then gets turned into picks 3, 9, 14 and 26. The value is just so massively lop-sided.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I find it strange how Gaelic football hasn't gone professional.
It's literally hurting their sport as the good ones are being plucked by AFL.

Australia has more than 5 times the population of Ireland.

 

[Sir Ronald Mac]

I’ve heard Leake Wilson Edwards and Goad were all on our list

Most likely preference order was Leake Edwards Wilson Goad Ryan from what I’ve heard so we’d be pretty happy to be able to get Edwards

You don't take Goad over Edwards. Edwards was a must with Curtin.

 

[Golumless]

I find it strange how Gaelic football hasn't gone professional.
It's literally hurting their sport as the good ones are being plucked by AFL.

It's most likely a tradition thing seeing GAA sports (both hurling/football) played a role in Irleands independence. Keeping it away from teams being owned by anyone other than the counties etc.

 

[1990crow]

Australia has more than 5 times the population of Ireland.

Soccer is pro in Australia but probably has 5x less support than AFL

 

[Scorpus]

The issue is that at this stage there is no practical difference for where the bid is made. If a bid comes in at pick #10 there is no appreciable difference than the bid coming in at pick #20.

I agree that the clubs should get priority access to the players, and I'm fully supportive of the clubs getting a discount, and systems that allow them to use future points to match the bids. But there should be a meaningful difference between an early bid and a late bid. At the moment there isn't.

Again I think this is on purpose with an eye to giving the northern teams a leg up.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Soccer is pro in Australia but probably has 5x less support than AFL

Salary cap is $2.5m with a squad of 20 to 26. You do the maths…

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Funny that. Biggest winners all Victorian.

Yeah, it's just a coincidence... not!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Equalisation is a third tier objective for the AFL

AFL want their image to be equalisation, whilst really being the VFL.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What if clubs had to pay with premiership points instead of draft picks?

 

[dogs105]

Soccer is pro in Australia but probably has 5x less support than AFL

Soccer is pro in Ireland too

 

[Gtowncrow]

The AFL needs to change the trade rules to closer align with the NRL rules..

NRL players can request trades all the way up to August.

The AFL dont need to go that far, and I believe the NRL are taking steps to reduce this, but the AFL should atleast allow player movement all the way up to the start of the season.

Its just ridiculous that you have a trade week before the draft but then cant make changes after the draft.

The crows would probably allow Himmelburg to go to GWS right now given they got Curtin..

Many clubs now knowing what players they have drafted in would probably want the opportunity to make trades to re-adjust their lists.

This ridiculously rigid one and a half week trade period is just dumb.. atleast have two trade period. One before the draft and one after.

You make a great point here.

With the draft requiring some luck to actually land the players you want, having the trade period follow the draft allows clubs to trade for needs better.

...like you said

 

[rabidcrow]

With the concessions, its looking like the back half of this decade will have North and GC right up near the top competing for the premierships. I think we are doing things right and could join them as our list is looking in very good shape and we know we will be trying to improve it with trade ins. It would be a hard pill to swallow if we ended up assembling one of our best ever squads without any assistance and not win a flag due to the other 2 sides having even more top end talent via concessions. It would be very bad timing for us.

Not just without any assistance. We have actively been screwed over along the way. What do we most need to complete our squad?
An A grade mid
Noah Anderson should be on our list and completed our build. But he isn’t because of over the top draft assistance to GC
So now we have to struggle to find an equivalent


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[Mostyn]

I think part of the challenge is we're trying to solve two different problems with one solution.

We want to attract more footballers from non-traditional backgrounds, and we want the northern teams to retain players.

For me - the AFL and private school system should take over the Academies.

The Northern teams can take one player from their state's academy per round.

No pick discounts for any selection, no Academy selections in the first 11 picks, you must use at least one pick to match that is within 11 picks of where the player is selected.

All free agent compensation is at picks 12, 20 and 40, depending on the overall size of the contract.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I thought it appropriate to make comment on the coverage of the 2023/4 Draft

If it wasn't for the vision of players reactions, I would never watch the Foxtel Coverage again .....Sheehan & Ablett, offer zero intel, just sugary rubbish

Then we get these comments from Ablett :

ADEL - traded up to get their man

BUT

ESS - the genius of dedoro in trading magnificently to get Caddy .....FFS they sold the farm to move 1 spot ....hardly genius

Anyway, next year, I'm sticking with AFL.com, who gave a great coverage ......they're 2 minutes in front of Foxtel, so I can revert to FoxFooty for the player reactions 2min afterwards

 

[Vader]

I thought it appropriate to make comment on the coverage of the 2023/4 Draft

If it wasn't for the vision of players reactions, I would never watch the Foxtel Coverage again .....Sheehan & Ablett, offer zero intel, just sugary rubbish

Then we get these comments from Ablett :

ADEL - traded up to get their man

BUT

ESS - the genius of dedoro in trading magnificently to get Caddy .....FFS they sold the farm to move 1 spot ....hardly genius

Anyway, next year, I'm sticking with AFL.com, who gave a great coverage ......they're 2 minutes in front of Foxtel, so I can revert to FoxFooty for the player reactions 2min afterwards

I was PMSL when they were fapping over Dodoro's brilliance. Yep, the same Dodoro who built an Essendon list that hasn't won a final in 20+ years. That's list management genius, right there...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I was PMSL when they were fapping over Dodoro's brilliance. Yep, the same Dodoro who built an Essendon list that hasn't won a final in 20+ years. That's list management genius, right there...

 

[Bay62]

Clarifying please: who did we get with the Doedee pick - Edwards?

Thanks

 

[Danger in Texas]

Clarifying please: who did we get with the Doedee pick - Edwards?

Thanks

Ryan

 

[FR0GGY]

I think part of the challenge is we're trying to solve two different problems with one solution.

We want to attract more footballers from non-traditional backgrounds, and we want the northern teams to retain players.

For me - the AFL and private school system should take over the Academies.

The Northern teams can take one player from their state's academy per round.

No pick discounts for any selection, no Academy selections in the first 11 picks, you must use at least one pick to match that is within 11 picks of where the player is selected.

All free agent compensation is at picks 12, 20 and 40, depending on the overall size of the contract.

It’s time for a southern academy, after all the northern academy was established due to low numbers being drafted from those states.
How many from SA were drafted this year?
We need help!

 

[Crow till I die]

Look at DODO's reaction when they called out the crows picked Curtin...priceless

 

[Tadpole]

Look at DODO's reaction when they called out the crows picked Curtin...priceless

Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

 

[Crow till I die]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

I watched the whole thing and his whole demeanour was terrible - arrogant, aggressive and smarmy

The sort of guy that if he can get a one up on you no matter how small, he'd rub it in

 

[WeeBlake]

I think part of the challenge is we're trying to solve two different problems with one solution.

We want to attract more footballers from non-traditional backgrounds, and we want the northern teams to retain players.

For me - the AFL and private school system should take over the Academies.

The Northern teams can take one player from their state's academy per round.

No pick discounts for any selection, no Academy selections in the first 11 picks, you must use at least one pick to match that is within 11 picks of where the player is selected.

All free agent compensation is at picks 12, 20 and 40, depending on the overall size of the contract.

Not bad, except the private school part, what’s that about?